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xlightscreen wrote:If they make female space marines I demand Male Men of battle XD

Too late. Those are called the Inquisitorial storm troopers. Who no longer exist :(

Grey Templar wrote:


it's not a BS reason why there can't be Female space marines.

Females and Males are different on a genetic level, so it isn't hard to belive that a genetic process for male specimens wouldn't work for females.

Sorry, but it is BS.

We do transgender organ transplants today, because what is important is the cell surface antigens, which are not sexually differentiated.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:


it's not a BS reason why there can't be Female space marines.

Females and Males are different on a genetic level, so it isn't hard to belive that a genetic process for male specimens wouldn't work for females.

Sorry, but it is BS.

We do transgender organ transplants today, because what is important is the cell surface antigens, which are not sexually differentiated.

Thanks for the support Kilkrazy. I was a little hesitant to call BS, but there really isn't any other word for it.

The selection for all female space marines is more plausible, as genetically, all vertebrates begin life as female, and it is the introduction of a key hormone during embryonic development usually that will change a sex chromosome to be male.

If that is true then when making Marines that make sure every one of them get the extra chromosome at the right hormonal stage. Any born female are killed on site and deleted from records.

Genetics > Fluff

Of course its BS, the fluff writers aren't even biologists, nevermind geneticists.

As long as they don't sexify them, I say go for it. After all, the science behind why Marines are male is shaky, and that's putting it mildly.

I say no. Not because I dislike women in the war zone or anything. Not even because of the fluff.

I just like hearing a Space Marine say 'battle brothers.'

I always thought that Female SM's are Battle Sisters.

EDIT: Sisters of Battle

discotzeentch wrote:I always thought that Female SM's are Battle Sisters.

EDIT: Sisters of Battle

Nope, Sisters are human, not Astartes.

TheLinguist wrote:I say no. Not because I dislike women in the war zone or anything. Not even because of the fluff.

I just like hearing a Space Marine say 'battle brothers.'

My Space Marines don't talk to me...

Lord Scythican wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:


it's not a BS reason why there can't be Female space marines.

Females and Males are different on a genetic level, so it isn't hard to belive that a genetic process for male specimens wouldn't work for females.

Sorry, but it is BS.

We do transgender organ transplants today, because what is important is the cell surface antigens, which are not sexually differentiated.

Thanks for the support Kilkrazy. I was a little hesitant to call BS, but there really isn't any other word for it.

The selection for all female space marines is more plausible, as genetically, all vertebrates begin life as female, and it is the introduction of a key hormone during embryonic development usually that will change a sex chromosome to be male.

If that is true then when making Marines that make sure every one of them get the extra chromosome at the right hormonal stage. Any born female are killed on site and deleted from records.

Genetics > Fluff

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not the best on SM Fluff but I thought SM Chapters recruited from worlds and took prepubescent males? Around the 10-14yr old age? Its after that point that start playing with the genetics and what not?

Though anyone capable of creating crazy crap like geneseed would just as easily be able to make it work for females or hell make super strong teacup poodles if they really wanted...

Yes to female Guardsmen
No to female SM

I'm in the against category with the sub-group of "Sisters are female Space Marines". For all intents and purposes, sisters are female space marines. Now can't we all just get along?

Give them the same statline and equivilent access to wargear and vehicles and i'd agree

Since this is not so...They're not.

Why do so many people not want this? Just let your crotch decide, and it will say YES!!!

Who cares about your precious fluff, prove to me that the noble gamers of DakkaDakka aren't all losers who care more about the story of a fictional world than women!

if THATS your reason then just spend time on 4chan and don't bring it into the game itself.


there are little kids who play this game you know.

Grey Templar wrote:if THATS your reason then just spend time on 4chan and don't bring it into the game itself.


there are little kids who play this game you know.

As Billy Joel said, "you might be right, and I may be crazy." You make a good point, cousin.

Oh and Brother SRM, I know you're supposed to capitalize the first letter in quotations, but I'm not a Grammar Nazi, so please don't come down on me about, rofl. I'm bad...

At present I am against female SM because the fluff does not really support it. However if GW were to retcon it and allow female SM I wouldn't really care. Overall I think it would be a bad business move for them to do so, however, and they should instead focus on making the new Sisters as good as possible instead. This is just one SM player's opinion, though, so take it with a grain of salt.

What if there was a really powerful female psyker, wouldn't the SM recruit her? I mean the model itself wouldn't be that different, all she would have is a different head and maybe(maybe) a slightly bulging breastplate(if she were in power armor). Also sisters of battle are orphaned girls who spend their entire lives training.

a powerful female psyker would be turned over to the Black Ships to be taken to Terra.


a male psyker with potential would be taken for recruitment, but only if he met the physical requirements for a Space Marine. otherwise, it's the Black Ships or he gets put down.

PraetorDave wrote:For all intents and purposes, sisters are female space marines.

Quite the opposite, I'd be far less interested in Sisters if they were merely space marines. Their humanity is what I like about them, and Astartes lack humanity.

yes, but they fill the PA female void that some people seem to have.

Not really, they fill the high save low toughness void (that is to say, humans in power armor). People just make the (wrong, given how many other factions use it) assumption that power armor means marines.

I have a hard time telling who's being serious and who's just being goofy.

This thread is serious business

Yes, the discussion to rip apart an entire section of fluff for a fetish is clearly serious.

When a single sentence becomes a whole section of fluff, let me know

(and yes i know that a single sentence can be a section, just a tiny tiny section.. point stands though )


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Also- doesn't exactly stop others, even 'official' sources from doing so with every release, does it

Not going to scroll through the pages to read everything, but one thing real quick.

SOB are, IMO, way cooler than "Fem Space Marines". I'm not against female space marines, but I think it would detract from the uniqueness of SOB.

Course, I am thinking in terms of Codices, I guess.

INTRODUCING FEMALE SPACE MARINE CODEX.

I wouldn't consider all the space marine codexes as one sentence. (Although I guess that depends on how you implement it. If razor-"we always had those"-back style, then yeah, a lot to rewrite.)

NO.

The "fluff" is the backstory and I personally hate large revisions (even though I am a Necron player). The story is that the astartes are genetically engineered sons of their primarch. Battle brothers. The primarchs refer to each other as brothers not siblings.

Should there be a Heck of a lot more female models? YES. For guard it should be 50:50. But having femarines does not = gender awareness or a lack of mysogyny. Desiring femarines does not make anyone more compassionate toward women or intelligent.

Also someone called the geneseed only affecting males B.S. because of the issue of surface antigens with gender reassignment surgeries. I will have to respectfully disagree with that, the geneseed is functioning on a genetic level and not a histologic level. Certain human steroid hormones (which ignore cell membranes as I am sure you recall) affect male and female genes differently. THe article I recall about that dealt with DNA telomerases, but I am sure there are other examples.

just saying . . .