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and Grey Knights have always been 100% uncorruptable.

but 99.991% of Matt wards fluff is naff, I dont hate the guy though, just the way GW is encouraging the fluff to go.

I honestly think if he had done this a bit differently it would have turned out much better and actually interesting

Just throwing this out there, but having fought for weeks to a standstill the tyranid force crashes into the necron force and seeing the fighting going among the two, the blood angels press the advantage to wipe them both out

Or the necrons prioritise the tyranids as bigger threats and subsequently get too damaged after they are destroyed and phase out

not exactly Grade A writing, but i think it would be better than them teaming up and leaving each other behind...

I just dont get it, why does he get them to walk away ? Necrons don't do that and Blood Angels definitely wouldnt

Formosa wrote:and Grey Knights have always been 100% uncorruptable.

but 99.991% of Matt wards fluff is naff, I dont hate the guy though, just the way GW is encouraging the fluff to go.

They might be 100% uncorruptable, but they still have to slaughter sisters in order to stay that way it seems....

Sorry, that bit of fluff is the first I have read that truely drive me nuts.

Is this the Kevin Bacon game? See how many steps it takes to turn any thread into a rant about the new GK fluff?

That picture is so wicked.

Asuron wrote:
I just dont get it, why does he get them to walk away ? Necrons don't do that and Blood Angels definitely wouldnt

Neither side is strong enough to guarantee victory, so they withdraw. The Blood Angels don't want to lose more Astartes for no benefit, and the Necrons may have had limited resources and repair facilities. Or the Necrons chose security over possibly taking out the Blood Angel force, which could have rendered them vulnerable to other threats.

NWansbutter wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:That's just dumb.

I should elaborate. It's dumb because it was NECRONS ... anyone else, I could possibly see it; they would stop fighting the Blood Angels to ensure their own survival in the face of the ravenous, insatiable hunger of the tyrannid swarm. But Necrons? There is no reason Necrons would not turn around to then take the souls of the Blood Angels as well unless, perhaps, the 'nids made them phase out but that's not what I'm hearing. And even then, the Necrons are fearless, soullness, basically indestructible robots (they don't actually die, they get teleported away, right?) so why would they stop fighting the BA just because some bugs showed up?

From a tactical stand point Necrons want life energy, and tyranids have far more bodies in play than blood angels, and they tend to be easier to kill than blood angels, and its really all just souls to the nightbringer anyways. So the necrons (being lving computers and all) would choose target priority for the larger grouping of souls. As to why they would then retreat after the fall of the tyranids, simple,
PHASE OUT.
Necrons automatically retreat when they take sufficient casualties, so logically if tey had suffered enough casualties (as the fluff says they did, the two armies were "far too depleted in numbers to continue fighting") they woudl logically then withdraw, which they did. It's just told from the point of view of the BA so when it says thngs about honor and comradery people take them to mean the necrons now have that all of a sudden. hence why people freak out. in truth its more of a same place same time situaqtion than anything resembling a true "alliance"

I figured the alliance was only told from the BA side. I never viewed the Necrons as "computers", they were once people and at least the lords maintain their sense of self and thinking. Maybe the Necron Lord felt the same way about the BA, maybe he'd been eliminated and the rest of the Necrons had no orders to attack the BA, maybe he was just low on resources and saw a chance to regroup.

I was once setting up a sequence of battles involving 3 players and writing some cheap fluff linking the games to give some atmosphere and set up battlefield scenarios. One required that I come up with a reason that the Necrons and Sisters of Battle allied! Now there's a trick!

Having eliminated the Eldar between them, Necron and Sister forces were maneuvering for a new phase of battle. Rapid fire gauss and bolter fire was imminent. Destruction on both sides was inevitable. Spying the Sister’s Canoness in a foxhole, Lord Kolbar of Tomb Breyan took a bold step, literally. Using his teleportation veil, the step instantly took him across the battlefield to the Canoness’ side. “Shall we talk about our common enemy?”
Canoness Dolra was actually taken aback. The Necrons had all stopped advancing, and their lord was alone at her side with a dark offer. His unliving, alien presence was an affront to her beliefs and oaths. Yet she needed revenge for her fallen sisters, and that revenge required Eldar blood. The Eldar still had a sizeable contingent on the planet. They were likely preparing for a hasty departure. Allies? Would the Necrons serve any better? More sisters would surely die fighting the Necrons here and now while the Eldar escaped. Dolra realized she had stopped breathing. She used the pent up breath to breathe a word. A word that made her shudder. “Yes”.

Reading the Grey Knight codex this past week, I was thinking, now there is an evil army!

dbsamurai wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:That's just dumb.

I should elaborate. It's dumb because it was NECRONS ... anyone else, I could possibly see it; they would stop fighting the Blood Angels to ensure their own survival in the face of the ravenous, insatiable hunger of the tyrannid swarm. But Necrons? There is no reason Necrons would not turn around to then take the souls of the Blood Angels as well unless, perhaps, the 'nids made them phase out but that's not what I'm hearing. And even then, the Necrons are fearless, soullness, basically indestructible robots (they don't actually die, they get teleported away, right?) so why would they stop fighting the BA just because some bugs showed up?

From a tactical stand point Necrons want life energy, and tyranids have far more bodies in play than blood angels, and they tend to be easier to kill than blood angels, and its really all just souls to the nightbringer anyways. So the necrons (being lving computers and all) would choose target priority for the larger grouping of souls. As to why they would then retreat after the fall of the tyranids, simple,
PHASE OUT.
Necrons automatically retreat when they take sufficient casualties, so logically if tey had suffered enough casualties (as the fluff says they did, the two armies were "far too depleted in numbers to continue fighting") they woudl logically then withdraw, which they did. It's just told from the point of view of the BA so when it says thngs about honor and comradery people take them to mean the necrons now have that all of a sudden. hence why people freak out. in truth its more of a same place same time situaqtion than anything resembling a true "alliance"

Necrons want souls Nids don't have souls. Only the will of the hivemind. This fluff makes no sense.

I assumed it wasn't an "alliance" with communication and co-ordination and agreements and all that. It's just that when a Hive fleet shows up, suddenly there's bugs everywhere, so the two factions were so busy fighting off bugs they couldn't fight each other, thus each too drained of resources to get back to the origional war after they were finished wiping out the bugs. On a macro-scale or a war it makes sense. In a micro-scale of a single battlefield it doesn't. Nowhere does the story indicate any sense of necron honor, and maybe the Blood Angels like to believe they stopped because of honor rather than because of exhaustion (Marines always win, remember). Save face to themselves or something.

FlammingGaunt wrote:
Necrons want souls Nids don't have souls. Only the will of the hivemind. This fluff makes no sense.

I thought the C'tan would life energy, rather than souls. It makes no sense for the C'tan to desire souls when they have no way of manipulating it without using ridiculously advanced technology which would not have been available to them when they first appeared to the Necrontyr, so they wouldn't have gotten addicted to souls but merely life (and what it tastes like). Which the Tyranids could easily oblige with (assuming they still taste nice - and even if they don't, the Necrons would be unlikely to tell the difference).

FlammingGaunt wrote:Necrons want souls Nids don't have souls. Only the will of the hivemind. This fluff makes no sense.

Nids have life. Same dif souls, life. the first C'tan fed off a star, thats how the necrontyr found it anyways. then they were tricked into giving up their free will to become mindless zombie robots. So all the C'tan care about is energy, which all living organisms have in abundance. Multiply that by the rediculous amount of bodies nids bring to the field and you can see why the necrons would chose "feast" over "fast food"

I concur with the sentiments above. Blood angels are worse than fething samurai in regards to their damn honor so they'd never admit they retreated in the face of an enemy force, only that they "let em go see? cuz dey izznt worf da teef ta crump der 'eads". Man it's amazing how much BA have in common with orcs..

I thought they just fed on souls, my bad been awhile since I've read the necron codex. But I'm pretty sure that this would never happen EVER!

Has anyone even thought of the fact that 'nids will alter course to avoid necrons becasue there is no biomass. Even if they were fight say, the guard. They wouldn't even try and touch them. There is not enough gained.

Goddammit people, Ward might kill some fluff, but at least read the stuff in the codex's concerned.

I think that an Inquisitor ought to hear about this and declare Dante a Heretic for not destroying the Necrons.

Alliances of convenience are nothing unusual in 40k fluff. REAL problem with this is the suggestion that Blood Angels felt some sort of sympathy towards the Necrons (it is really arguable whether Imperium views Necrons as 'lesser evil' than Tyranids, as opposed to Tau or Eldar which are obviously that).

If it had simply said that BA were so worn out after the battle that Dante saw no point trying to defeat Necrons too, so he withdrew - then there would have been no complaints

Blood Angels have no sympathy to their enamies like any space marine dude! Even though Dante decided not to fight the Necrons beacuse his companys were weakend and tired it does not explain the fact why the Silent King and his souless army did not finnish the Blood Angles off beacuse Necrons dont give a little gak about their enamys they wonet death and only death.

both sides had taken massive casualities, both in wailing on each other and in beating off the nids.

neither wanted to be permantly incapacitated with continuing the fight.

I feel that that peice of fluff Ward created has too many flaws, none of whichc can be properly explained.
1) Dante trying to outwit a Necron Lord who can manipulate space and time and somehow coming on par. What? This is ludicrous - you're trying to best someone who can change just about any aspect of reality and somehow you're ON PAR with this?!
2) The nids showing up. Urm here's the problem - Nids HATE Necron worlds and as such avoid them due to the Necrons being psychic nulls. So why are they there in the first place?
3) Both generals in my opinion made a fatal mistake of staying in the fight. The Imperials should of bailed not from cowardice but from strategic ideals. Think about it - you're fighting an enemy and another enemy of yours turns up and tries to start a 2-way fight. My plan? Leave them to it and defeat the winner - whichever comes out tops will be too weak to fight back. Same applies for Necrons - if they let the Imperials fight the Nids then they can repair their armies and machines and emerge when the fight is over.

It wasn't an alliance as far as I understand it.

It was an act of convenience for both parties.

After the battle the Astartes chose to avoid further conflict as a matter of misplaced 'honor' against a foe that has no concept of such things. The Necrons didn't resume the battle presumably to conserve their forces to fight another day.

It seems to fly in the face of Necron modus operandi and common sense for the Astartes, but oh well...

Regardless of this last bit of Heresey, i stand by the Emperors will. "Suffer not the alien to live, and death to the heretic!"

Brother Xorus wrote:Regardless of this last bit of Heresey, i stand by the Emperors will. "Suffer not the alien to live, and death to the heretic!"

But technically they aren'y alien, but are ,machines

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Brother Xorus wrote:Regardless of this last bit of Heresey, i stand by the Emperors will. "Suffer not the alien to live, and death to the heretic!"

But technically they aren'y alien, but are ,machines

Indeed, but they are Machines created of a Alien technology. And i mean the C'Tan, even as they are "Gods"

Isn't it obvious what this means?
Blood angels and Necrons fight each other, does not mean they are right next to each other as it's a whole planet there fighting on.

Between the stronghold of the Necrons and Blood angels there comes a great big horde of Tyrannids that try to take the planet and fight both army's as they consume all life (except with necrons they're already dead)

The fight between the Necrons and Blood angels previously left them under strength for the fight of Tyrannids.

We are led to assume that Necrons on one part of the planet fought off the nids and the Blood angels on their half.

Both were to under strength which led them to both leave (Blood angels to regroup and maybe Necrons to bulk up) the planet.

Maybe it's because they knew the nids will come back as there was a great hive ship in orbit.

There is nothing to say that opposing armys even saw each other during the fight with the nids, just that they both retreated because of the nids.

The way i see it, the alliance was accidental, and definately not a way of teaming up these factions.

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