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**Apostle Pat**

thehod wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:Frazzled:

1. A castled up tank wall sitting in a corner with one sitting half off the table (before the new GW FAQ). Template scatters onto the rear tank, lands direct hit. However, where the template landed is off the table though it is on the tank. Steve goes ballistic that it doesn't count as a hit because the it scattered off the table - even though the tank is off the table.

2. A "magical" set of dice that always roll 5+, no one is allowed to inspect or look at closely, and which are legendary in the area. As far north as Orlando, when I go to a tournament and roll well, I can hear "You're not using Steve Turner's special dice are you?"

3. He's banned from the stores in Orlando for cheating - I can't speak for anywhere else. My personal interactions with him have been horrendous - from him maliciously lying to personal threats - he had promised to come up to the Nova Open last year with brass knuckles and some nonsense to beat me up - not something you joke about with friends, let alone something you tell to someone you write evil things about.

Sorry for being off topic but someone has to defend BBF.

@Dash I know about your personal feelings regarding BBF as I do Mahu. Steve is a very polarizing and your opinions are him I will not dispute. But I do have to address the 3 points you made about what Steve has done.

#1: Yes that was a very questionable move something that is WAAC. But the tournament organizer did allow that vehicle to hang slightly off the table. Yes it was Pre-FAQ but the fact remains was the TO made the call that both the tank could be partially out and that the template did not hit. I had that same ruling of tanks slightly out of the board in APOC games with baneblades coming from reserves (even moving at full speed still part of the model hanging out). Your NOVA game with Stelek, you tried to put a battlewagon inside a fully intact castle mount. Questionable yes, but like with the game with Steve, the TO ruled you can. http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/08/dash-vs-stelek-my-take/

#2: Dice cheating issue. That claim is baseless and you know there are people in this game that are just good at luck. When you were playing in Orlando, you played a guy who was notorious for dice whoring. No questions of dice cheating have ever came up because we know he has a way with dice. Steve is known to be a dice whore at times but you can always ask Ben Mohlie how his "magical" dice were working for him this past weekend.

#3: I do not know if he was banned from sci-fi but I do know the reasons for his ban at formerly Rhubarb. I cannot say what they are specifically but I heard first hand from the former manager it was not for cheating. Paladin Games I know for sure has not banned Steve since the former TO and the owner have not mentioned to me who to ban from 40k events. Phoenix games was way after Steve played in the stores. He plays at Coliseum of Comics every so while and I recently was in a team event with him in Dec. From the looks of it, it seems at best only 1 store banned him but not for cheating and sci-fi is unconfirmed.

#3 part 2: I agree with you that your personal interactions with Steve have been to say nicely not the best. The two of you have personalities that conflict with each other. You say he is a malicious liar, that may be true and his credibility is also questionable. Yet you take physical threats seriously? You know he is a liar, so you know he will never harm you physically. Threats coming from a member of the AARP, he will probably break something trying to harm you even before you retaliate. But I do agree that physical threats are not a cool thing to do. It was highly irresponsible of him to write that and I told him he should take it down. But he did write that blog post in a fit of nerd rage and I too have been a victim of my firey tempered passions and wrote some stuff that was ugly but when I came to my senses, I deleted it. But at the same time how many times have you heard people say or you say "Arrrgh I want to kill that guy" out of frustration. You know most of those statements are baseless and you know writing on the internet can sometimes its a perfect example of Poe's Law. You also know things can be misinterpreted like your DE tactica when you said "NO!!” We are killers. If you are a Dark Eldar player, you are a KILLER!" http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357250.page .Your state of mind heading from a few sentences can be misinterpreted into advocating WAAC play or someone to beat up their opponent if they lose. I cannot prove that it can but there are some people who are not of rational mind that have a similar rationale like Mark David Chapman.

I harbor no ill-will towards you but at the same time, you have written a few statements about him that are not true. I am not sure if you are lying or ill-informed but some of the things Steve has done, you too have done. Both of you have people who like you and who dislike you. As to the missing article, please dont blame him for deleting the article when I told him it was not a good idea to write it and better off getting rid of it. I know you will never reconcile with Steve and I know he wont do the same.

While you make some good points and defend your friend the simple point is he has a horrid reputation not only with Dash or Mahu... but A LOT of other people and on multiple occasions doing some of the same thing's he's done to Dash, I know you PM'd asking what he's done specifically but to be honest... there's too many stories to list from the people I know.

I'm all for a GT but whats the incentive to go to Beakycon if he's running it? He's burned people multiple times, and admitted he's a liar on his blog so can you tell me why I should believe you now that its goings to be different if I attend this event?

**blood angel**

Some of this rep is just internet hogwash spread around by people saying 'my friends told me too many stories to type out here.'

Just sayin..

For what it's worth GBF is really passionate about the hobby and has gone out of his way to make sure that the tournaments he is partially responsible for running are as free of shenanigans as possible.

While there are people in the world with some legitimate beefs there are tons who are just riding the drama lama.

**wileythenord**

Yeah I have only ever officially met Steve one time, and he was super nice. We shot the breeze about his army and ever since then when I run into him he always talks to me and asks how my tournament is going.

Granted I never played him.

But I know that he has played against some of my friends, and none of them ever had anything bad to say about him. Obviously he has a strong personality, just read his blog. But I think he would probably put more work into an event than most people who's events I have played in.

Getting back on topic, I would love for a reason to visit Tampa again, I will see how work is looking for this time.

**thehod**

Apostle Pat wrote:
While you make some good points and defend your friend the simple point is he has a horrid reputation not only with Dash or Mahu... but A LOT of other people and on multiple occasions doing some of the same thing's he's done to Dash, I know you PM'd asking what he's done specifically but to be honest... there's too many stories to list from the people I know.

I'm all for a GT but whats the incentive to go to Beakycon if he's running it? He's burned people multiple times, and admitted he's a liar on his blog so can you tell me why I should believe you now that its goings to be different if I attend this event?

I understand your concerns with him running the event. I don't think I can convince you about going to Beakycon if you feel that strongly against Steve.

There is always Bolter Beach in July for you. I know he is not involved with it and going to some GT in Florida is good.

**Apostle Pat**

Yea I'll be hitting Bolter Beach again this year, I have to see that 6 foot man again hahahaha!

**Mahu**

My experiences with him are personal and on many occasions involving things that have happened face to face with the guy. I don't go into specifics because it isn't worth the drama it will produce. Hod is his friend, and it is only natural for hod to defend him.

Becuase of past experiences, people don't trust him, and it is a shame because it tarnishes the ability of events he is a part of to grow. Now that he is out of bolter beach, I promise that event will grow.

**Swags**

Hello all.

I am going to give my opinion like every one else.

It is sad to me that so a few people will post anything positive, but as usual the ones who dont like something will always be the first to shout it. While the ones who like it will just go about our buisness enjoying it.

Example, the StormRaven / DreadKnight or any other "New" thing that has hit the stores. If you look at the internet the majority of responces were HATE, hate, hate. Yet GW turned them out and sold the crap out of them. If I belived what I read on the net I would think that not ONE would have ever sold. But the people who loved it just waited in silence and put there money down. Now they are every where.

Point being, supporters dont make as big of a deal out of things as those who dont on the net.

Personaly, I for one have known Steve for allmost 4 years now and been personaly involved with the production of bolth Bolter Beach tournaments.
I have seen the event go from an idea to a reality. I have seen and devoted hours and hours of time trying to do every last thing to make these events better. The amount of effort put into this is so vast that I cant even go into detail with out going on all night.

Were there problems in the past? Yes.
Are they being addresed for the future? Absolutly!
Has any one thing ever been perfect? You tell me.

As a player at the events I have had a great time every time in every game.
As did the majority of others, who like I said earlier, will remain silent and just enjoy things insted of trying to force their opinion on others.

At the end of the day players should look at the facts.

First, when you do something like this (run an event) you put yourself in the cross hairs.
Any one else out there ever ran an event and got toasted on the net? I have. It made me give upon the idea of running an event so fast!

Second, who else is trying to do something on a large scale like this for the players here in the South East?
I dont know of any.

Third, Steve loves this game so much that none of this petty BS even reaches him, it does however hit the other players who dont know for them selves what to expect.

Last.
Please understand, those of you who can be objective, its not a sprint its a marathon.
If we work together on this, yes you and me and Steve, by putting up ideas and the like it will be greater than its parts.
You can be involved and change things for the better if you use this time and your words right.
Do you want something changed, do you like one type of mission style better than another, do you like the way some other event did something, ect.

These events are run for you, our hours and hours and hours of work are so you can play and have a good time.
Please dont ruin your own fun, help make it better.
Lets be constructive here, I for one see good things going on for the future and I hope you are there to see it with me.

I will post up detailed info to support this in the future when I have more time.

Thanks for listening.

**mjl7atlas**

"Third, Steve loves this game so much that none of this petty BS even reaches him, it does however hit the other players who dont know for them selves what to expect."

Apparently it does get to him, read his blogs. Nuff said.

**Dashofpepper**

Black Blow Fly wrote:
Hey guys! I have signed up for the NOVA Open this morning. I am planning to play in the Friday night Celeb Death Match so I can stomp hard on Dashofpepper. A lot of people will be pulling for me and I feel very confident I can table whatever he brings.

There is a caveat - as it well known that Dash likes to cheat a lot and has a truculent posse when he plays on Vassal I am expecting the NOVA Open to conduct the event as fairly as possible.

This from a guy who had never met me. Unfounded, intentionally hostile comments like this are a norm. Thehod, I know you and BBF are friends, in the same club, and locals....and I don't want to start a war here, so I'm going to avoid responding to your post at all, let alone at the length I'd like to. I think you may have some incorrect information though.

I don't know why I didn't think to post this earlier, but this in answer to Frazzled's question about people having experience with Steve as a TO, I have a story.

When I was much newer to Dakka, about a year old in 40k, and starting to feel comfortable with my abilities to win local events, I had heard people talking about GTs. I didn't really know what they were; I didn't know that 40k had any kind of "formal" system for events; I thought 40k was lots of people around everywhere and whatever FLGS' you had in your area. When I would post advice about the army I played, or my thoughts on my codex, I usually got met with a wall of "STFU noob" or "You won't think that anymore when you play anyone decent" or "Big fish, little pond syndrome." Naturally, I wanted to expand my 40k experience if there was more to be had than a FLGS had to offer, so I started researching GTs, what they were, how long they took, where they were - looking for something to attend.

Someone pointed out to me that there was an annual GT in Raleigh NC called "Minicon" which was closer to me than anything else, and I found out that Green Blow Fly (Steve Turner) ran it. I didn't know who he was, so I sent him a PM on Dakka to introduce myself, that I was fairly local to where Minicon would be held, and that I was interested in some details about it so that I could consider attending. I asked what attendance looked like the previous year, where people came from, how much the entry fee was, what I got for the entry fee, and what prize support looked like.

His response to me was basically, "We had good attendance, your entry fee gets you the privilege of playing 40k, and prize support is in multiple categories, and their value is none of my business - if I win, winning is prize enough."

I was a bit confused, and wondering if I was out of line. I created a Dakka thread about the issue because I knew nothing about GTs - I asked the community if I was out of line asking about prize support for a GT, especially since "winning is prize enough" wasn't particularly meaningful to me given my track record at RTTs. Now...the gamer I am *today* can accept that winning is its own prize at a particularly well attended tournament. Adepticon, Nova Open...taking first in a field of 200+ players is good enough for me, I don't need prizes to validate my win, especially now that I have multiple armies. However, as someone brand new to the concept of something bigger than a 12-16 person RTT, the idea of traveling, paying a much higher entry fee than the cost of a local RTT for the privilege of playing....didn't seem particularly attractive to me.

I ended up choosing not to go to Minicon because I didn't get enough details about the event to satisfy my curiosity about it. The rest of our "relationship" pretty much involved him trolling me offensively on Dakka, and me rising to the bait until I was ordered to put him on /ignore by Frazzled. He switched tactics after that to writing blog posts about how much the world hated me, how he had regular discussions with people about how much I cheat and how much they dislike me, and linking his blog posts on Dakka - where people would PM me and say, "Did you see GBF talking trash about you?"

That finally came to an end for whatever reason when he did whatever he did to permanently get banned from Dakka. I had considered Bolter Beach for a time given that he wasn't solely running it, but got significant mail traffic advising me not to go for a variety of reasons.

**thehod**

@Dash

Like I said before, I am not here to change people's opinions about BBF. You have your reasons and they are very much valid. All I wanted to do was to post in his defense your 3 points about him.

I saw that the quote you put up what he said. From my point of view, when he mentions he wants to stomp you he is referring about beating you on the tabletop and not in real life. You do say its hostility which it can be, but I see it as smack talk since he regularly tells people he will destroy them or own them. Its all about perspective and judging from your signature "Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents" I can perceive it as you liking to trounce on baby seals or that you view people who you deem "unworthy" as second class humans.

As to his accusations of your cheating: well I have no proof you have cheated and it is baseless and he knows better than to throw around something as serious as that. But is he right since you took notice of that?

Hey if you want to talk in PMs and let this thread go back on topic, I am very much fine with that or even a beer summit.

**Dashofpepper**

thehod wrote: @Dash

Like I said before, I am not here to change people's opinions about BBF. You have your reasons and they are very much valid. All I wanted to do was to post in his defense your 3 points about him.

I saw that the quote you put up what he said. From my point of view, when he mentions he wants to stomp you he is referring about beating you on the tabletop and not in real life. You do say its hostility which it can be, but I see it as smack talk since he regularly tells people he will destroy them or own them. Its all about perspective and judging from your signature "Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents" I can perceive it as you liking to trounce on baby seals or that you view people who you deem "unworthy" as second class humans.

As to his accusations of your cheating: well I have no proof you have cheated and it is baseless and he knows better than to throw around something as serious as that. But is he right since you took notice of that?

Hey if you want to talk in PMs and let this thread go back on topic, I am very much fine with that or even a beer summit.

Thehod: I realize that the reference in the quote was about stomping me in a tabletop game. The physical threats are his publicly posted comments about his intent to bring and use a pair of brass knuckles on me. If I linked everything bad GFB has ever done here...

My location "feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents" was created yesterday in the spirit of the extremely long guide on advanced tactics for Dark Eldar which begin with a long explanation of how a Dark Eldar player needs to get in the appropriate mood before a game - which is a murderous loathing of the unworthy species affronting the DE general by daring to put an army on the table in the first place. IE, EVERY opponent is unworthy, simply by merit of not being Dark Eldar. I don't trounce baby seals...it serves no purpose. In fact, these days unless I'm at a tournament or specifically playing against someone who wants to test themselves against me, I play Necrons. Standard question before I get out models..."Rate yourself on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best 40k player in the world." If it isn't 8-10, you get my Necrons.

As for his accusations of my cheating, the closest it has ever come was this thread I created myself about measuring further than you intend to move such as a Dark Eldar vehicle measuring out to 20" (legal movement) if they only intend to move 6" or 12". 93% of the respondents said that it was legal, 45% of those said that it was legal but pushing the spirit of the rules, and 7% said that it was illegal.

There was an occasion last May at the SoCal Slaughter in space during game 5 when a DE player wandering past my table announced to someone else (I heard about it later) that I rolled +1A for a unit when they had a different drug. I lost the game anyway, in part because we only made it through like 3 turns, which was completely my fault because I was so drunk that I couldn't even stand up at the table. Hilarity ensued after the game and well into the night at Medieval Times. I don't know if I did roll too many dice with that unit though...my batrep pictures for that game are sparse, and quite fuzzy when they *are* present for aforementioned reason.

In short....no, Steve doesn't have grounds to call me a cheater. I'd conjecture more on that, but it all ultimately comes around to the same thing. In fact, since my first post on this thread, I've had four PMs with anecdotes; three of Steve cheating, and one of you cheating at a couple of events last year - none of which are my business to post here, especially since they are second-hand.

But based on my interaction with him, I would never recommend an event he was hosting to another player. I wouldn't trust it to be fairly ruled, I wouldn't trust scores to be recorded correctly (and you know who, if you're reading this, you should post that story), and I wouldn't trust cheating amongst his friends to be strictly penalized.

**thehod**

Here is some more info on the event.

40k GT, Our System, Awards
The main event is the 40k GT (2000 points) which will run over both days and we are also planning to run a 40k Combat Patrol event as well. The format for the GT is based on the NOVA and WargamesCon competition systems; that is, there will be enough rounds played to determine the best general based upon their overall score for objectives gained each round. You will have the opportunity to play both days in the GT - there will one award for the overall best general (Warmaster) and another for second place. There will also be awards for Best Sportsmanship, Best Army and a Player's Choice award as well.

Sponsors
Our main sponsors are Games Workshop and Anthem Games (right out of Tampa) plus we are looking for some vendor support from great gaming companies such as Battlefoam.

Registration and E-Memos
General registration for the public should open next month and we will be sending monthly e-memos to keep you abreast of the latest details.

Website
An official website for BeakyCon is currently under construction and should be ready to go public in approximately one month.

We hope to see you there!

**Aldonis**

hmmm.....Stelek perma banned from Dakka and anyone who says anything about him is given immediate cease and desist orders and the thread is insta-locked.

GBF gets perma banned from Dakka and people can keep the thread going for two pages (and this isn't talk about the con - it's talk about Steve).

Whether you like the guy or despise the guy - is this the right way to do this?

**Kingsley**

Aldonis wrote:hmmm.....Stelek perma banned from Dakka and anyone who says anything about him is given immediate cease and desist orders and the thread is insta-locked.

GBF gets perma banned from Dakka and people can keep the thread going for two pages (and this isn't talk about the con - it's talk about Steve).

Whether you like the guy or despise the guy - is this the right way to do this?

That might be because GBF still posts on this forum, using other accounts that the mods haven't found or don't care about, and freely admits this.

**ph34r**

I like GBF's alts. They've got all his ridiculous posting style, but he can't bring his ego into his posting without getting banned for saying too much.

**Frazzled**

Aldonis wrote:hmmm.....Stelek perma banned from Dakka and anyone who says anything about him is given immediate cease and desist orders and the thread is insta-locked.

GBF gets perma banned from Dakka and people can keep the thread going for two pages (and this isn't talk about the con - it's talk about Steve).

Whether you like the guy or despise the guy - is this the right way to do this?

1. This pertains to an actual tourney he is involved in.
2. If sockpuppets permeate Dakka has he truly gone?

3. But point taken. DOP you've said your peace and reasons now, so kindly move on to the next thread.

**whitedragon**

Aldonis wrote:hmmm.....Stelek perma banned from Dakka and anyone who says anything about him is given immediate cease and desist orders and the thread is insta-locked.

GBF gets perma banned from Dakka and people can keep the thread going for two pages (and this isn't talk about the con - it's talk about Steve).

Whether you like the guy or despise the guy - is this the right way to do this?

Another example of an annoying double standard?

**Frazzled**

whitedragon wrote:
Aldonis wrote:hmmm.....Stelek perma banned from Dakka and anyone who says anything about him is given immediate cease and desist orders and the thread is insta-locked.

GBF gets perma banned from Dakka and people can keep the thread going for two pages (and this isn't talk about the con - it's talk about Steve).

Whether you like the guy or despise the guy - is this the right way to do this?

Another example of an annoying double standard?

No. When BBF/GBF/BLOODSTARONE/ quits sock puppeting (eh Afrikan Blond?) then it would be a double standard. DOP has said his peace which, although tangential, did indeed note previous tournament experience, and I have now asked DOP to move on from the thread.

**crazy beanz**

Well, this thread has become "interesting". I have attended two events that Steve has hosted and played in one with him as well. They were the mini con in Raleigh, NC, and the one at Endless Games. The events were awesome. The first year prize support for the first mini con was low, the second year was very good. Prior to the event I had never met Steve and found him to be fair and very passionate about the game. I don't think it was rigged or favored his friends in any way (there were quite a few there). I say this because I won the event. The following year he ran the event and actually had to ask someone to leave due to slow play and assembled models (some of them were just bases). I'm sure this guy doesn't like Steve either. I recently played in the grand opening event at Endless Games in Raleigh where he was there with his DOA BA. I didn't see or hear anyone complain about him.

Now I personally have been to a lot of events; hosted more than most, and a GT for GW. I have respect for anyone doing any of the grunt work and providing me with a place to play the hobby I enjoy - investing the time and money up front without any guarantee that anyone will be there to play. Everyone is a critic. In knowing that, I do feel it hurts the event for Steve, if he gets on a blog or the internet and goes down in the mud with the people that will never be happy, no matter what you give them.

So, with my two cents being said, I will be there to roll dice. Make new friends, and probably some people that will label me TFG as well. But in the end, a bad day playing 40k with friends and people who enjoy the game as much as I do, is better than a day of sitting at home looking at my models and wishing I had someplace to go and play.

**Veteran Sergeant Beaky**

The website (blog) launched this afternoon:

BeakyCon.blogspot.com

**Veteran Sergeant Beaky**

Pre registration opens today.

http://beakycon.blogspot.com/

Hi everyone! We want to give you the most value for your money! You as a customer should be able to play in an awesome gaming environment for a very reasonable price and there should be fantastic prize support. Official registration does not begin until June but you now have an opportunity to pre register in advance and will be given a nice discount on the price. We are also giving group discounts as well.

40k GT Pre Registration Fee (individual): $45
40k GT Pre Registration Fee (groups of 3 to 4): $40/player
40k GT Pre Registration Fee (club rate, 5 or more): $35/player

The GT runs on both Saturday and Sunday.

40k Combat Patrol Pre Registration Fee (individual): $15/day

We will run separate Combat Patrol events on both days.

If you are interested and want to pre register then contact us at:

moodhoney @ yahoo . com

**Veteran Sergeant Beaky**

New article on the 40k GT scoring system was posted today on the blog:

http://beakycon.blogspot.com/

Spots are already filling up!

**Lazarus**

I don't post here much (honestly, it was people like Steve Turner who turned me off to this place).

I've had nothing but bad experiences with this guy and everyone I know seems to have a story related to him.

I've only played him once at an event. I immobilized his landraider which was now blocking his Vindicator. He decided to use his dozer blade to "push" it out of the way. Huh?? Needless to say, the TO didn't allow that and I tabled him to win the event. All the usual complaints of non declared dice, shoddy movement etc. A thouroghly unenjoyable game.

My next encounter with him is he is attacking us for having professionally painted armies. He rips my Adepticon team mate for winning the player's choice award at the Necro, despite bringing his painter with him to get his picture taken. He didn't claim credit for the work. Coincidentally, Steve's display board was done professionally by someone else. Later, at an event in Orlando, I saw him and noticed he had some fantastic looking Marines. I commented that his painting had come way up and he replied that he had them done by Scott Bowser (who is my painter). I would not have had a problem with this if it hadn't been for his huge & nasty internet campaign he did against us for doing the very same thing. It's like telling others slavery is wrong and then buying some to pick your cotton.

Next was the Atlanta games day tournament. I'm sick and going into the last round with a massacre and a minor loss so I know I'm not winning (insert "I don't care mode"). My opponent (they did not tell me who it was) had not shown up for almost 1/2 an hour. I tell a TO to either find me someone, or I'll just take the pass and leave so I can get started on my 8 hour drive. They find me some young kid playing Ultra marines and we begin setting up. Part way into turn 1, Steve shows up and say he thinks he's supposed to be on this table. I said fine, go get a TO cause I don't know, this was supposed to start 40 minutes ago. He never returns.

I next hear from him ripping me on the net saying I intentionally ducked playing him and derailed his chances at victory. He was especially nasty with all sorts of name calling etc. Later, when it was proven he had the start time wrong and that he was at fault, he acted like nothing had ever happened and his "apology" (if you want to call it that) should erase all his prior beahvior. Odd me wanting to "duck" him considering my only expereice with him was me massacring him.

There are only two people (currently alive) that I would simply forfeit to instead of playing the game, and he is one of them. Those type games simply aren't worth it. I have no more need of shiny prizes or money.

Sorry I couldn't add anything positive. Tried but couldn't think of anything....

**mrblacksunshine_1978**

I really believe that if you have a personal problem with him, just keep to yourself. That a matter between you and him. Everyone that posted a negtive output should just keep it to themselves. We as 40k players in the deep south have a hard enough time gettin GT's in the south. remeber that this is event that he is trying his best to organize something for us.

**SonofTerra**

Being from up north i obviously dont have any real life stories of the guy but when it comes to topics like this there is a great sports addage (sp?) that i find appropriate:

The best cheaters make the best refs

why? well they know all the dirty tricks/how to push the line. So if he isnt playing, and just organizing etc. then it could actually be a minor benefit in some ways.

**Lazarus**

mrblacksunshine_1978

I really believe that if you have a personal problem with him, just keep to yourself. That a matter between you and him. Everyone that posted a negtive output should just keep it to themselves.

That makes no sense whatsoever. That's like telling someone who was molested that it is simply a personal matter between you and the molestor. You shouldn't warn other people. also, I only covered my personal interactions with him. I know of at least another dozen stories that I've personally seen in the area but I'll let those people share if they so wish.

We as 40k players in the deep south have a hard enough time gettin GT's in the south. remeber that this is event that he is trying his best to organize something for us.

Kudos for his effort. Too bad it comes with soo much baggage. Why was he thrown out of Bolter Beach again?

SonofTerra

Being from up north i obviously dont have any real life stories of the guy but when it comes to topics like this there is a great sports addage (sp?) that i find appropriate:
The best cheaters make the best refs
why? well they know all the dirty tricks/how to push the line. So if he isnt playing, and just organizing etc. then it could actually be a minor benefit in some ways.

Cheaters are still cheaters though. I don't want to feel that I'm handicapped against his whole club when I play in the event.

**Veteran Sergeant Beaky**

I got this response back from Steve…

I've only played him once at an event. I immobilized his landraider which was now blocking his Vindicator. He decided to use his dozer blade to "push" it out of the way. Huh?? Needless to say, the TO didn't allow that and I tabled him to win the event. All the usual complaints of non declared dice, shoddy movement etc. A thouroghly unenjoyable game.

He said he has never used a Vindicator much less ever tried what you said above.

My next encounter with him is he is attacking us for having professionally painted armies. He rips my Adepticon team mate for winning the player's choice award at the Necro, despite bringing his painter with him to get his picture taken. He didn't claim credit for the work. Coincidentally, Steve's display board was done professionally by someone else. Later, at an event in Orlando, I saw him and noticed he had some fantastic looking Marines. I commented that his painting had come way up and he replied that he had them done by Scott Bowser (who is my painter). I would not have had a problem with this if it hadn't been for his huge & nasty internet campaign he did against us for doing the very same thing. It's like telling others slavery is wrong and then buying some to pick your cotton.

Steve said the person you referred to entered professionally painted models that won Golden Daemon awards for the painting contest at the Necro. The next year the TOs publicly stated you could only enter models you had painted yourself. That doesn’t seem cool to enter models you didn’t paint and the contest was only for actual participants. Steve never entered any of Scott Bowser’s models in any painting contests either. He had 1000 points of Blood Ravens he had painted himself for Adepticon and another 1000 points painted by Scott. He wanted to play them as a single army before he sold them.

Next was the Atlanta games day tournament. I'm sick and going into the last round with a massacre and a minor loss so I know I'm not winning (insert "I don't care mode"). My opponent (they did not tell me who it was) had not shown up for almost 1/2 an hour. I tell a TO to either find me someone, or I'll just take the pass and leave so I can get started on my 8 hour drive. They find me some young kid playing Ultra marines and we begin setting up. Part way into turn 1, Steve shows up and say he thinks he's supposed to be on this table. I said fine, go get a TO cause I don't know, this was supposed to start 40 minutes ago. He never returns.

Steve told me he was at most five minutes late to the table. Steve was in the GW tourney circuit that year and was hoping to score higher in that event.

**Lazarus**

He said he has never used a Vindicator much less ever tried what you said above.

I've got a TO and witnesses that say otherwise but hey, whatever.

Steve said the person you referred to entered professionally painted models that won Golden Daemon awards for the painting contest at the Necro. The next year the TOs publicly stated you could only enter models you had painted yourself. That doesn’t seem cool to enter models you didn’t paint and the contest was only for actual participants. Steve never entered any of Scott Bowser’s models in any painting contests either. He had 1000 points of Blood Ravens he had painted himself for Adepticon and another 1000 points painted by Scott. He wanted to play them as a single army before he sold them.

Player's choice was the award in question and the requirement for painting had nothing to do with who did it. The organizers seemed completely cool about the picture of Bob & his painter and everything. Perhaps I should post a link to the entire thread so he can't just duck that too?
Steve's rants were that you shouldn't have professionally done models PERIOD. You should get no points towards your overall score. It was not a painting competition thing. He railed against mine and I've NEVER entered them in painting competitions. Matter of fact, my only models that have entered a competition were my Harlequins which Scott himself entered in Baltimore and won the Silver with.

Steve told me he was at most five minutes late to the table. Steve was in the GW tourney circuit that year and was hoping to score higher in that event.

Again, I can link the thread where he admits he was waaay late as he had the wrong start time. Why change that story now? Also, what standings did he hope to improve? If he was playing me, he was either in the wrong bracket, or wasn't doing as well as I had already lost a game (read the mission worng vs. Clark Welsh and turned a solid victory into a minor loss as I could have just moved one tank on my last turn for the win). How he figured to "improve" his standing against my mech eldar in 4th edition with a 0-1 record against me.....I'm not sure. I don't lose alot of games.

What would I have to gain by making any of this up? (ironic that I might be talking to one of his sock accounts lol)

**Apostle Pat**

(ironic that I might be talking to one of his sock accounts lol)

I was just thinking the EXACT same thing...

**Lazarus**

Here is a link to the Atlanta tournament thread where he acts like a douche and then admits he was late. More than the 5 minutes he claims now and in writting. The judge certainly agreed with me when they went to find me an opponent to play against.

http://orlando40k.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=453&st=0

I'll post more later.

Here is the Necro painting thread:

http://orlando40k.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=595&st=0

My issue with his using a professional painter is that this thread was only one of MANY where he slammed others for doing this. We are "destroying" the hobby. Real hypocrite.

Speaking of destroying the hobby, all of the events I see now that require no painting or maganalized scores to the point it doesn't matter - that's destroying the hobby. now all I see is gray or primer lists of whatever the beatstick of the month is. I personally liked going to events to see other armies like mine. But hey, whatever.

There is lots more but cross forums and I'm tired after putting in my 12 hour day at work.