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nvillacci wrote:This is news to me...
According to the post, GW will no longer allow its in-store customers to use ANY other companies products in the store. This means, bases, non-wargaming toys, bits and pieces, etc. So we are talking anything besides GW, Greenstuff or Plasticard and you cannot use it and will be asked to leave.

Really? News to you? I've done GW gaming since 1995, and it has always been that way as long as I can remember.... I do remember a rule of 85% gw pure & 15% scratch built from anything else.....Maybe because I games at the GW Battle Bunker and not a small little GW location (non-battle bunker).

Heck, I remember a tourny where the guy used 100% GW minis, converted them into beautiful Aliens Colonial marine army, but because of intellectual property rights (?) or something, he was unable to enter games!

First thing that would be nice is to see some written policy stating this. Until I see something like that, or talk to someone at GW that confirms it, I tend to take these things with a grain of salt.

After all, it falls into the catagory of "A reshirt said....".

I can understand where they are coming from with some of it. Hard to allow things like Chapterhouse kits in your stores when you're involved with a lawsuit with them. And it does take sales away from them, when someone is explaining how to make his cool models by not buying GW models.

I'm less convinced on things like MAS or other companies bases. You buy the base from GW, then don't use it and replace with a resin base. Far different than not buying a GW model to use one from AOW, or a McFarlane Dragon, etc.

I'll have to give someone a call and see what the exact policy is.

Hmmm, I really don't know whether to believe this story or not. Considering the author I would take it with a large pinch of salt. What the store has had enough of is people coming in with poorly sculpted mass produced pads and trying to promote that seller, hmm I wonder what company that could be? At the end of the day it's GWs store and they make the rules, and if you don't like it you don't have to shop there.

I would be more sure that the manager has had enough of one section of customers taking liberal advantage of their good will and has moved to defuse the situation. I would be very surprised if the situation continued once that section of the community gets the message.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I have noticed that a lot of Americans and the younger section of the Brit gamers do expect all of their models to be dropped into their lap by GW. The old spirit of making your own kitbashes or conversions aeems to be dying off, I am not saying that its right but its not as wrong as some of the more vocal would claim.

Solorg wrote:I don't see a problem here. It's their store - and usually table space is very limited. So I can't blame them for only wanting GW in the GW store. What if someone comes in and notices me playing with some cool models - and they're from Reaper - and then that person is impressed with them, leaves, and goes to buy them online?

For this same reason, it makes no reason at all for me to get away with playing my Squats there. I tell anyone who asks that I got them from ebay, I make no secret of the fact that I prime them using non-GW primer and so on. If they wanted to be consistent and to eliminate "lost sales", they must ban the use of any and all miniatures not currently available from GW.

I think it is good policy.

If GW starts allowing people to use other game miniatures, and allows a much broader use of stand ins & scratch builds, we will start seeing hodge podge collections of minis, mixing 25mm, 28mm, 30mm and different details in the minis, heroscape minis being used, toy soldiers, and "count as" will be rampant too, and so on....

This past weekend I saw a kid that had 9 killa kans made from toilet paper rolls and popsicle sticks in a GW store.

I saw someone using a spawn action figure as a greater daemon!

Ridiculous.

As far as bases or questions from GW emps, "I sculpted it myself." Get that mantra down folks.

krazynadechukr wrote:This past weekend I saw a kid that had 9 killa kans made from toilet paper rolls and popsicle sticks in a GW store.

Ridiculous.

Reason #239 to never play at a GW store.. Go to an independent

I can't open the link from work, so forgive me if this is discussed.

I understand them blocking other company's minis, etc. I even support them on that.
Bases, though? That's just freaking stupid. If I've got Dragon Forge bases on my models. and they want to not let me game there because of it, that's just crap.
I mean, it's not like GW is in competition with resin base manufacturers.
:eye roll:

Eric

Is it coming to this?

Hope not.

I agree with GW to keep out non-gw minis....

Wait, I thought this was already GW retail policy, and had been for some time?

krazynadechukr wrote:

I can only assume you've mistakenly uploaded the wrong picture. You spoke about something that was "crap" but you've uploaded a pretty good hand-made cardboard killer kan.

Please look into this oversight on your part and report back.

Welcome to the fallout from chapterhouse

Savnock wrote:Wait, I thought this was already GW retail policy, and had been for some time?

Yes. Yes it is, and was, and still is....

Hasn't this come up before? This kind of thing only matters if you do most of your gaming in your local GW store, which I've never done. I think that in previous threads it was highlighted that its the norm to play more in stores in the US than it is in the UK. I think it is also an attempt to move on people who are always playing in the store and not buying stuff. They cant get little Timmy to take up the hobby and trap his parents if skinflint Fred is taking up the gaming table and ofc there is the intimidation factor of lots of bigger kids putting off parents. I doubt it has much to do with the Chapterhouse stuff specifically but there is a pervading attitude to 3rd party companies products. Yes I know GW cause some of the issues with their lack of products but ultimately the tables are there to introduce new players and keep paying customers coming back. I doubt any manager would give customers much grief if they regularly drop a decent wadge of cash in there each month. Area managers are a different beast altogether, you need to be a bit driven to go for that job and it's the driven sorts that tend the have the 'eff you' attitude.

I think this is a balance thing, they dont want stores to be full of low income older kids who take up space and put people off coming in the shop and they dont want to be a glorified babysitting service for little Timmys everywhere. But yeah how much of your hobby relies on being able to game in a GW store? If it's a lot then you have to make a choice otherwise it's a free for all.

terranarc wrote:I feel like the big mac in burgerking metaphor is just irrelevant. Why? Eating a sandwich at a restaurant (lol... if you can call it that) is not the same as pulling out armies of a hobby that took alot of money, time and blood to make to have fun with. I probably won't ever go to any GW store that actually reinforces this rule.

Its further less relevant in that, to bring in BK fries, I would have had to already purchase MD fries and assumed additional cost on top of that. Its stupid as what converter's are really saying is, "I have this vision thing and I am willing to spend more money on this personal vision thing, but you will get your cut, and further, I shall demonstrate how one can tailor their items for something truly different EVEN WITH YOUR CRAPPY MINIS."

Grundz wrote:Welcome to the fallout from chapterhouse

Not really a thing to do with chapterhouse....

GW has had this policy for years....

Maybe it came around again, as a reminder, because too many people are using other minis from other lines and it is getting rampant...

Chapterhouse may have been the last straw....

krazynadechukr wrote:Is it coming to this?

Hope not.

I agree with GW to keep out non-gw minis....

You know with some proper paint and grubbins that would look proppa right orky!

I can only assume you've mistakenly uploaded the wrong picture. You spoke about something that was "crap" but you've uploaded a pretty good hand-made cardboard killer kan.

Please look into this oversight on your part and report back.

krazynadechukr wrote:
If you want to play your beautifully painted, 2k, $500+ GW army with someone who has spent $17.93 on cardboard, glue, and craft product and didn't bother to even paint it or add GW bits, go ahead...

Yes, how dare those poors think they can share our hobby.

It is a variable.

If some player arrives at the store with several $k of imperial guard that he's put pig iron heads on to be told that 'only gw stuff is allowed on the shop tables' then he should feel free to raise a serious amount of noise about it.

If an ork player shows up with his lovingly converted ww2 model battlewagons and is told the same, he too should kick ass and show no mercy.

If a guy arrives with a box of VOID miniatures and proceeds to inform the staff he's going to use them as his new grey knight army (or any army really) then calling him out is fair play.

I mean, just wtf are tyranid players supposed to do for sporemines? Buy a drop pod and smother it in greenstuff?

Ork players went years and years with a very patchy miniature range. Many of them invested hundreds of hours in building vehicles that until recently took pride of place in GW store windows and even the pages of White Dwarf.

I can't see these talents being 'shown the door' unless by a very unskilled and foolish employee.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Would you be peeved if a local McDonalds posted a sign reading that you couldn't take Whoppers into their stores? They are in retail, and they want to make money. They don;t want to here people whining about the cost of an expensive hobby and finding alternate models to fill the gaps.

But if I have a GW/FW model but another companies base, using your logic that would be more like:

1) Going into McDonalds and buying a meal.
2) After purchasing this meal and taking it to my table I get out a KFC BBQ sauce from my coat pocket and put the contents on my burger.

I should then be asked to leave. As I may have purchased the main product the store sells but I have added a little something that mades it different and chose not to use the McDonalds version of BBQ sauce.

Happygrunt wrote:I have a feeling that some people will just look the other way for small things like heads or bases...

I agree with this. It's a stupid rule that is going to be tough to enforce and I assume most will not even care.

oni wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:I have a feeling that some people will just look the other way for small things like heads or bases...

I agree with this. It's a stupid rule that is going to be tough to enforce and I assume most will not even care.

It's the mere creation of the rule that's telling: It shows what GW thinks of their "followers" (and GW's official term for us is, itself, telling: we aren't "Hobbyists" to be impressed by the quality of the models or "Customers" who allow their continued existence, we're "followers" and our support is assumed).

Arrogant feth-heads.

I've only ever had the pleasure of going into a GW store once. You WOULD NOT BELIEVE the amount of injustice I suffered there under they're tyrannical grasp. First, they were friendly to me, not pushy, and when they saw that I was just quickly grabbing some basing and stuff and I mentioned we were up there for Adepticon, they had the SHEER AUDACITY to politely invite us back later for more gaming assuming we weren't wiped out after the tournament. Also our Eldar player forgot his copy of the Nightspinner rules, and one of the guys there gave him a copy of the WD with it in it. For free! Can you imagine!

Hats off to the guys in Downer's Grove. If all GWs were like that, I wouldn't mind only being allowed to use GW stuff. In reality though, all we have in STL is FLGS, which are usually awesome and always indifferent to what you're playing with.

Go look at Kr00za's work, or Lemmingspawn, or Teek or Jamsessionein.

Google the Kult of Speed by George Dellapina.

You telling me those guys are going to be turned away? I don't think so. I'd imagine this is a response to soda can drop pods and lego men terminators...

At least I'd hope that was it.

Doctor Optimal wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:
If you want to play your beautifully painted, 2k, $500+ GW army with someone who has spent $17.93 on cardboard, glue, and craft product and didn't bother to even paint it or add GW bits, go ahead...

Yes, how dare those poors think they can share our hobby.

So if a guy in a pinto shows up at the race track, to race you and others in proper race cars, it doesn't insult you or the hobby?

I have no problem with the home made stuff, as long as it stays home. Play at your home if you want to mix minis and scratch build stuff.

By the way, the guy was in his 30's, and the whole ork army was scratch built from paper, cardboard, etc.... There were some ork minis he bought from yard sales though..... Poor is one thing, cheap is another.....

I think the case in point was that a poor player was using GW IG models and had Pig Iron heads on them.

At that point a higher up noticed, and said "No more!".

I can be understanding if a customer is using another companies orks in a GW game... but when you are talking about conversion kits (heads, weapons, bases) that are used on GW models, I think that is just petty. GW received their money, they should be happy.

krazynadechukr wrote: the whole ork army was scratch built from paper, cardboard, etc.... There were some ork minis he bought from yard sales though.....

How dare those modelers think they can share our hobby.

Doctor Optimal wrote:I can only assume you've mistakenly uploaded the wrong picture. You spoke about something that was "crap" but you've uploaded a pretty good hand-made cardboard killer kan.

That's a killa kan? Looks like a deffkopta.

krazynadechukr wrote:
So if a guy in a pinto shows up at the race track, to race you and others in proper race cars, it doesn't insult you or the hobby?

I have no problem with the home made stuff, as long as it stays home. Play at your home if you want to mix minis and scratch build stuff.

The glue, stop sniffing it. I would be honoured to have stuff of this quality across the board from me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-5845-4732_Teek%27s%20Trukks%2C%20WIP.html

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/213195.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/42550-SupaSteamStompa%20mk%20II.html

http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=31346&st=160