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kenshin620 wrote:Wow, quite surprised to see so many surprised people here. I thought it was common knowledge that official GW stores tend to not like you if you got non GW stuff

Never heard of a problem with Pig Iron heads on Cadian bodies, or ZSU-23 turrets on a Chimera for a Hydra. This policy would create problems with both.

kenshin620 wrote:Wow, quite surprised to see so many surprised people here. I thought it was common knowledge that official GW stores tend to not like you if you got non GW stuff

I never got the impression it was official policy to like you if you bought official GW stuff either. At least not after the first time you shopped there.

Doctor Optimal wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Wow, quite surprised to see so many surprised people here. I thought it was common knowledge that official GW stores tend to not like you if you got non GW stuff

Never heard of a problem with Pig Iron heads on Cadian bodies, or ZSU-23 turrets on a Chimera for a Hydra. This policy would create problems with both.

Hmm I guess small conversions were allowed. I just dont remember since I never spend more than 5 minutes in a store

Doctor Optimal wrote:
3. At this point, after a 10 (15?) year campaign by GW to undercut local games stores (and in so doing, the clubs that relied on those stores) in the UK and US it's a little sanguine to put forward that we can just start a club in the (often non-existent) public spaces for 40k. As others have said (and, noting that anecdotes aren't the same as data), once the dice come out lots of people scream "gambling" and what little space might have been there, isn't there anymore.

Guess I was taking a nap for the last 15 years, I totally missed the whole campaign.

I've had a huge amount of support from GW going back 20 years. Lately they've been even more supportive, encouraging my stores to work with local clubs. I've heard forever about how GW undermine FLGS, but somehow the actual facts always seems to be 4th hand and very vague.

Clearly Mikhaila, you're a GW plant here to throw us off of The Truth.

nkelsch wrote:People are purposefully being dense for the sake of outrage. They are digging up possible examples so they can say "SEEEEEEEEEEEEE? You would ban this models so your policy is void! all models should be allowed!"

We all know why this is here...

1. People who use alternative lines as proxies or 'counts as'. GW has no reason to allow those models to ever be used within the store.

2. People who are using conversion bitz for a significant part of the model, especially the important visible parts like heads/shoulders/weapons. If anyone sees those parts and want to purchase them, they can't because they are made by other companies.

3. Garbage, toys or shoeboxes being used as proxies.

Just because someone somewhere on the internet made an awesome model that may not be welcome in the store doesn't mean that 99% of the models which would be targeted by this policy are not valid models that GW is perfectly justified in not allowing them in their store.

No we dont know why thats here. Folks like yourself are being dense- the policy, as stated, means that well done armies that use otehr bits as well as crap are banned. It makes no difference as to the quality, only pieces used. It cuts across all matters of quality.

Kinda silly to not allow models that are mostly GW but not all GW parts. Usually the person bought the whole blister or boxed set and then conversion parts so it's not like GW lost any money what so ever, their profit margin would remain the same.

Proxies from entirely non GW models or models that were mostly non GW with like a lasgun is understandable.

carmachu wrote:

No we dont know why thats here. Folks like yourself are being dense- the policy, as stated, means that well done armies that use otehr bits as well as crap are banned. It makes no difference as to the quality, only pieces used. It cuts across all matters of quality.

Alternative lines can be very nice... They are also competing products that GW doesn't sell and it has no place in a GW store because it doesn't promote gw sales or cause people to look elsewhere for models which defeats the purpose of a store.

So yes, nice armies would be banned. I see no reason why a total conversion army made with other companies parts has the right or should be expected to be on display in a GW store. I don't understand the confusion on why GW should promote other people's product in their store.

Honestly at the end of the day, it's their store, their money and they'll probably realise that it wasn't such a wonderful idea when people don't return to the store.

If anything good were to arise from this, it may encourage players to start their own gaming clubs, or even their own FLGS.

Do I have to use GW dice, and tape measure as well?

I understand it, but it is a wee bit much. Glad I don't have a GW within 150 miles...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:
So if a guy in a pinto shows up at the race track, to race you and others in proper race cars, it doesn't insult you or the hobby?

I have no problem with the home made stuff, as long as it stays home. Play at your home if you want to mix minis and scratch build stuff.

The glue, stop sniffing it. I would be honoured to have stuff of this quality across the board from me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-5845-4732_Teek%27s%20Trukks%2C%20WIP.html

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/213195.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/42550-SupaSteamStompa%20mk%20II.html

http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=31346&st=160

There's a friggin world of difference from the garbage that I saw on the board last weekend and the stuff you posted.....I would love for that quality to be in my opponents army that you posted!

Heck, it gets worse than that in some stores. One of the stores here in Houston wont allow scratch builds of Forgeworld or GW stuff. Got a bang-on Thunderhawk you'd love to use? Not in that store.

First of all in my region of the world, Using other models other than GW in their store is generally frowned upon.

Second of all in my region of the world, Scratch building and model conversion is an acceptable practice. The main reason is because it eventually sells GW models . The general accepted percentage in my region is 75/25 = GW/other parts for conversions.

Selling models is the managers top priority, getting people pissed off, and these people would generally be the Vets that would be doing the serious conversions is not a smart idea. They are the ones who are paying for the sets of models to make conversions out of.

But then again when has Games Workshop have done a logical thing of late?

nvillacci wrote:According to the post, GW will no longer allow its in-store customers to use ANY other companies products in the store. This means, bases, non-wargaming toys, bits and pieces, etc. So we are talking anything besides GW, Greenstuff or Plasticard and you cannot use it and will be asked to leave.

well, I stay away from GW stores anyway, I hate being jumped upon by their overzealous sellers and being around horde of screaming kids. We got our club and all bits and manufacturers are allowed there.

What about non GW dice or tapes?

I don't think GW should jump on you for using say, parts of a soda-pop mini to embellish you own, GW made mini's. That just seems a little overzealous. I agree that using entire squads or even armies of other, lessor known mini makers in your instore game is rude, but if GW actually provided half the mini's that they make the rules for, then maybe we wouldn't be in that situation in the first place. I'm planning on using some warmachine bits and bobs to embellish my pre heresy emp.children for example, although they are RTB01's. I can fully understand if you wanted to use other 28mm mini's to represent things that GW have rules for but simply do not make the minis. I guess thou that if you insist on using unofficial GW mini's in your ay then just play at home or at your FLGS......

How will the GW store fella tell its sculpted by the army owner or just purchased bit? If I buy GS and sculpt my army from scratch would it be illegal? They still sell GS right?

These are just some silly simple questions but illustrate a bit of how these things are not that linear if they take the blind action of ban! ban! ban!

To me all this seems unecessary and childish.
Half the fun of this hobby is sculpting or getting other companies bitz to convert your army to your tastes... GW wants to controll your personall decisions... good luck with that!

Just tell GW you scuplted the models out of melted down GW sprues

Ugavine wrote:Just tell GW you scuplted the models out of melted down GW sprues

In the red shirt kiln, using the souls and nerdrage of frustrated red shirts to fire the kiln.

mikhaila wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:
3. At this point, after a 10 (15?) year campaign by GW to undercut local games stores (and in so doing, the clubs that relied on those stores) in the UK and US it's a little sanguine to put forward that we can just start a club in the (often non-existent) public spaces for 40k. As others have said (and, noting that anecdotes aren't the same as data), once the dice come out lots of people scream "gambling" and what little space might have been there, isn't there anymore.

Guess I was taking a nap for the last 15 years, I totally missed the whole campaign.

I've had a huge amount of support from GW going back 20 years. Lately they've been even more supportive, encouraging my stores to work with local clubs. I've heard forever about how GW undermine FLGS, but somehow the actual facts always seems to be 4th hand and very vague.

The FLGS's that complain about GW are the ones that were usually have other issues going on as well. I agree with Mikhaila 100%, and I've seen the business from both sides.

Meh. I had an army on display in a GW store using third party resin bases that the staff were perfectly aware of. One of the staff immediately ordered some for himself. He didn't make a huge deal about it to his customers because obviously it does nothing to help their business. I entered last year's Golden Daemon at another store (at which it was on display) and advanced with a model on a third party resin base that they were perfectly aware of.

The idea of demonising GW for this casual policy which serves to protect their interests in a way that does not harm anyone is idiotic at the very least. This is internet hype and massive exaggeration - I can't believe that people are making such a big deal about it. Grow a pair, all of you.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm continually surprised GW lets me play with GW models from the 80s and 90s. If they had an ounce of sense in their thick heads, they'd ban THOSE.

Im sure its coming. Soon it will be...not only do models have to be 100% GW, but they have to be current range. I mean, what if some newbie sees you using RT era SM, decides he likes them and goes to ebay to get some? That is a sale lost, he should be buying new current range stuff that GW makes fresh money off of...not that old stuff that GW made its money from 20 years ago.

And people who ask about dice...mark my words, one day GW will sell dice with a tiny GW in each corner, and store employees will be forced to check all dice for the company stamp.

Maybe one day they will have color swatches for employees to use to verify models were painted with GW paints.


I really get a kick out of all the stuff they do...I like watching them get more and more ridiculous, and watching all the fanboys whine and cry but continue to throw their money at GW. Its fun to watch how far it goes before people break and say "fark this, no more, Im done" and move on to other games/companies.

In a GW not to far from me, they dont allow you to use older GW models
you have to use "current edition"

The daemonette example I gave was a real one, old metals not allowed, only new plastic, which I personally think is disgusting as I much prefer the old metals. (and its their own damn product ffs)


I think Gw has the right to say "no 3rd party models" in their stores, but they should be flexible regarding bases and the odd head/shoulderpad.


Conversely, a friend of mine attended throne of skulls last year. Which is supposed to have the % gw miniature rule. Apparently a guy playing next to him was using chaos space marines as termagaunts and a star wars model as a carnifex :S nothing was done about it.

I REALLY hope that the bod's at GW don't ban you from using RT era mini's. Do they have ANY idea about how long it takes to put together a competitive list using mini's that can only be found on eBay?! And I have just spent a small fortune on an unmolested RT landraider......Please don't let it come to pass.....:(

What I stated above is only one GW though, I have been to another and the manager hasnt got a beef with them so I dont know if its just the one guy or a general thing (sadly for me the good gw is further away).

I also have a penchant for older models, so if it was to become a blanket policy then it would royally wind me up.

redeyed wrote:In a GW not to far from me, they dont allow you to use older GW models
you have to use "current edition"

The daemonette example I gave was a real one, old metals not allowed, only new plastic, which I personally think is disgusting as I much prefer the old metals. (and its their own damn product ffs)

This is clearly also a localised case compared to my personal experience.

I guess the biggest problem with this is the utter lack of FLGS's in the uk. At least here in the Oxford area anyway.....I have lived here for 7 years and there does not seem to be any at all. Unless I've completely missed one or two. The only way I get to meet new players is by going into my local GW and getting a game there.... I would have to play by their instore rules obviously. And if that means no 'corrupted' mini's then so be it. I love the GW universe always have and have kept buying and playing for nearly 20 years, but I can fully understand why peeps would be put off by the current instore rules and pricing policy's. I can't rely on parents trying to keep me happy anymore by buying the latest must have mini's for me. And besides which I'm a massive conversion/kitbusting fan! All told, I guess the older you get the less likely you are to be playing in a GW store. Oh, if anyone can help with FLGS's/gaming clubs in my area please do so!.....

I understand GW's rule but at the same time using 3rd party bits for conversion purposes to add unique flavor to an army should be excepted as long as stated earlier that you can tell the mini is a GW mini.

Happygrunt wrote:I have a feeling that some people will just look the other way for small things like heads or bases...

This.

Though I did not believe this to be a recent occurrence.