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High Elf Prince with Great weapon(High Elves strikes first even with Great weapons), Armour of Caledor, Vambraces of Defence and Talisman of Loec: 262 Points.
4 Strength 6 attacks, can once per battle re-roll to hit and to wound in a close combat phase and force any model wounded by him to re-roll any succesful saves(though using this item makes him lose a wound himself). re-rollable 2+ armour save and a 4+ ward save.
While a little squishy with only Toughness 3 he can pack a real punch, even better if you got a Light or Beast mage around to boost his number of attacks. But then you would have to add the point cost of the Mage/Archmage...

Malleus wrote:Arch Lector with the War Altar, the speculum, and a 1+rerollable armor save. Complete the package with a great weapon for about 300 points or so.

The existence of the speculum pretty much makes this contest an easy win for the Empire.

How about a High Elf Prince, Armor of Caledor, The other Tricksters Shard, and the 4+ ward save item from the High Elf book, with a great weapon.

That's 4 WS7 S6 ASF attacks (probably with re-rolls) -3 armor save and you will have to re-roll any successful ward saves.

I'm surprised noone's mentioned the crazy hard-to-kill Dwarf Lords, yet.

Let's go with...

301 pts
3 wounds, T5, 1+ rerollable armor, 4+ ward, and (here's the key part!) any attack against him at higher than Strength 5 is treated as only Strength 5. So screw your massive strength, you're only wounding on a 4+. Screw your massive strength, the dwarf is still getting no worse than a 3+ rerollable armor save.
WS7, 4 attacks at S6 and WS5, 2 attacks at S4

Pity the rune allowance is so low, or this guy could be a lot more powerful.

Impy wrote:I'm surprised noone's mentioned the crazy hard-to-kill Dwarf Lords, yet.

Let's go with...

301 pts
3 wounds, T5, 1+ rerollable armor, 4+ ward, and (here's the key part!) any attack against him at higher than Strength 5 is treated as only Strength 5. So screw your massive strength, you're only wounding on a 4+. Screw your massive strength, the dwarf is still getting no worse than a 3+ rerollable armor save.
WS7, 4 attacks at S6 and WS5, 2 attacks at S4

Pity the rune allowance is so low, or this guy could be a lot more powerful.

I think we can improve on this. Let's ditch the 4+ ward and replace it with immunity to Killing Blow and poison. Since he doesn't care about high str attacks and doesn't care about KB, the ward save can be dispensed with, and replaced with a great weapon with kragg the grim and +1a. now 5 s6 attacks and still approximately completely impossible to kill.

biccat wrote:

Malleus wrote:Arch Lector with the War Altar, the speculum, and a 1+rerollable armor save. Complete the package with a great weapon for about 300 points or so.

The existence of the speculum pretty much makes this contest an easy win for the Empire.

That's not totally true.
A character dependent on his gear and mount can compete against the speculum.

Dreadlords on Black Dragon have a lot of options to make the fight close, as do some warriors of chaos builds.

-Matt

Vampire Counts can be pretty nasty as can Chaos Lords.

I don't know enough about other characters from other army books to know who has an impressive damage output as well as the ability to take hits.

Ie: High Elves hit hard but cant take hits back where as Lizardmen can take a beating but usually hit back with few attacks

Doombull for Beastmen,

Are we adding mounts into this? If so, just add a star dragon to my previous High Elf Prince.

Dont know about death dealer but you can make a high elf nigh unkillable

Prince with golden sheild, vambraces, say biting blade to hurt the armour a little, dragon armour and your choice of mounts either go big fora star dragon or barded steed (3+ or 2+ armoursave)

that is YOU reroll successful hits, I reroll unsaved armour and a 4+ ward to go....you will be there almost all day trying to put that little pinkskin down lol

alos i am surprised no one has mentioned some kind of combo with blade of realities for lizards...

Some of the nastiest duelers I've come across:

Bret Lord:
pot of strength
Cuirass of Fortune
Virtue of Ideal
sword of swift slaying

Ogre Tyrant:
Tenderiser
Wyrmstone Neck
Gut Maw
heavy armor

Dwarf Lord:
Weap: MR of Smiting
Armor:MR of Steel, Rune of Stone
Shield

Or you could always go with my favorite dueling character a HE Archmage with Folaraith's Robe, Talisman of Saphery, and the Jewel of the dusk. It's 355pts of endless duels.

For those of you unfamiliar with the items, the mage cannot make attack, can only be harmed by magical attacks, and the talisman turns all magic weapons in base contact into mundane items.

He will never win a duel, but he will almost always stall something really powerful.

It's more for fun than anything else.

Turalon wrote:Or you could always go with my favorite dueling character a HE Archmage with Folaraith's Robe, Talisman of Saphery, and the Jewel of the dusk. It's 355pts of endless duels.

For those of you unfamiliar with the items, the mage cannot make attack, can only be harmed by magical attacks, and the talisman turns all magic weapons in base contact into mundane items.

He will never win a duel, but he will almost always stall something really powerful.

It's more for fun than anything else.

On that note, what happens if the HE unit hosting the Archmage causes a break test on the opposing unit and they break while the Archmage and the opposing character are in a challenge? Will the opposing challenger run as well?

DE assassin, additional hand weapon, rune of khaine, reroll 1s poison and killing blow
171pts

will kill any secondary character and give any primary characters a headache

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:

Turalon wrote:Or you could always go with my favorite dueling character a HE Archmage with Folaraith's Robe, Talisman of Saphery, and the Jewel of the dusk. It's 355pts of endless duels.

For those of you unfamiliar with the items, the mage cannot make attack, can only be harmed by magical attacks, and the talisman turns all magic weapons in base contact into mundane items.

He will never win a duel, but he will almost always stall something really powerful.

It's more for fun than anything else.

On that note, what happens if the HE unit hosting the Archmage causes a break test on the opposing unit and they break while the Archmage and the opposing character are in a challenge? Will the opposing challenger run as well?

Well I think that the opposing character should run.

I maybe wrong, but I don't think there is anything in the rule book about not being able to flee while being in a challenge.

Again, my idea is more for fun because it counters pretty much every listed example in this thread. Well except the bloodthirster.

Dark Elf Dreadlords can be pretty damn nasty with the right gear.

And with the mad inverse-ward-save-thing, the harder you hit him, the better his defense is.

On that note, what happens if the HE unit hosting the Archmage causes a break test on the opposing unit and they break while the Archmage and the opposing character are in a challenge? Will the opposing challenger run as well?

Yes, they are still considered part of the unit. If his unit breaks, he breaks.

@Turalon, that combo is brilliant. So much fun to be had with that.

@Rocksteadygreen - I've run similar Princes before, and they are pretty good. Anything that ignores armor (no armor save) will kill that guy pretty quickly. The bigger threat is the Star Dragon, not the Prince Riding it.

I just learned yesterday that dwarf lords cAn be broken in a duel


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On a similar note , I tried my Oldblood build for LM (see page 1) but put him on a carnosaur instead. WOW dis that pair run rampant

Lehnsherr wrote:
@Turalon, that combo is brilliant. So much fun to be had with that.

Just watch out for vampire counts, wood elves and daemons.
My wight king would love to meet that wizard.

-Matt

My wight king would love to meet that wizard

If he wants to take the mage out for tea and crumpets, then sure. Otherwise, I'd prefer he stay away.

Hmm no unkillable dreadlord yet?

Dreadlord
- dark steed
- heavy armour
- Sea Dragon's Cloak
- Shield
- Sword of Might
- Dragonhelm
- Pendant of Khaeleth
- Crown of Command

I believe that's the set up. You get like a 1+ armour save and a reverse ward save from PoK. Also a parry and some other things. I don't quite recall everything right at this moment.

You dont get a parry when on a mount as far as I know.

Ah, yeah you don't. Sorry, still learning WHFB rules.

Hey dont worry you learned that now so woot.

Black ork warboss.

Cant take a hit but it has str 7 and like 97 attacks.
(Only a minor exaggeration) lol

I chose Dark Elves probably becuase that's the only army i play but there is a good reason for my choice too.

Assassin
Extra Hand Weapon, Manbane, Touch of Death

This guy is just deadly. He has killing blow, wounds on a 3+ anyway and has plenty of attacks. Ok, maybe he doesn't duel as such but its the same concept he can kill stuff easily

Aside from this Warriors of Chaos are deadly in close combat duels i find.

Have to throw my vote in with Empire: Van Horrstman's Speculum (isn't that the tool gynecologists use?) is so good that most of the high powered opponents will have to avoid him. In a one on one straight fight, an Empire character will beat just about anything that is thrown at him. Unless of course he runs into the Changeling. Then the universe just divides by 0 and explodes.

Chaos Lord
Mark of Tzeentch
Halberd
Shield
Talisman of Presevation
Armour of Damnation
Potion of Foolhardiness
Word of Agony

WS 8, S6, 5 attacks, 6 if you pop the potion. D6 S4 attacks with no armour save at the start of any combat. your opponent has to re-roll all successful rolls to hit you, and then when they do hit you get a 4+ armour save and a 3+ ward.

Tyrant
-Glittering Scales
-Greyback Pelt
-Dueling Blades
-Mawseeker

WS10 and -2 to be hit in CC. He can't be hit by anything less then 6+ and will hit most anything on a 3+ with 6, S5 attacks. If he does take a hit he is T6

/win

*EDIT*
Forgot to mention 5 wounds, thank folks.

*EDIT 2*
Sorry S5 attacks