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Kriswall wrote:This sort of thing is pretty standard. The GW nearest me just wrapped up a 2 month campaign with bonuses. If you purchased a unit in the store to use in the campaign, you got to pick a random card from a deck. Each card corresponded to a bonus... +1S, reroll attacks, etc. There were a ton of different bonuses. That unit would keep the bonus throughout the campaign.

See, I think this is cool and a really good way of encouraging people to buy from the store. So in reality, the people who'd have less luck would be the people who don't support the store they're playing at, which I'm cool with.

Personally I think the whole business about paying 100 euros for a re-roll is pretty hilarious. If I'm playing against some Neck-beard who paid 100 euros so that he could re-roll his Lascannon's penetration dice against my Leman Russ, I'd welcome it. Because in the end, the jakes are on him, not me. I can go on with my life and go have a fun evening afterward with the ~150 dollars I didn't spend on a re-roll, and the neckbeard just spent an absurd amount of money to win a toy soldier game.

Especially if he misses again. That was E100 well spent.

That's $143.21 in a GW store and $358.03 in an offical tournie?!??!

That's just straight up shenanigans....

I'll take ten!

Vladsimpaler wrote:
See, I think this is cool and a really good way of encouraging people to buy from the store. So in reality, the people who'd have less luck would be the people who don't support the store they're playing at, which I'm cool with.

What about people who bought their army from that store years ago? Or established players that don't need to buy anything?

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I'm willing to make a better offer. For $10, you can win any game against me outside of a tournament setting. For the admittance fee, you can win any game against me during a tournament.

Just to clear up some questions, if you purchase your re-roll from a North American IP you cannot use it in the Southern Hemisphere.

Southern Hemisphere re-rolls are available in official Games Workshop stores (950 Euros).

Re-rolls may suffer some loss of rigidity in hot weather.

LOL, I'm afraid it's true... I haven't been to any GW event this year, but they've played similar marketing stunts in the past.

I admit it's dumb, though.

Keep in mind that online stores don't offer free hobby advice, tables to play on, tables to paint on or a hobby community to become a part of. Not taking these things into consideration in your argument makes your argument weak. If you're the kind of person who has no intention of taking advantage of the hobby advice, gaming tables, painting tables or hobby community, then by all means shop online. Also, retail stores exist to make money. Everything they do is geared towards making money. To expect otherwise is naive. Of course offering a free reroll is an attempt to make more money. It probably worked with some people and not with others, just like every other marketing ploy out there.

Quite right. But having perspective bars you from posting in threads like these. Kindly remember that in future...

The 'miscasts' joke was pretty clever mind. If all the hecklers showed that level of witanti-GW bandwagonning would be a sight more amusing.

Kriswall wrote:Keep in mind that online stores don't offer free hobby advice, tables to play on, tables to paint on or a hobby community to become a part of.

If these things are only free to those that spend a certain amount of money at the store store during a certain time frame then they aren't at all free.

Well.. to be honest, if they slipped me just $10 over the table I would let them re-roll the dice. Cut out the middle man so to speak.

If these things are only free to those that spend a certain amount of money at the store store

My experience is that they are free to anyone. I haven't spent a penny in my locl GW shop this year and I still play there weekly or fortnightly. Sometimes twice weekly.

To be honest if I was playing someone who'd shelled out about £1000 in the shop this year, I'd not grudge him a couple of re-rolls -- he'd have done more in practical terms to support the shop than me and in a sense I'm freeloading on that.

The 'miscasts' joke was pretty clever mind. If all the hecklers showed that level of witanti-GW bandwagonning would be a sight more amusing.

There have been plenty of witty comments at GW's expense which is not difficult given their prices.
You just need to get around more or is that need to stay in more...

Now I'm confused...

Well most of those comments were pretty feeble. Not compared to mis-casting dice which is rather clever.

I'd also add that when I moved to my current house six years ago, my local GW shop allowwed me to play almost straight away and find plenty of opponents. What bastards GW are providing a free service like that.

It's people like you who are KILLING THE HOBBY Pacific
To get the maximum usable number of re-rolls for a tournament game with my Orks I'd ONLY have to spend 1,650,600 euro! That's a BARGAIN. So for your average 6 round tourny that's only 9,903,600!
Man, I take it all back. GW are marketing savants!
Edit, woah, I had misread the OP as being 300 per tourney re-roll! It's really only around 8 million for a tournament's worth! EVEN BETTER!

htj wrote:Especially if he misses again. That was E100 well spent.

More like E150 well, spent.

SkaerKrow wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
See, I think this is cool and a really good way of encouraging people to buy from the store. So in reality, the people who'd have less luck would be the people who don't support the store they're playing at, which I'm cool with.

What about people who bought their army from that store years ago? Or established players that don't need to buy anything?

If it's a campaign then you're going to be adding new units/bulking up forces anyway, so it's just an extra bonus.

If not, well, it sucks but that's what it is. I'm not denying there are some cons to the idea, however overall it's a good one.

Criticism on THIS thread is jumping on the anti-GW bandwagon?

I thought you were referring to comments in general but if one is not allowed to criticise without being dismissively accused of bandwagoning...
Good grief man

Sorry, I was just exaggerating for effect. Terrible habit. Can't think where I picked it up.

The game is already skewed in favour of people who can afford the more expensive, and thus more powerful, units. Now spending large amount means you get a "free reroll" to use in a game? It's just a reflection of how much money and winning is now encouraged above fairness and good gaming. Buying rerolls of dice. What if I don't accept the validity of your "reroll" card?

Kriswall wrote:Keep in mind that online stores don't offer free hobby advice, tables to play on, tables to paint on or a hobby community to become a part of.

GW doesn't do much of that either without it being an extended sales pitch. What, you think those things are there out the kindness of their hearts? It's only for noobs, who needs painting advice and a table to paint on?

"Free hobby advice" - You can get that online, a huge variety and top quality and really inspirational. Like what White Dwarf articles were like 20 years ago.

"Tables to play on" - Fair enough, if you like playing in a shop but it's not that hard to find a local group or meet at a home with friends, then you can play however you like at the table and don't have a member of staff telling you that you can only use GW terrain and trying to sell you more Space Marines.

"Tables to paint on" - If you can afford GW figures you can afford a table. Honestly, painting in a shop sounds like hell.

"A hobby community to become a part of" - Yeah, the GW hobby where you can only show and discuss stuff they approve of. The best hobby communities are outside of GW stores where you are free of their corporate bs.

Artemo wrote:

If these things are only free to those that spend a certain amount of money at the store store

My experience is that they are free to anyone. I haven't spent a penny in my locl GW shop this year and I still play there weekly or fortnightly. Sometimes twice weekly.

To be honest if I was playing someone who'd shelled out about £1000 in the shop this year, I'd not grudge him a couple of re-rolls -- he'd have done more in practical terms to support the shop than me and in a sense I'm freeloading on that.

Dang! A card? That's sort of lame.

My friend runs a charity tournament, and you 'buy' loaded dice for rerolls. For $3, you get one die. For $5 you get two. You buy them, and set them down on the table with whatever side you want facing up. Plus, you get to keep the dice (which have his charity listed on one face).

Better price, better result, and a tangible benefit, both for you, and for the charity.

GW's cheating is weaksauce. I don't really have much of a problem with the concept, but the execution seems cheap.

(It was annoying, but funny, when my Bretonnian opponent bought two d6s and used one to hit my Ghorgon, and the other to Heroic Killing Blow him. Sure, I lost a model, but the charity got $5 out of that one combat!).

Well you didn't get it from me Artemo, that's for sure
I never, ever exaggerate, not in a million years...


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vile.

There sure are some bunched-up panties in this thread. I've seen stuff like this before where the store had a raffle or something on and for every fiver or tenner you put in you got one re-roll in an in-store game. Since it was a random meaningless game with other people in the shop it meant pretty much nothing and was a bit of a laugh.

Corrode wrote:There sure are some bunched-up panties in this thread. I've seen stuff like this before where the store had a raffle or something on and for every fiver or tenner you put in you got one re-roll in an in-store game. Since it was a random meaningless game with other people in the shop it meant pretty much nothing and was a bit of a laugh.

+1.

Seriously, you're getting this upset at a store's sales promotion?

Ah, I see they are adapting the tried and tested "Kirby" tourney plan.

There's a big difference between £5 and £134 for a reroll.

I like the charity dice idea and they are cheap enough for everyone to have a go.

The GW price is more like sanctioning stupid rich people to cheat.