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Brother Azul wrote:
True dat my robe wearing battle brother. Blood angels are more emo then emos are.

Dark Angels are far superior for a number of reasons.
1. We are one of the original 20 legions. Maybel if you make a list like this it should start with something that isn't patently untrue. I can't even tell if you're bashing BA or BT anymore but since both are second founding they both are members of the original 20 legions. Eremiel was right to make his change, at least it's right.
2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour. running around wearing dresses is shared by whom, oh yes BTs, and the original legion armor of DA , black...weird
3. We have a purpose in life (find the fallen, who you aint supposed to know about), while BT just travel the galaxy mindless slaughtering anything with special powers.
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces. it's a good thing they put on all thier plot armor in Kadillus so that Boreas, Nester, Hephestus et al could get outsmarted by cypher and commit suicide
5. ?????
6. Profit.

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I might have said
1. First of the Legions
2. More ancient plasma weapon than anyone else
3. Deathwing
4. Ravenwing
4. Ironwing
5. Disagree and we'll interrogate you.

Blood Angels are definitely not more emo than Dark Angels. They get insane not sad because their Primarch dies, as anyone with the Black rage thinks they are Sanguinus fighting Horus over and over. They don't go around keeping secrets in their robes, because some human convinced some initiates to betray them. They have their problems and deal with it like men. Black Templars are the cooler choice in my opinion the crusader feel is awesome.

Brother Azul wrote:
Dark Angels are far superior for a number of reasons.
1. We are one of the original 20 legions.

You've got the Dark Angels' name. The Black Templars still do what the Emperor told the legions to do.

Brother Azul wrote:
2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour.

As has been pointed out, who else gets robes/tabards?

Brother Azul wrote:
3. We have a purpose in life (find the fallen, who you aint supposed to know about), while BT just travel the galaxy mindless slaughtering anything with special powers.

Performing the Emperor's orders are purpouse enough. The ranting of less pious Chapters are not to be taken seriously.

Brother Azul wrote:
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces.

Good for you. Our High Marshal deviced the plan that defeated Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka and all his friends, relatives and employees.

(As a side note, what's the source of this? I'm genuinely interested!)

Brother Azul wrote:
5. All hail the Black Templars, noblest and purest of Chapters. Rogal Dorn is every Space Marine's spiritual liege!

Brother Azul wrote:
6. Profit.

Indeed.

Eremiel wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:

shakey787 wrote:Right ive never understood the whole emo thing people say about DA's, i always think Blood angels are emo's they have "daddy left me issues" then get angry start self harming so get locked in a dark room till battle then get dressed in black oh and they seem the sensitive types with there crying face masks etc.
DA's are solemn and monastic not self hating.
And on a crusade to redeem themselves (hmmmm who else loves a crusade)

True dat my robe wearing battle brother. Blood angels are more emo then emos are.

Dark Angels are far superior for a number of reasons.
1. We are FIRST among the original 20 legions.
2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour.
3. We have a purpose in life (find the fallen, who you aint supposed to know about), while BT just travel the galaxy mindless slaughtering anything with special powers.
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces.
5. ?????
6. Profit.

Corrected for you Brother.

My thanks Brother.

1. We are one of the original 20 legions. Maybel if you make a list like this it should start with something that isn't patently untrue. I can't even tell if you're bashing BA or BT anymore but since both are second founding they both are members of the original 20 legions. Eremiel was right to make his change, at least it's right.

I am aware the BT are 2nd founding but Blood Angels are 1st founding are they not.

2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour. running around wearing dresses is shared by whom, oh yes BTs, and the original legion armor of DA , black...weird

BT wear tabards. Robes and tabards are different things.
TABARD ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabard
ROBE--------> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe

The black armour was too conformist so we decided to change up.

4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces. it's a good thing they put on all thier plot armor in Kadillus so that Boreas, Nester, Hephestus et al could get outsmarted by cypher and commit suicide

Touché.

I might have said
1. First of the Legions
2. More ancient plasma weapon than anyone else
3. Deathwing
4. Ravenwing
4. Ironwing
5. Disagree and we'll interrogate you.

What is the Ironwing. I am not familar with that term. Although I cant argue with 2 or 5. Starting to wish i had of thought of them

Nicholas wrote:Blood Angels are definitely not more emo than Dark Angels. They get insane not sad because their Primarch dies, as anyone with the Black rage thinks they are Sanguinus fighting Horus over and over.

Oh so Blood Angels are insane??? Purge them lest they become pawns of Chaos.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
Dark Angels are far superior for a number of reasons.
1. We are one of the original 20 legions.

You've got the Dark Angels' name. The Black Templars still do what the Emperor told the legions to do.

We do what we are asked... sometimes...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour.

As has been pointed out, who else gets robes/tabards?

See my above answer on robes and tabards.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
3. We have a purpose in life (find the fallen, who you aint supposed to know about), while BT just travel the galaxy mindless slaughtering anything with special powers.

Performing the Emperor's orders are purpouse enough. The ranting of less pious Chapters are not to be taken seriously.

Am i less pious or are you over zealous??

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces.

Good for you. Our High Marshal deviced the plan that defeated Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka and all his friends, relatives and employees.

Should we consider this one a tie due to the fact that neither of us manged to succeed in our task?

(As a side note, what's the source of this? I'm genuinely interested!)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Third_War_for_Armageddon

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
5. All hail the Black Templars, noblest and purest of Chapters. Rogal Dorn is every Space Marine's spiritual liege!

DEVIOUS MISCREANT! The AlmightyWalrus speaks lies and spins falsehoods. He must be purged. Wheres a Black Templar when you need one...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
6. Profit.

Indeed.

Yes some Blood Angels go insane do to a flaw in the geneseed, and the Inquisition knows it yet they aren't purged because they are completely loyal. No this does not mean they will be turned to Chaos as the visions the Black Rage gives them is fighting Chaos. The fact that they don't have to keep this secret from the Inquisition is just another reason why the secrets of the Dark Angels is unnecessary.

I wasn't being all that serious when i said purge them. To be honest I'd rather purge the Space Wolves. Rabid ferels they are. I'm a vampire at heart. (The Buffy/Angel kind, not the sparkly ones.)

If i were a member of the Ordo Hereticus I'd be purging the ass offa the DA's. But if i were then i would most likely be purging most things for far less. So its a situation you cant win...

Brother Azul wrote:

1. We are one of the original 20 legions. Maybel if you make a list like this it should start with something that isn't patently untrue. I can't even tell if you're bashing BA or BT anymore but since both are second founding they both are members of the original 20 legions. Eremiel was right to make his change, at least it's right.

I am aware the BT are 2nd founding but Blood Angels are 1st founding are they not.

I have somewhat of a bone of contention with the namesake chapters continuing to call themselves 1st founding. The chapters of the second founding were still part of the original legion, so either they are really first founding, or the namesakes are second. Since the 2nd founding was a total shake up of their organizational and doctrinal structure namesake legions like Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels were basically re-founded. So by technical canon, yes BA are first founding, but that means you are discounting the heritage of 2nd founding chapters that were original legion members. Just cause they have new names doesn't make them any less original legion members.

2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour. running around wearing dresses is shared by whom, oh yes BTs, and the original legion armor of DA , black...weird

BT wear tabards. Robes and tabards are different things.
TABARD ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabard
ROBE--------> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe

Yeah, I know the difference. that's why I said "dresses"

The black armour was too conformist so we decided to change up.

Umm, or to invade Caliban, wreck your homeworld and kill your brothers.

4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces. it's a good thing they put on all thier plot armor in Kadillus so that Boreas, Nester, Hephestus et al could get outsmarted by cypher and commit suicide

Touché.

I might have said
1. First of the Legions
2. More ancient plasma weapon than anyone else
3. Deathwing
4. Ravenwing
4. Ironwing
5. Disagree and we'll interrogate you.

What is the Ironwing. I am not familar with that term. Although I cant argue with 2 or 5. Starting to wish i had of thought of them

The Ironwing is from Epic mostly, it's basically everything that isnt DW or RW. In 40k its genrally made to be like an Armoured Company for DA.

AustonT wrote:I have somewhat of a bone of contention with the namesake chapters continuing to call themselves 1st founding. The chapters of the second founding were still part of the original legion, so either they are really first founding, or the namesakes are second. Since the 2nd founding was a total shake up of their organizational and doctrinal structure namesake legions like Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels were basically re-founded. So by technical canon, yes BA are first founding, but that means you are discounting the heritage of 2nd founding chapters that were original legion members. Just cause they have new names doesn't make them any less original legion members.

That's an interesting take on the issue. Don't know how well it would go down with the wider 40k community though.

AustonT wrote:Yeah, I know the difference. that's why I said "dresses"

Ah so you were using it as an all encompassing term. I'm with ya.

AustonT wrote:Umm, or to invade Caliban, wreck your homeworld and kill your brothers.

Think of it less as invading and more of a coming home and finding our house trashed by people we don't know, with which we proceeded to throw them out. Forcefully.

AustonT wrote:The Ironwing is from Epic mostly, it's basically everything that isnt DW or RW. In 40k its genrally made to be like an Armoured Company for DA.

So the iron wing a specific force? Say like combat squads all in Razorbacks or Tac squads in rhinos/landraiders.

Brother Azul wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces.

Good for you. Our High Marshal deviced the plan that defeated Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka and all his friends, relatives and employees.

Should we consider this one a tie due to the fact that neither of us manged to succeed in our task?

(As a side note, what's the source of this? I'm genuinely interested!)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Third_War_for_Armageddon

liquidjoshi wrote:Not Dark Angels because they are over perfidious nutcases?

Fixed that for you.




Templars won the poll!




On a side note: Templars are also part of the original Legions. In fact the Templars are the Veterans and Elite of the Fists Legion, which performed a bit better than the Dark Angels legion.

Dark Scipio wrote:

Templars won the poll.

Was there ever any doubt?

So much red text on this page... Giving me a headache.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Templars won the poll.

Was there ever any doubt?

Never, but you have to to rub it in.



Ceterum censeo Codexark Angels esse delendam

Watch the non-english language.

Brother Azul wrote:That's an interesting take on the issue. Don't know how well it would go down with the wider 40k community though.

Other than the pesky "founding" issue the legacy of ALL 2nd founding Chapters is in a Legion. That's straight canon, the first chapters that didn't fight in the Legions were 3rd founding as they were created rather than reorganized.

Brother Azul wrote:Think of it less as invading and more of a coming home and finding our house trashed by people we don't know, with which we proceeded to throw them out. Forcefully.

Or more properly coming home to find the guy who pays 50% of the rent in your house and attacking him for playing Journey on the radio.

Brother Azul wrote:So the iron wing a specific force? Say like combat squads all in Razorbacks or Tac squads in rhinos/landraiders.

Kind of, yeah. I honestly cant even remember if they were formally included in 40k. Generally the Ironwing is precieved like the RW all tanks, so the only playable way to do it would be to mech everyone. But the Epic rules didnt actually require you to take vehicles, you could run all tacs and devs and foot slog.

woodbok wrote:So much red text on this page... Giving me a headache.

Mission Accomplished. Actually I just couldnt read in blue or yellow and green irritates MY eyes.

Dark Scipio wrote:


On a side note: Templars are also part of the original Legions. In fact the Templars are the Veterans and Elite of the Fists Legion, which performed a bit better than the Dark Angels legion.

Actually, Black Templars were the most over-zealous and fanatical of the Fists,

Source: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Black_Templars

All the veterans and elite of the Fists stayed as Imperial Fists, which is probably what happened with all of the other legions as well.

AustonT wrote:Yeah the Army Painter thread was pretty epic. It still has my Trolldar pinging. You missed the "make my friend stop changing armies" thread started by our Dark Angels, no Blood Angels, no Tau, no Templar and bash DA...OP.

Um yeah it doesn't mean I change armies, for I am a collector. I collect, model, and paint better then I play by a long shot. I don't really need too big of an army if I don't play as much. I chose Lord of Baal for epic Blood Angel fluff. Tau pic because that is my first army, and Black Templars because I like their chapter a bunch. Come on, I know I don't make very good threads ad stuff but I am only a beginner and I don't really do forums that much. Can't you give a kid almost 10 years younger than you a break? Really, Inane?

Easy, Sisters... Earn your victories!

Black Templars are far superior for a number of reasons.
1.We are the most supreme crusade and the longest to survive.
2.We get awesome black power armour to hide in the shadows, the best color armour.
3. We also have a purpose in life, which is to die for the Emporer and slaughter everything that is of harm to him.
4.We have saved the Emporers life many many times, far more than you have.
5.??????
6.We don't even need profit, the Emporer thriving is an honer itself.
7. A lot of your reasons are opinions, so are mine.

I like Dark Angels slightly more.

Not even cloudy with a chance of meatballs. Oh wait i'm actually a vegitarian.

shakey787 wrote:look look cant we all just agree that space wolves are just terrible

QFE

I'm a hardcore BT player, but respect DA and like their style. Especially the Fortress of Redemption, such a sexy piece of terrain.

Awesome!

BT!

BT always and for ever!

Lord of Baal wrote:

AustonT wrote:Yeah the Army Painter thread was pretty epic. It still has my Trolldar pinging. You missed the "make my friend stop changing armies" thread started by our Dark Angels, no Blood Angels, no Tau, no Templar and bash DA...OP.

Um yeah it doesn't mean I change armies, for I am a collector. I collect, model, and paint better then I play by a long shot. I don't really need too big of an army if I don't play as much. I chose Lord of Baal for epic Blood Angel fluff. Tau pic because that is my first army, and Black Templars because I like their chapter a bunch. Come on, I know I don't make very good threads ad stuff but I am only a beginner and I don't really do forums that much. Can't you give a kid almost 10 years younger than you a break? Really, Inane?

Oh, just for fun I'll answer these backwards.
Yes inane, lacking in significance. See also banal.
Your not, "almost" a decade younger than than me you are "more than". And I won't give you a break because you misrepresent yourself (see further below) and I don't believe age should shield you from answering for your actions.
As for your explanation of your mismatched name and pic you changed your name when you army jumped, and now yakface wont let you change again to your interest of the week.
If you were a collector you wouldn't post looking for army list help and how to build DA, BA, then Tau. I can only assume "help starting a BT army" is only hours away.
I hope that clears up any confusion

AustonT wrote:
Oh, just for fun I'll answer these backwards.
Yes inane, lacking in significance. See also banal.
Your not, "almost" a decade younger than than me you are "more than". And I won't give you a break because you misrepresent yourself (see further below) and I don't believe age should shield you from answering for your actions.
As for your explanation of your mismatched name and pic you changed your name when you army jumped, and now yakface wont let you change again to your interest of the week.
If you were a collector you wouldn't post looking for army list help and how to build DA, BA, then Tau. I can only assume "help starting a BT army" is only hours away.
I hope that clears up any confusion

QFT

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I meant the source for the Dark Angels beating Ghaz, not the one where my own Chapter did. Sorry if I was unclear, I was considering rewording my post, but I decided that I'd rather kill me some heretics.

My mistake. The source for DA defeating Ghaz is the 'Purging of Kadillus' book. The Pincina IV PDF force was present but they didnt do much apart from hold Koth ridge and stand around get shot at.

AustonT wrote:Or more properly coming home to find the guy who pays 50% of the rent in your house and attacking him for playing Journey on the radio.

Well it's his own fault. Journey was the last straw.

AustonT wrote:Kind of, yeah. I honestly cant even remember if they were formally included in 40k. Generally the Ironwing is precieved like the RW all tanks, so the only playable way to do it would be to mech everyone. But the Epic rules didnt actually require you to take vehicles, you could run all tacs and devs and foot slog.

An all mech marine company could be an interesting army to run. I might just have to try it at some point.

AustonT wrote:

woodbok wrote:So much red text on this page... Giving me a headache.

Mission Accomplished. Actually I just couldnt read in blue or yellow and green irritates MY eyes.

Hate it when people post in blue. Makes it so hard to see.

Before there is a new DA codex I hate to even endorse this but a counts as BA force would work best. In apoc you could run DW and RW to get your DA characters and run the counts as for the fast tanks as an Ironwing.

Hey yeah that could work. I would have just put all the tac squads in rhinos and and devs and command in razor backs. But with your way i get access to Baal preds (hmm assault cannony goodness) and i can chuck in a Monolith or two because the Necrons would be counts as bros.

In a non apoc game i could run command and 4 combat squads and devs in razorbacks and 2 full tac squads in rhinos. Maybe feasible in a 2000pts match