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**Lord Rogukiel**

Tagboard Wizard wrote:So, I've been thinking about this alot more since I just last posted.

SoB and Necrons seem to be very reasonable, considering the AoBR box set... Reasons as follows:

+ IoM versus the evil Xeno theme is still adhered to, even if it's not Ultra-Smurfs

+ The Necron have Gauss weaponry, Sisters have the 6+ save standard (now)

+ Just like in AoBR we have a MEQ vrs Non-MEQ

+ the AoBR was built around utilizing a wide verity and kinds of troops (Walkers, Jetbikes, assault weapons, rapid fire and heavy weapons, 2+ saves, 5++ saves) all of these are very clearly available between SoB and Necrons. with Acro-Flagellants we even have some 5+ saves in large numbers just like orks. Sisters have the Flame template covered. Necrons can cover the Small Blast (Assuming they still have one in the new codex)

+ It would explain why they pumped out a SoB WD codex so... Haphazardly....

+ they are already releasing Neon green plastic with the templates, so the Green dowels for the Gauss weaponry isn't a stretch.

+ a squad of 20 sisters, in plastic, will make this starter box fly off the shelves. even with a sub-par codex. hell even if it's a squad of 10 sisters (Ala Smurfs) they will still do well.

Just think of AoBR but sisters play the Orks instead. Necron's will be the sought after army with their new book (unless they get the tyranid treatment) so finding sisters on the web will be a nice cheap alternative to years of pewter we had to deal with.

I'm starting to believe this could be a possibility, even if it's still a bit of a stretch...

A logical theory if I've ever seen one. I would probably buy that set. This may seem an outdated question, but do we have any idea when the 6th ed will be coming out?

**juraigamer**

Most previous speculation points to it being a SoB vs CSM set. Time will tell.

**AustonT**

RaptorsTallon wrote:I have no idea if this is true or not, but I think someone told me it might be:

Imperial Guard vs Chaos Marines
or
Imperial Guard vs Tyranids

There is ZERO chance IG will go in a starter box. It takes too many models to make points. Look at the AoBR set, they had to put a Dreaddie and Terminators in the set. What are they going to do for IG 2 squads 2 lascannons 3 sentinels and a Russ?

I was under the impression the rumor was no Xenos in addition to no Smurfs. I don't know if Necrons count as Xenos (I think yes). The most plausible disorder race in the box are CSM, it's really a matter of what Order force that's not Xenos goes in the Box. IG are out, see above. SoB are a long shot but I'd love to see that be a limited plastic release for them. They'll NEVER put GK in there, so a codex or divergent SM...really SMx2? At least part of the rumor can't be true. Either smurfs are in or Xenos are.

**Mahtamori**

Yup, the most solid rumour so far is "no ultramarines and no aliens". That means Imperial Guard as well as non-standard Marines are possible as well as Chaos Marines and possibly, maybe, perhaps, Daemons.

Eldar and Tau are a definite "NO they won't be in the starter set".

My personal bet is Chaos Space Marines vs Black Templars, and that both will have a new codex in extreme proximity to the launch.

AustonT: I haven't even looked at AOBR, but is it even even in points? I have heard the Orks and SM lists are designed to have the Orks lose.

**AustonT**

Space Marines 590 Orks 450
Unless I missed some wargear fiddle faddle on oneside or the other. It is not even which is a limitation imposed more by the cheapness of orks and the number of sprues. 5 more nobs would bring them almost even but still not make it a fair game.

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Maybe we'll all be blown away and there will be a new poster child vanilla marine chapter.

**PraetorDave**

Mahtamori wrote:AustonT: I haven't even looked at AOBR, but is it even even in points? I have heard the Orks and SM lists are designed to have the Orks lose.

It is in points, it even tells the points values. The problem is that the marines have literally 150 more points than the orks. However, it really is a well matched set (IMO), because of the unit choices. Check it:
SM:
Captain (PW, Bolter)
5 Termies (PF, Storm Bolter)
10 Tactical marines (flamer, missile launcher)
Dreadnought (MM, storm bolter)

Orks:
Warboss (shoota, PK)
5 nobz (CCW/Slugga)
20 boyz (2 big shootas, all with CCW/BP)
3 deffkoptas (TL Rokkits)

So each unit has another unit that it matches up with. Deffkoptas can shoot the dread. Tacticals can template the boyz. Boyz can drown the tacticals in shots (especially with the big shootas). If nobz get the charge, they can drown the termies, if termies shoot, then charge they can best the nobz. It is rather evenly matched, even though the points aren't equal.

**DPBellathrom**

I think I'll be GK's against khorne daemons with some dead SoBs to serve as obj makers and hats for the GKs

That being said I would LOVE to see sisters in the starter set. Flashy cannoness, 20 sobs with a flamer and a multi-melta, a penitant engine and...I dunno...some repentia ala AOBR (commander, 2 units of basic troops W/ spec weapons, fists and a walker) would make for a very nice starter set.

Problem is girl marines with boobz and half naked gimpy women witn moar boobz will upset mums and their 13 year olds -_-

**Deadshot**

585 for SM,450 for Orks.The orks have 4 models that can harm ther Dreadnouhgt's front and sides.The Warbosses PK,and 3 JKoptas with Rokkits.The sluggas and TL Shoota can glance the back,the Big Shoota can pem,but with a Tac squad and 5 Terminators to go through,they won't be at the back,not forgetting the Dread itself.

**PraetorDave**

DPBellathrom wrote:Problem is girl marines with boobz and half naked gimpy women witn moar boobz will upset mums and their 13 year olds -_-

I really don't think the 13 year olds would have a problem with the boobs

just the Mum's. Actually that might actually increase sales, since a lot of parents just get their kids whatever, without examining whats exactly inside.

**AustonT**

IF the rumors are wrong and Smurfs go in the box. I should petition GW to put a slip with my Facebook on it in every set so I can bully them via the Internets. As a side note, if you play ultras and you see this: what's ur facebook?

**Mahtamori**

PraetorDave wrote:
Mahtamori wrote:AustonT: I haven't even looked at AOBR, but is it even even in points? I have heard the Orks and SM lists are designed to have the Orks lose.

It is in points, it even tells the points values. The problem is that the marines have literally 150 more points than the orks.

That's pretty much what I had heard. Marines+150 vs Orks+0. So, in other words, the extra dreadnough you spoke of earlier is in reality overkill. An IG army wouldn't be too far off that Ork army in terms of models. An HQ unit (1-3 models), some Guardsmen (20-ish models) maybe a heavy weapon team or two, and one or two of the lesser tanks.

I think the real problem with the box set we have at the moment is that you can't get enough variation with Space Marines - quite simply the Space Marines would have too few models at the point range which would be suitable for the box. They want to make a spread of models and they want to present a box which internally offer models to paint and collect - on the gaming side of it the value of each model is vastly different from the collectible side of the hobby and GW are prioritizing giving the kids as equal number of toys as possible rather than as equal efficiency game.

So, bottom line I'm trying to make, IG are pretty much a decent choice, but not necessarily combined with Space Marines. Chaos Space Marines, maybe, if they get traitors and cultists in the mix.

**AustonT**

Or thy could go back to the Battle for Maccrage and only put 200pts in the Box...

**infinite_array**

Lord Rogukiel wrote: This may seem an outdated question, but do we have any idea when the 6th ed will be coming out?

Rumors - as much as we can trust them - put it at late 2012. Sooner, if GW is losing as much money as we think it is and needs a new edition to generate sales.

**Mahtamori**

AustonT wrote:Or thy could go back to the Battle for Maccrage and only put 200pts in the Box...

Yup, which was fleshed out with a decent amount of terrain and the odd unusable extra model. Personally I'd prefer this one, since it also provides something to play the game with.

**1hadhq**

Mahtamori wrote:Yup, the most solid rumour so far is "no ultramarines and no aliens". That means Imperial Guard as well as non-standard Marines are possible as well as Chaos Marines and possibly, maybe, perhaps, Daemons.

Eldar and Tau are a definite "NO they won't be in the starter set".

My personal bet is Chaos Space Marines vs Black Templars, and that both will have a new codex in extreme proximity to the launch.

The bet on CSM I would deem a good choice.
Black Templars? Not happening. Marines vs Marines isn't likely.

DPBellathrom wrote:I think I'll be GK's against khorne daemons with some dead SoBs to serve as obj markers and thats for the GKs

That being said I would LOVE to see sisters in the starter set.

Problem is girl marines with boobz and half naked gimpy women with moar boobz will upset mums and their 13 year olds -_-

No. Mums over here wouldn't mind girls/boobs.
Problem is sisters could get new models and if they are as complicated as rumored to get right, these shouldn't fit into an easy to assemble starter box. Think of GK and the basic 'snap fit' orks/marines. The blinged out armies aren't an option for this.
Models with flat surfaces and less variety in a squad are. Or horde style models, where the individual is not focused on.

The viable choice is chaos. Easy to assemble basic line troops, plastic dread, some sort of basic villain IC.

Thus +1 to chaos in the starter box.

Heard once the opponent could be Tau. But they are xenos...

**Deadshot**

Far better set.Ther game was fair.Better units for amrines,but nids had more and got to respawn.There was terrain and a campaign booklet.

**English Assassin**

'Fair' is pretty meaningless when discussing Warhammer 40,000's points values; they're thoroughly arbitrary and inconsistent. The Assault on Black Reach set gives both sides sufficient models for an entertaining scrap, which is quite adequate for new players - the boxed set's target.

**Commisar Von Humps**

God i would love it if they put Templars and unique models for them in the box.

**RandomSauce19**

I think BA and CSM or possibly IG vs Tau,Necrons or Nids?

**Nightfall**

I would like to see Marines and Eldar in box, or Imperial guard for once.

**DPBellathrom**

the whole "upset with boobz" thing was a joke but saddly something that may be a real deterent :/

Apparently the problem with them was that it was hard to make the kit multi pose but I cant see how it would be hard to do them in snap fit where there's about 4 different poses at best. It would still be possible to make each one different. Also it would be a great way to do an update for SoBs the following month like they did with space marines

Though I woud probibly have better luck wishing for an all slaanesh starter set ;_;

**AustonT**

Commisar Von Humps wrote:God i would love it if they put Templars and unique models for them in the box.

bwahahaha. Like all the unique models in AoBR? The best model that has ever been in a starter set was the LT whats his face in BfM

**Deadshot**

The Imperial Navy Pilot?He is on the GK showcase pg in the BRB.Is he not a buyable model?

**Coolyo294**

Nope.

**Cadorius**

It'll be GK vs Plague Marines. Now you too can carve your name upon Mortarion's rotting heart

**Deadshot**

Coolyo294 wrote:Nope.

Sweet,I have a collector's model.I use him as a Bolt pistol Scout.

**PraetorDave**

AustonT wrote:
Commisar Von Humps wrote:God i would love it if they put Templars and unique models for them in the box.

bwahahaha. Like all the unique models in AoBR? The best model that has ever been in a starter set was the LT whats his face in BfM

While not unique, plastic deffkoptas are pretty sweet, you can't deny that. Plus, AoBR is the only way to get a MM for your dread.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Tagboard Wizard wrote:So, I've been thinking about this alot more since I just last posted.

SoB and Necrons seem to be very reasonable, considering the AoBR box set... Reasons as follows:

+ The Necron have Gauss weaponry, Sisters have the 6+ save standard (now)

I'm starting to believe this could be a possibility, even if it's still a bit of a stretch...

Wait...SoB no longer have 3+ saves? That's not right.

**Matt.Kingsley**

they have a 3+/6++ save

**AustonT**

PraetorDave wrote:[
While not unique, plastic deffkoptas are pretty sweet, you can't deny that.

The Deffcopters are nicer than the models that were in production when the box came out, Im too lazy to check if they have new models.

PraetorDave wrote:Plus, AoBR is the only way to get a MM for your dread.

I know this isnt fair:

or IS it?