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1: Exalted Greater Daemons could probably beat a none acceded Primarch

2: 'Normal' Greater Daemons cannot be compared to Primarchs

3: The Grey Knights have one advantage that lets them fight Greater Daemons, the names of the Daemons. The Primachs did not have such Knowledge

4: The Primarch's that battled Greater Daemons may not have survived if the Gods of Chaos had not stopped their servants from doing so

5: The first time Angel boy fought a Greater Daemon, he had his ass handed to him

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

@OP: Members like Harriticus are on the ball. Duels between each could go either way depending on how powerful the Greater Daemon in question is. On average, low-level Chaos GD's will eventually get slapped down after an intense and tedious duel but the most exalted daemons would likely be victorious. The ruleset for both DP Angron and FW's Greater Daemons is a strong testament to the power levels involved. TF also have a good set of makeshift rules for Primarchs too.

Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

You are trying to troll me and it's making me laugh.

rockerbikie wrote:

Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

You are trying to troll me and it's making me laugh.

Your relentless fanboy Crusade is hilarious.

Durza wrote:Or he would... if he weren't dead.

He did during his lifetime
And the second time Ka'Bandha shows up, Sanguinius kicks his ass.

So he's killed one Greater Daemon. It's not much of a breakfast.

It took him two times to do so, it's not really that great.

blood reaper wrote:It took him two times to do so, it's not really that great.

As of current fluff, Ka'Bhanda is apparently the strongest Bloodthirster.

And in their second fight, Ka'Bhanda managed to sneak attack Sanguinius, casting him to the ground, and Sanguinius still broke his back.

So apparently Sanguinius, who Corax seems to believe is probably weaker than Angron, bested the strongest Bloodthirster, despite being caught off guard.

I am just saying.

Primarch! No Contest!

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Primarch! No Contest!

You give no reason, there is allot of contest.

blood reaper wrote:It took him two times to do so, it's not really that great.

The first time he was tricked by Horus to be ambushed and probably had no idea what a daemon is.
Even after he's dead, Sanguinor defeated Ka'Banda once again!

rockerbikie wrote:

Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

You are trying to troll me and it's making me laugh.

Careful, accusations of trolling are a good way to get suspended around here.

More specifically, how am I trolling? You ARE posting in the wrong thread, since we're discussing Primarchs vs. Greater Daemons in general. Since Leman Russ never fought a GD, how is he relevant? But hey, I'll play along. Let's look at a few categories and try to find one where he would be considered "the best".

Best politician? Hardly, he's constantly picking fights with his brothers.
Best tactician/strategist? Far from it, Space Wolves mostly just lope over there and hit things with their axes.
Best logistician/administrator? He probably doesn't even know what those words mean.
Best scholar/intellectual? His idea of a good use for a library is burning it to the ground.
Best psyker? The extent of his psychic abilities is yelling really loud and annoying other psykers.

Best warrior? Ah, finally a category where he may have a shot. Except, of course, he and the Lion fought on even ground, Kurze beat the Lion, Kurze and Corax were evenly matched, and Corax considered Horus, Angron and Sanguinius to be better fighters than him. So at best, he comes in at number 6, sharing a spot with the Lion.

So again, I ask you, how am I trolling?

Russ would win the drinking contest lol!

If you want to know who is more powerful, I say the Primarch. If you want to know who would win in an opposition of some form, I think that some greater daemons could beat the Traitor Primarchs, since the Chaos Primarchs have the tactical smarts of a Girl Scout troop.

Jackster wrote:Russ would win the drinking contest lol!

Damn, you got me on that one. As the Emperor said, he is the best glutton and drunk.

I stand corrected, Russ wins after all.

well im pretty sure angle boy picked up a bloodthirster and broke his back so...

plus going by the 40k rules where people like lysandar or vulkan would have a chance of winning
And they are like 100 times worse than a primarch...

iproxtaco wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

You are trying to troll me and it's making me laugh.

Your relentless fanboy Crusade is hilarious.

I pitted my Primarch against a Greator Daemons and you cried about it. I don't think that is a relentless fanboy Crusade. I also like other things than Space Wolves like Wood Elves, White Scars and Red Corsairs but you obviously have your Pious Elitist attiude.

Humbaba wrote:well im pretty sure angle boy picked up a bloodthirster and broke his back so...

plus going by the 40k rules where people like lysandar or vulkan would have a chance of winning
And they are like 100 times worse than a primarch...

Angle boy was trashed the first time he met the Bloodthirster. Taking 40k rules is possible but not particularly exact.
Still, if you wish to take 40k rules then let's have a look at the only daemon primarch which has any rules at all, Angron.
While Angron's stats are slightly better ( +1 more Str, W, I and attack ) the difference isn't that great.
As a mortal Angron would have probably been weaker than as a daemonprimarch so i doubt that 30k Angron's tabletop
stats would be higher than those of a Bloodthirster.

rockerbikie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:No contest, Leman Russ wins.

You're posting in the wrong thread. And there is no category in which Leman Russ wins.

You are trying to troll me and it's making me laugh.

Your relentless fanboy Crusade is hilarious.

I pitted my Primarch against a Greator Daemons and you cried about it. I don't think that is a relentless fanboy Crusade. I also like other things than Space Wolves like Wood Elves, White Scars and Red Corsairs but you obviously have your Pious Elitist attiude.

In your latest sojourn from the Chain Fiction subforum, all you've done is moan about people's grammar and how your Space Wolves are "misunderstood". Or, this unseasoned drivel. You're a fanboy, no problem, I really like the Word Bearers. It'd be fine if you actually posted a reason why Leman Russ would beat a Greater Daemon because so far, thanks to Omegus, things aren't looking so great.

Humbaba wrote:well im pretty sure angle boy picked up a bloodthirster and broke his back so...

plus going by the 40k rules where people like lysandar or vulkan would have a chance of winning
And they are like 100 times worse than a primarch...

I don't know who angle boy is, but Sanguinus was beat by the strongest, it's name escapes me, blood thirster in their first fight. He then wins the second fight while simultaneously fighting off the hordes of Chaos. Whether it was written by different authors or not I don't know, but I would take them as being evenly matched as both are 1-1. Considering said blood thirster was said to be the strongest would tell me that and average one would stand less of a chance.

KingDeath wrote:Angle boy was trashed the first time he met the Bloodthirster. Taking 40k rules is possible but not particularly exact.
Still, if you wish to take 40k rules then let's have a look at the only daemon primarch which has any rules at all, Angron.
While Angron's stats are slightly better ( +1 more Str, W, I and attack ) the difference isn't that great.
As a mortal Angron would have probably been weaker than as a daemonprimarch so i doubt that 30k Angron's tabletop
stats would be higher than those of a Bloodthirster.

Since Sanguinius broke the back of the strongest of Khorne's Bloodthirsters and Corax seems to believe Angron is even mightier than Sanguinius in martial combat, the WD stats seem inaccurate.

Void__Dragon wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Angle boy was trashed the first time he met the Bloodthirster. Taking 40k rules is possible but not particularly exact.
Still, if you wish to take 40k rules then let's have a look at the only daemon primarch which has any rules at all, Angron.
While Angron's stats are slightly better ( +1 more Str, W, I and attack ) the difference isn't that great.
As a mortal Angron would have probably been weaker than as a daemonprimarch so i doubt that 30k Angron's tabletop
stats would be higher than those of a Bloodthirster.

Since Sanguinius broke the back of the strongest of Khorne's Bloodthirsters and Corax seems to believe Angron is even mightier than Sanguinius in martial combat, the WD stats seem inaccurate.

The strongest Bloodthirster so far encountered by the Imperium of Man is Angrath the Unbound. Ka'bandha, certainly a mighty bloodthirster but not the greatest, actually managed to best Sanguinius on
Signus Prime but, for some perverse reason, didn't finish him of. The angelic primarch got his revenge on terra so i certainly think that both were more or less evenly matched, one being victorious at Signus and the other at the siege of Terra.

I would say, from weakest to strongest Greater Daemon->Primarch->Daemon Primarch.

I think it's interesting that this is actually even being debated, in usual super hero vs. super hero fights you try and compare feats to keep fanboyism to a minimum.

There are a few good examples of Primarch vs. Greater Daemon, Sanguinius vs. Ka'Bandha, the absolute strongest Bloodthirster against a Primarch in the top 3 (In Corax's opinion) of Martial Prowess. Basically a tie, they each beat each other once with Sanguinius actually finishing the Job when the game was on the line.

Fulgrim vs. Avatar, Medium ranking Primarch as far as battle goes vs. a watered down greater daemon and he essentially wipes the floor with him.

So as mere mortals I the Primarch's were equals of Greater Daemons, and then you infuse them with the exact same power that makes Greater Daemons special? its like asking who would win if Superman fought Green Lantern but Superman gets a Green Lantern ring.

The reason this thread was started because in another thread about Primarchs, a particular forum troll/'tard claimed that not only are Primarchs inferior to Daemon Princes, but that even Daemon Primarchs serve GDs.

KingDeath wrote:The strongest Bloodthirster so far encountered by the Imperium of Man is Angrath the Unbound. Ka'bandha, certainly a mighty bloodthirster but not the greatest, actually managed to best Sanguinius on
Signus Prime but, for some perverse reason, didn't finish him of. The angelic primarch got his revenge on terra so i certainly think that both were more or less evenly matched, one being victorious at Signus and the other at the siege of Terra.

As of current fluff, Ka'Bhanda is the strongest Bloodthirster, as said in both the Blood Angels and Grey Knights codices.

Ka'Bhanda did beat Sanguinius when they first fought, but the second time they did, even with a sneak attack from Ka'Bhanda, Sanguinius crushed him. Even or not, that's still merely "one of" the strongest Primarchs in martial combat vs. the strongest Bloodthirster.

Omegus wrote:The reason this thread was started because in another thread about Primarchs, a particular forum troll/'tard claimed that not only are Primarchs inferior to Daemon Princes, but that even Daemon Primarchs serve GDs.

Actually this thread was started cause I am full of questions But thank's to all of you now I got a hang of the opinions that are roaming around. My personal opinion is that a non-accended Primarch comes on a tie with a GD (just as the Sanguinus example). Like in all rules there are exceptions (i.e. Angron). Finally as far as I understand it, Primarch DP can pretty much wipe the floor of any GD except maybe some of the older ones...

Thank you all for clearing my head a bit

Cheers

Omegus wrote:The reason this thread was started because in another thread about Primarchs, a particular forum troll/'tard claimed that not only are Primarchs inferior to Daemon Princes, but that even Daemon Primarchs serve GDs.

Using the quote Harriticus provided on the first page of the thread it's not hard to see why he believed that. Further still, comparing Angron's official rules to An'ggrath's kinda provides some perspective on how powerful a GD can actually be at the top. Run those two against each other and the Primarch won't be coming out on top most of the time. Of course, if strength/rules were all that mattered then characters like Hector Rex would be curb-stomped very quickly. Plot armour beats all.

Void__Dragon wrote:

blood reaper wrote:It took him two times to do so, it's not really that great.

As of current fluff, Ka'Bhanda is apparently the strongest Bloodthirster.

And in their second fight, Ka'Bhanda managed to sneak attack Sanguinius, casting him to the ground, and Sanguinius still broke his back.

So apparently Sanguinius, who Corax seems to believe is probably weaker than Angron, bested the strongest Bloodthirster, despite being caught off guard.

I am just saying.

And all this after holding the gate alone for hours.