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So as I was reading I came up with the following question: Is a Greater Daemon stronger than a Prince-elevated Primarch? Or are they the same in power?

To better illustrate this: Lets assume one of the Primarch's (your choice) gets to battle a Greater Daemon of (insert chaos god here) ?

I think it would be pretty close...

Bobakos wrote:So as I was reading I came up with the following question: Is a Greater Daemon stronger than a Prince-elevated Primarch? Or are they the same in power?

To better illustrate this: Lets assume one of the Primarch's (your choice) gets to battle a Greater Daemon of (insert chaos god here) ?

I think it would be pretty close...

Daemon Primarchs command Greater Daemons like lieutenants, they are far stronger. They rivaled them as "mere" Primarchs, as Daemon Princes they are stronger.

Hell, some Primarchs were stronger than Greater Daemons before ascension.

I would say that a primarch would be more powerful. Afterall Angron had all those bloodthirsters working for him before he got booted back to the warp and with the way khorne seems to work if he was weaker than any of them he wouldn't have been fit to lead them in the first place. It also might vary from primarch to primarch. Magnus would obviously beat one as he was so powerful, but someone like Lorgar who admitted he wasn't much of a fighter in the novel first heretic(he got his handed to him by corax and the only reason he survived was thanks to Curze swooping in last minute and saving him. As far as loyalists Sanguinius killed that one greater demon at the siege of terra.

Funny, I have this thought in my head (that I read somewhere, lexi maybe) Greater Daemons are far stronger than human elevated daemon princes due to them being full daemon instead of ''half'' daemon, probably kabanda or skarbrand would be a good example.

Skarbrand was (and maybe still is) the absolute strongest of Khorne's Bloodthristers, so he could be a bad example of the average Greater Daemon.


It prolly is true that the Average Greater Daemon is stronger than the Average Daemon Prince, but the Primarchs are a whole new ballgame. The Primarch Daemon Princes I would say are much stronger than the Average Greater Daemon, maybe even Stronger( or atleast on par) with each Chaos God's Biggest, baddest Greater Daemon.

Conservationist wrote:Funny, I have this thought in my head (that I read somewhere, lexi maybe) Greater Daemons are far stronger than human elevated daemon princes due to them being full daemon instead of ''half'' daemon, probably kabanda or skarbrand would be a good example.

The difference is primarchs aren't human. Primarchs were already able to defeat a greater daemon when they were just primarchs. Once elevated to daemon primarch, they became far more powerful.

Conservationist wrote:Funny, I have this thought in my head (that I read somewhere, lexi maybe) Greater Daemons are far stronger than human elevated daemon princes due to them being full daemon instead of ''half'' daemon, probably kabanda or skarbrand would be a good example.

This what I read myself, and that is why I had this question. It is not specified anywhere or for that fact not even mentioned...

-Loki- wrote:The difference is primarchs aren't human. Primarchs were already able to defeat a greater daemon when they were just primarchs. Once elevated to daemon primarch, they became far more powerful.

Since the average Greater Daemon can defeat the average Demon Prince, then by this we can assume that a greater-than-average Greater Daemon can defeat a Primarch???

i.e. Angron vs Skarbrand

I am still kinda confused

Fulgrim almost died but ultimately prevailed in battle against an Avatar of Khaine.
Those Avatars are roughly comparable to Greater Daemons.
I therefore think that primarchs and greater daemons are also roughly comparable.

I think a Primarch could kill most of the Greater Daemons except the Lord of Change simply because it can see the future.

Primarchs win IMO, they were doing it before being elevated, now they pretty much are the top brass.

No contest - Primarch hands down.

I mean: a Grey Knights can handle them without a problem.

Before they fell to chaos most Primarchs could at least go toe to toe with a greater demon. Most of them had beaten a greater demon before at some point too normally.

The emperor had made the primarchs to be of comparable power to himself. Hence why they were so awesome. This is also why the chaos bless Horus was able to fight the Emperor on an almost even footing.

With the chaos primarchs gaining the blessing and favor of chaos they only got stronger. If the demon prince primarchs ever actually did something the imperium would be in for trouble.

With regards to demons like Skarbrand, I think the demon prince primarchs would be able to win, but it would be close.

Brother Coa wrote:No contest - Primarch hands down.

I mean: a Grey Knights can handle them without a problem.

Grey Knights really aren't a good example, since they frequently know the True Names of these creatures, as well as having specialized defenses and attacks to deal with them.

"Greater Daemon" and "Lesser Daemon" are extremely broad classes of daemon.
There are daemons in the warp that far exceed the Daemon-Primarchs in age and power. The Daemon Codex says as much.

A daemon primarch can easily defeat most Greater Daemons. There's a reason that the daemon primarchs aren't used in the game, after all. Of course, there is the occasional millenia-old Greater daemon which could cut a primarch to pieces, but there's probably only one or two.

Considering primarchs can already stand toe to toe with Greater demons even when they haven't become Daemon princes, greater demons wouldn't stand a chance against them when they've already been elevated to daemon prince form.

In general, yes, but there's always insanely strong ancient daemons.

Remember that the Gods can do whatever they want in their realm and they are the ones that bestow the amount of power daemon princes will weild. Primarchs were elevated to daemonhood as a reward for what they have done and they are amongst the most powerful surely. But not because they were Primarchs before they are now obber mega monsters. Angron is stated to become an uber mega monster but it seems Magnus is not the case for instance.

In many cases the gods grant daemonhood to rather "unexceptional" individuals just because they wanted to and in other occasions they have made other more worthy people to go the long road to achieve daemonhood for them to find they are not stronger than other daemon princess.

Normally, Daemon Princes seem to be subordinate to Greater Daemons:




May be different with Primarchs though.

Omegus wrote:
Grey Knights really aren't a good example, since they frequently know the True Names of these creatures, as well as having specialized defenses and attacks to deal with them.

They are - because Primarchs are more powerful then they in every way. ( well maybe except corruption )

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Grey Knights really aren't a good example, since they frequently know the True Names of these creatures, as well as having specialized defenses and attacks to deal with them.

They are - because Primarchs are more powerful then they in every way. ( well maybe except corruption )

Unless that Grey Knight's name is Draigo.


Then he would beat up all the primarchs. At once.

The Daemon-Primarchs and the Greater Daemons are very different in strength. If they were to fight, that area would crumble and shatter.
But, remember, the Primarchs Were near gods in their own right, and that was before the ascension. The Chaos Gods would probably step in before the fight got too far. After all, The Gods do need their champions.

There's a simple test: have you ever seem a Lord of Change rip a titan in half or fire a lascannon out of its eye? No? Then it's not as strong as Magnus.

Have you ever heard of a Keeper of Secrets killing a primarch? If not, it's weaker than Fulgrim.

Has a Bloodthirster ever killed 100 Grey Knights at once? Angron beats them if not.

Has a Great Unclean One ever... actually, they probably beat Mortarion easily.

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Grey Knights really aren't a good example, since they frequently know the True Names of these creatures, as well as having specialized defenses and attacks to deal with them.

They are - because Primarchs are more powerful then they in every way. ( well maybe except corruption )

Did you read what he posted? At all? Grey Knights are the most elite force the Imperium has at its disposal, literally everything about them is modified to make them better at fighting Daemons.

Durza wrote:Has a Bloodthirster ever killed 100 Grey Knights at once? Angron beats them if not.

Angron kind of had help from 12 Bloodthirsters to do that, actually.

Lets say we were even talking about pre heresy primarch's

i say if one primarch could destroy dozens of SM then they were naturally stronger than Greater deamons

just a thought

The Primarchs were essentially just the greatest ever because that is what they were created to be

No contest, Leman Russ wins.

Sanguinius eats greater daemons for breakfast.

Or he would... if he weren't dead.