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Mantics little dudes in space are out now
So they can be yours to command.

Just thought I should include this, he's my favorite Squat model ever:

I was lucky enough to get a platoon sized group of plastic Squats. 1 PCS and 3 Inf Squads each with what seems to be a Heavy Bolter. My Gaming group is cool with me rolling it in my IG force....TLOS may be a pain but whatever SPACE DWARVES....FOR THE EMPEROR!!

Eaten by Tyranids. Good riddance.
If GW wants to bring them back in some form, I've faith they will do it well, but nothing of value was lost with the Squat homeworlds in my opinion.

I like them!











(sorry about the crap photos, and yes, that is a converted Squat Dreadnought)

Never really got the bikers/hell's angels aspect but what the hell, Rogue Trader was full of weird badly smushed together concepts. In Epic the were amazing. Demiug are a nice tip-of-the-hat, and I hope they find some way in to the next Tau codex. In the meantime I'll be keeping a close eye on the Manic Warpath Forgefathers and perhaps getting a few.

Not only do I have a decent sized army, I have played my Squats in nearly evey edition of the game.
And not, as 'suggested by GW', as Ig or Orks. I play mine as a SM scout expeditionary force.
I do miss having the option of fielding heavy support as troops though, plus whole squads with special weapons.

Zakiriel wrote:The official line about having the Squats written out of the 40k universe by oops the Tyranids ate them seems to me to have been far to casual and not nearly grimdark enough of an ending for the Squats.

There is no such "official" line. The closest we have is in the current IG codex where it mentions Ghazkhull Thraka's destruction of Golgotha and it's abhuman inhabitants. (P24). Old timey 40k-ers will know Golgotha was one of the Squat homeworlds in the original background.

The lack of reason is part of the problem why gamers are so frustrated as to why they got rid of them, until the aforementioned reply from Jervis was posted a few years back there was no explanation as to why they were written out of the background and no mention of them is ever made, even going as far as to throw people out of the shops (yes, really. I saw this happen many a time when I frequented a certain GW store) for the sheer mentioning of them.

Mabrothrax wrote:I like them!

Mabrothrax that is fantastic man. I would love to see it finished.


I have about 200 of the little buggers laying around. I use mine as IG the work great, though given their background and all of the heavy weapons I have I have been thinking about using them as Space Wolves.

Squats. I confess to liking them more over the years at least partly because they were mostly unavailable. I got into the game right as 2nd ed. came out and even though you could still find squats in stores, it was clear that they weren't a well supported army at that time. By the time I realized how cool they were, they were gone.

I like the basic squat infantry parka-and-cap look, though the biker models were never my cup-o-tea. Honestly, the Mantic inerpretation of Space Dwarves appeals to me as much as GW's, but I do hope they come out withsome unarmored models as well as the fully armored figs they are about to release.

the problem I see with Squats is the same problem I see with Orks, that they don't really fit into 40k fluff anywhere. They seem to be just sort of wedged in there without any real direction.

The squats are not GRIMDARK enough for 40k, they seemed to be a sort of joke army, one that didn't take itself seriously. I don't think that sort of thing should be in the game. If the setting wants to be taken seriously, it needs to take itself seriously, and having things like the Squats and Orks in there doesn't help.

The tech aspect of the squats was pretty cool, I will admit. Unstoppable weapons, marvels of engineering, things like that, I like that. However, instead of GW bringing back the Squats and having another army that is nothing more than comedic relief, why not bring in a faction that already has established fluff and takes itself seriously, namely, the AdMech.

I agree that the want for squats is nothing more than "I can't have it, therefore I want it." It's like if they took Necrons away. There are very few necron players out there, but if they were gone, suddenly you'd have people talking about how much they loved Necrons and the like, and I can guarantee that most of them had never touched a Necron.

Flaming_Spider wrote:
The squats are not GRIMDARK enough for 40k, they seemed to be a sort of joke army, one that didn't take itself seriously. I don't think that sort of thing should be in the game. If the setting wants to be taken seriously, it needs to take itself seriously, and having things like the Squats and Orks in there doesn't help.

I think you may be overstating the seriousness of the 40k setting. It has gotten more grimdark over the years and this is especially seen in most of the Black Library Novels. However, it's never been a "hard-Sci-Fi" universe, and it's roots (RT and 2nd edition), are goofy, not-to-serious, and presented with a wink. If anything Orks are a quentisential 40k race. If the poster children for 40k are mutated knights in powered plate armor, then they need beasty green monsters in space with guns to fight against.

Even with the trend for grimdark and putting asside Orks, Dwarves in space wouldn't be all that goofy compared to what we currently have. Consder the inclusion of elves in space with their dancing new-wave theater troupe, anime robot drivers with their canibalistic chicken mercenaries, Psuedo-religious Inquisitors are acompanied by heavy weapon toting orangutangs, and the masses of humanity fight along side Hobbit snipers and Ogre's with auto-shotguns.

When you step back from 40k, you realize just how not-serious it all is.

I sorta feel that the 40K universe is lacking in the fact that they don't have a race that fills the dwarf arch-type. It doesn't have to be squats that fill that but I would like something that does.

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Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

Mabrothrax wrote:I like them!

Mabrothrax that is fantastic man. I would love to see it finished.


I have about 200 of the little buggers laying around. I use mine as IG the work great, though given their background and all of the heavy weapons I have I have been thinking about using them as Space Wolves.

Your squatnought is most epic. Are you doing a count-as SM army?

Taken from The last Wulfen, a poster on a different site:

"+++Everything you know is a lie!+++-------------------------------Inquisition

+++The Squats weren't eaten by the Tyranids+++-----------Imperial Lie/propaganda/cover up

+++020.M37 THE GREAT CULL+++

In their mercy, the High Lords of Terra begin a systematic extermination

+++M37 THE AGE OF REDEMPTION+++

The Imperial Cult grows. The Imperium decrees that all worlds within the Imperium must follow Imperial Creed. No more will empires within the Imperium be tolerated.

The freedom loving Squats refuse.

The Imperium covets the Wealth and Technology of the Squat Homeworlds.

The Imperium launches Crusade after Crusade into the Squat Homeworlds in a war of genocide.

This lasts for over 300 years with the Imperium taking horrendus losses and the Squat Homeworlds all but destroyed.

All records of the Squats are destroyed by the Inquisition.

Over 30 Space Marine Chapters are wiped out.

This is explained away by the Abyssal Crusade.

It is believed that the surviving Squats aided in the advancement of the Tau. This explains the rapid advancement of this new race and the sightings of the Demiurg.

The sightings of the Squats within the Tau worlds lead to questions previously erased by the Inquisition. Hence the current lie of the Squats being destroyed by the Tyranids.

The Tyranids enter in M41, the Squats were destroyed in M37.

This information is hidden in plain sight in the 5th edition Rulebook page 125"


There is also this little tidbit from Citadel Journal that proves the Squats were not in fact eaten by Tyranids, but instead that they were subsumed into the Imperium!

From Citadel Journal, Issue 33, copyright 1999, pages 20 and 21.

The article name is : Standing in for the little guys, how to use your Squat armies in Warhammer 40,000. By Jervis Johnson.

The story of the Squats goes like this in the Article:

"Over the last few hundred years the Squat Homeworlds have slowly but surely been conquered and incorporated into the Imperium, so that now there are no independent Squat planetary settlements left. Human settlers were encouraged to live on the Squat worlds as soon as they had been made a part of the Imperium, and Imperial officials took over the day-to-day running and administration of the planet. Such worlds are required to raise Imperial Guard regiments in the same way as any other planet...

Although all the Squat Homeworlds no longer exist, their are still bands of Squats that fight independently and follow the old traditions of their race. Many have become little more than pirates and brigands, though some consider themselves freedom fighters attempting to restore Squat independence. "

Harriticus wrote:Speaking of the Squats results in the Inquisition showing up and snatching you to their dungeons in the middle of the nights.

The fun dungeon? ^_^

Or the not-fun dungeon? : (

Worse. The Inquisition Dungeon.

That all depends on your definition of "fun".

Slaaneshi Raep dungeon.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Slaaneshi Raep dungeon.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Slaaneshi Raep dungeon.

:: looks at the bonesaw being presented ::

Hooray!

Ah ha! The horrible truth comes out, The Imperium conquers the Squats and the Mechanicum priests necro interogate thier tech secrets out of them as well as reverse engineer relics found.

Its Miller Time!

And proof is found in the vehicles and weapons from the Space Marine and Imperial Guard Codex's

Force Dome used to be a Squat psychic power, not a space marine one...

The Thunderfire cannon resembles a Thudd Gun...in the Epic game the thudd gun was used extensively by the Squats....it also fired 4 small templates. The Mole Mortar was also used extensively by the Squats and the Thunderfire cannon has similarities with that as well....Those used to mess with movement too...Squats used to use them in the Squat Grand Battery. It had 5 thudd guns and 10 Mole Mortars.

The Colossus was the name of a Squat Super Heavy Vehicle and now it is just a tank in the Imperial Guard.

The Valkyrie and Vendetta show startling similarities to the Squat Iron Eagle Gyrocopter.

I'm sure there are more examples if one cared to look...

Sure sounds to me like the Imperium Conquered them and then messed with their tech and psychics too!

I would like to see the Demiurg included in the game.

HOWEVER.


The Squats deserve to stay where they are: in the bellies of some Hive Fleet. Truth be told, I don't like the Fantasy Dwarves, and the Squats just look awful.

ArGh.

Yeah, but Squats are not space monkeys.......

You can't beat having an old Squat in a sidecar, zooming around zapping people.
And, mole-mortars were great.

They might need a better set of figures, as the padded look is a bit dated, but the idea was good.

Squats were and are the suck. I'd rather see demiurge, but there's already too many codexes.

I really disagree that there are too many Codexes. I think what makes the game good is the variety. The fact that 85% of what I play against are Space Marine variants is lame. It doesn't even fit with fluff, when you're playing Iperium v. Imperium. I'd personally like to see Squats, as well as multiple other races. I find it sad that Fantasy has so many different Armies and 40K has so many different Marine Chapters. You can't tell me that Squat wouldn't at least sell equal to Necrons or Tau.

Re-adding Space Dwarves to a universe of Space Elves, Space Orks, Space Vampires, Space Were-wolves, Terminators from the Terminator movies and Aliens from the Aliens movie would just be a step too far into the abyss...

I remember the days when there were an equal number of Squat players to SM players in my local GW. True Gw was a very different place but Space Dwarves are no more ridiculous than Space Elves or Space Undead.