Ork vs average Joe

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**Brother Coa**

Void__Dragon wrote:In the fluff, the only reliable way for a guardsman to kill an Ork boy is with a headshot from a lasgun, a shot to the chest not likely to do much damage.

Lasguns can punch through two meters of concrete.

I'm sorry, no mob is killing an Ork boy with bricks and small knives.

Also, Orks are S3, but that really doesn't mean a damn thing, no human except freaks like Harker (Who is stronger than any man to ever live IRL, he strangled a fething Ravener) can approach their physical strength. They are very high-end S3, and beyond that are better fighters than the vast majority of people in the world.

Only through swarming him and crushing him under the weight of the dead could they bring him down, or if heavy enough weaponry was brought to bear. A baseball bat would just annoy him.

You are forgeting the most plot armor force in the world - US Army

**Ascalam**

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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Actually i'm a Brit, I just live over here You can therefore drop the Jingoistic sarcasm

Uh, claiming that national areas have no effect on anything is the opposite of jingoism, fella.
Also, orks are unlikely to accept the "other things" on offer, being almost completely androgynous. Any genitals they still have are exclusively for waste removal. Bit like the crown jewels, really - for display purposes only.

*apologies for the comment- withdrawn* - I just get a bit tired of Americabashing, especially when it includes me as being American (i'm not).

I did point out that they would baffle the poor sod

Doesn't stop them being offered

I've seen fellas uglier than a warboss being propositioned there

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

No worries, man.
To be fair, it'd confuse the greenskin for a bit, until it realised that all it had to do was hit the problem with the business end of a choppa and it'd go away

**Nightfall**

we have an Ariel advantage... AC130 gunship and some Harriers or other jets. Along with some snipers at LONG range with some tanks and enough Marines and SWAT.

Orks just have strength and numbers

Humans < orks

**Ascalam**

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:No worries, man.
To be fair, it'd confuse the greenskin for a bit, until it realised that all it had to do was hit the problem with the business end of a choppa and it'd go away

Yup, standard ork protocol..

Then all that would bother it is why a particularly unattractive bunch of Dark Eldar wannabes were hanging around on the street corner... for about a second before something else grabbed it's attention.

I wonder of Orks like deep-fried Mars bars ?

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Once they'd figured out what they were, I'm sure they'd go down a storm. Having said that, I think orks are primarily carnivorous - it'd make sense, given the amount of muscle they're given as being able to put on.

**Ascalam**

Fungiferous :0)

Squigs are the orks main food, and they are the same fungo/algae dna as orks and Gretchin.

I'm sure they'd eat most other things too though, especially if they wriggled or screamed..

Orks can be nicely Grimdark too

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Ascalam wrote:Fungiferous :0)

Squigs are the orks main food, and they are the same fungo/algae dna as orks and Gretchin.

I'm sure they'd eat most other things too though, especially if they wriggled or screamed..

Orks can be nicely Grimdark too

Well, to be fair, it's more fungo/algae/animal.
And totally, there's accounts of them eating captive humans when the mood takes them.

**Ascalam**

Fair enough.

I could see one treating a street as one long smorgasbord (Tellypotation makes yer 'ungry).

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

And then beating the snot out of anyone left

**Melissia**

mattyrm wrote: I think people are giving the run of the mill orc boy too much credit!

No, I think we're giving the run of the mill ORK enough credit.

Orks are as physically tough and strong as a Space Marine.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Tasers are fairly common, however, and while they'd likely only temporarily incapacitate an Ork

No likely even that much. Most tazers would mildly irritate an Ork. Orks are that friggin' tough.

Keep in mind most firearms are pretty weak compared to 40k firearms-- even assault rifle bullets aren't as good. And the 40k equivalent (the autogun, which is higher caliber and basically relies on its rate of fire alone to do any real damage to tough targets like Orks) is only S3...

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Melissia wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I think people are giving the run of the mill orc boy too much credit!
No, I think we're giving the run of the mill ORK enough credit.

Orks are as physically tough and strong as a Space Marine.

I wouldn't go that far. The average ork, though a hell of a lot larger, stronger and tougher than a human, isn't quite a match for a Marine. They are certainly as tough as one, though; even an SM can't stitch himself back together after a battle and expect to be back in fightin' condition within the month (if not sooner.)

**Melissia**

Orks can heal up and get back to fighting condition in DAYS....

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:I wouldn't go that far. The average ork, though a hell of a lot larger, stronger and tougher than a human, isn't quite a match for a Marine.

A marine in power armor certainly. Outside of power armor? The Ork and Marine would have one spectacular sparring match.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Melissia wrote:Orks can heal up and get back to fighting condition in DAYS....
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:I wouldn't go that far. The average ork, though a hell of a lot larger, stronger and tougher than a human, isn't quite a match for a Marine.
A marine in power armor certainly. Outside of power armor? The Ork and Marine would have one spectacular sparring match.

It'd certainly be a fight worth putting bets on.
I suppose it's a moot point really, given that an orkish physiology is certainly a match for anything the modern human can find to use against it.
Incidentally, has anyone taken into account Mob Rule? Orks aren't actually that effective on their own, as they (oddly, given their violent nature) need other orks around, on a psychological level. They aren't happy or safe on their own.

**Melissia**

Depends on the kind of Ork. Kommandos are naturally inclined towards loner status.

A single Kommando let loose in a modern city could turn it into utter chaos in a few days at most.

A Mekboy let loose in a modern city would be utterly terrifying too...

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Melissia wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Tasers are fairly common, however, and while they'd likely only temporarily incapacitate an Ork
No likely even that much. Most tazers would mildly irritate an Ork. Orks are that friggin' tough.

It'd be like poking a bull with a stick, it'll just make it more angry.

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Melissia wrote:Depends on the kind of Ork. Kommandos are naturally inclined towards loner status.

A single Kommando let loose in a modern city could turn it into utter chaos in a few days at most.

A Mekboy let loose in a modern city would be utterly terrifying too...

True, but even Kommandos will go around in groups rather than operate alone. Orks are, again oddly, highly social creatures (in the sense that they require others of their species around) and even the Kommandos have this trait, though it is somewhat less developed.

**Grey Templar**

Either way, the ork wins.

He either bashes alot of 'Umie heads in and/or gets his skull bashed in. Then his body exudes ork spores and Earth is now infested with the green monsters.

1 ork could be the doom of us all.

**Void__Dragon**

Melissia wrote:A marine in power armor certainly. Outside of power armor? The Ork and Marine would have one spectacular sparring match.

Based on what?

A Marine even outside of power armour is stronger than the average Ork Boy, though the difference is not as great.

That's not to say the Marine would necessarily win the fight, if both were not wearing armour and wielding equivelant weapons, but the Marine is still stronger.

**Melissia**

Void__Dragon wrote:That's not to say the Marine would necessarily win the fight, if both were not wearing armour and wielding equivelant weapons, but the Marine is still stronger.

Not really. The Ork gets far more of an advantage from the initial adrenaline rush, and could very well kill the unarmored Marine in the flurry of blows that opens up the combat.

**Void__Dragon**

Melissia wrote:Not really. The Ork gets far more of an advantage from the initial adrenaline rush, and could very well kill the unarmored Marine in the flurry of blows that opens up the combat.

I must of missed the part where you proved the Ork is as physically strong, since that was the only part I was actually disputing.

If you're saying during the initial stage of combat, due to adrenaline, the Ork Boy rivals the Marine physically, fine, but if that was your point, simply saying "An Ork Boy is as strong as a Space Marine" is misleading.

**Melissia**

Relatively speaking, they are in the lore. Certainly closer to marines than humans.

**Void__Dragon**

Melissia wrote:Relatively speaking, they are in the lore. Certainly closer to marines than humans.

A Marine can pulp a human's head with a punch in the fluff and lift APCs up on their side, it's kind of a big difference.

I would say Ork Boys are nearly as strong as a Marine (Fulgrim actually suggests this), but the Marine would still generally be stronger.

**Anvildude**

There certainly would be a difference between location, though. Even London gangs probably don't have as much firepower (heck, probably the London police!) as the average backwoods town here in the US. In some rural places, kids have guns years before they're allowed behind the wheel of a vehicle. So if you're keeping it to household weapons, well, sorry, but America would definitely have it. I live in the middle of a suburb- the least violent, most peaceful place you could care to find, and I know of at least 3 people who own multiple firearms within a few miles- and I don't know that many people.

**Grey Templar**

Yup, I attribute the fairly low crime rates in suburban and rural areas to the fact that anyone, and frequently everyone, might have a gun. You certaintly arn't going to walk into someone's house and try to steal something if there is a danger to them carrying a gun.

and even if the person breaking in has a gun, they are in an unfamiliar building.

**WarrKing**

Pilau Rice wrote:Your average Joe has a tank?

that sounds likea wonderful place! I wanna live there!

**Grey Templar**

you would be surprised at what you can get at Military Surplus if you ask about whats behind the counter

**WarrKing**

Grey Templar wrote:you would be surprised at what you can get at Military Surplus if you ask about whats behind the counter

QUICK! TO THE NEAREST MILITARY SURPLUS STORE!!!!

**Ascalam**

I have a friend who owns several WW2 era tanks and half-tracks

He restores them, then lends them to Hollywood for WW2 movies

**Melissia**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Melissia wrote:Relatively speaking, they are in the lore. Certainly closer to marines than humans.

A Marine can pulp a human's head with a punch in the fluff and lift APCs up on their side

So can Orks (especially on the rampage), your point is?

In 40k, humans are relatively weak.

**Void__Dragon**

Melissia wrote:So can Orks (especially on the rampage), your point is?

In 40k, humans are relatively weak.

Stop moving the goalposts. That was just illustrating that Ork Boys being "stronger than humans" doesn't even begin to prove they're nearly as strong as a Space Marine. Which was my point the entire time.

40k humans appear to be capable of physical feats greater than any human being IRL.