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FW models are often not allowed in tournaments as their rules are not always balanced. I'm in the same situation as Creon as I don't know what blight drones are. Do they make CSM super-competitive?

Blight Drones can be found in IA7. They are pretty much a Falcon with one less side AV and a 36" str 8 Ap3 Pie plate cannon with a side auto cannon. For 125 pts. They also ignore shaken and stunned. As such they are somewhat undercosted.

Blight Drones are from IA 7 0r 8 I beleive, they have a few different weapon options one is a S8 AP 3 template for 125 points they are pretty good. FW of course charges a premium for it.

On a side not the list sucks, and Skiewise your attitude sucks. I would play someone else with the list but not you.

The list doesn't bother me it is just playing toy soldiers, if you need the crutch of somthing that is outside the rules fine. I'd still kick your Arse with either my 20k in chaos 7k IG and 3k GK. I wouldn't even care if you used a Warlord.

Crappy attitude dude.

tedurur wrote:Blight Drones can be found in IA7. They are pretty much a Falcon with one less side AV and a 36" str 8 Ap3 Pie plate cannon with a side auto cannon. For 125 pts. They also ignore shaken and stunned. As such they are somewhat undercosted.

Well, in fact, it appears that these tanks are under-costed for what they can achieve. Of course, Blight Drones can give any CSM list a boost, but as long as they don't appear in the regular codex I don't care.

Mr. Skywise, you seem to be here with the wrong attitude.
You also seem to be quite new to the DakkaDakka forum, and should maybe be a bit more respectful & humble when dealing with fellow Dakkaites.

I will just point out a few contradictions in your posts :

skywise07 wrote:"So basiclly you can only get by using forgeworld rules. What happen if you move house? To a new area where they don't use forgeworld rules?"

EPIC FAIL. This list just happens to be one of the most competitive available right now in the current codex.

Actually, it appears you might be wrong. As others have pointed out, there is no Blight Drone "in the current codex".

skywise07 wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Your list is only legal in your local store, get over it.

Nah dude. My list is legal anywhere I choose to play it. Barring a few of your overrated events, like Nova.

Again, "legal" isn't dependent on what YOU think or where YOU are, even though you seem to think otherwise. If every own makes his own laws, then they're not useful anymore.



In a nutshell, your rampaging in here with your overconfident behaviour and aggressive post "My list is the best, and those who disagree with me are *quote* craven pussies *end quote*" (whatever that means) :

1. Breaks Rule #1 : Be polite
2. is blatant flaming / trolling ;
3. doesn't contribute to this site in a good way.

If you wish to contribute to the site, you have to accept a few things :

1. some people will not agree with you, but discussing is the point of posting your list, isn't it ? (or was it just to show off?)
2. branding your list as "competitive", even though you deny it, is sure to have people think about... competitions (weird, uh?). So people will undoubtedly compare it to regular "tournament-competitive" lists, but yours being illegal in most tournaments, it will definitely raise some eyebrows.
3. if you stiffen & reply aggressively to the first post that disagrees with you, you will only earn more scorn.

I really hope your attitude will grow better if you plan on sticking to the site.

On a side note : I do enjoy FW rules, play with and against them. But I consider them "experimental / fun / high-end-house rules", though in my local gaming group, it doesn't matter. And I can understand that people, who only play in "tournament-legal" environment, have a different view on them.

Back on topic, the list is a bit spammy to me, but it looks quite consistent. The flamers in the squads seem to fit nicely to me. One thing you might consider is stating clearly that Plague Marines squad are 8-strong : most people will be used to seeing 7-strong PM squads, so it might cause confusion. It did to me, as I wondered how you could include two special weapons in the 9-strong CSM squad, until I realized they were 10 with the aspiring champion.

skywise07 wrote:

mercer wrote:Not sure why the Plague Marines have a melta and flamer. Taking a mix of weapons makes them less affective against the target you're firing at, so flamer doesn't hurt vehicles and melta does little to infantry. Double special weapons in each squad would be fine along with only 5 Marines per unit as you only need 5 Marines per unit to get double specials anyway.

Both aren't bad armies, but could be better. I wouldn't be worried about neither TBH.

Taking a flamer and melta is much more versatile than double melta. Don't forget, the champion has a combi melta.

The list is designed to be an all comers list. Flamers are essential to dealing with hordes. I can't tell you the value I have experienced
having a single flamer in each of my squads. Especially against IG and Dark Eldar.

I don't like 5 Marines per unit. I prefer to have the extra survivability of 8 man strong Plague Marine squads.

I would be happy to play your all comers list, Mercer. I am certain you will find just how effective this army is.

Suit yourself about the mixed weapon synergy. You're sacrificing damage output for versitile, not something I'd do.

If you want to play my all comers list then jump on a plane and come to UK and I'd happy to give you a came. I'm sure I'd find out how effective your list would be then.


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tedurur wrote:Ive heard from a reliable source that mercers "take all commers list" is something like this:

HQ
Libby = 100

Troops:
5xScouts = 75

10xTacticals (ML+Flamer) = 170
Pod = 35

Heavy:
LR Achilles = 325

LR Achilles = 325

Elites:
9xTH&SS Termies = 360

Dread (MM+HF) = 115
Lucius Pattern Pod = 50

Dread (MM+HF) = 115
Lucius Pattern Pod = 50

FA:
Caestus Assault Ram = 275

bang on!!!


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On another note WTF is a craven pussy?

No idea, and since the post has been revoked, I'm not one anyway

tedurur wrote:As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome.

How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place.

You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech. 9 Lascannons are not awfully reliable.

How would you deal with a DW army?

Dark light spam?

Leaf blower?

Melta Vets?

Ect ect.

The one thing your list will destroy is foot slogging MEQs. Impressive...

"As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome. "

Not really dude. Out of curiosity, do you have a background in psychology?


"How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place."

WRONG. Are you playing on a table with no terrain? Using terrain to my advantage is one of my specialties. My prince(s) will get to your long fangs and lash them.


"You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech."

Afraid facts mixed up. Each of my tactical squads has 2 melta weapons and a power fist. And I hate to break it to you, but 9 ST 9 shots can be very effective against MEQ. Additionally, the ST8 pie plates and autocannon shots from the Blight Drones are good against mech as well.





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Yggdrasil wrote:Mr. Skywise, you seem to be here with the wrong attitude.
You also seem to be quite new to the DakkaDakka forum, and should maybe be a bit more respectful & humble when dealing with fellow Dakkaites.

I will just point out a few contradictions in your posts :

skywise07 wrote:"So basiclly you can only get by using forgeworld rules. What happen if you move house? To a new area where they don't use forgeworld rules?"

EPIC FAIL. This list just happens to be one of the most competitive available right now in the current codex.

Actually, it appears you might be wrong. As others have pointed out, there is no Blight Drone "in the current codex".

skywise07 wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Your list is only legal in your local store, get over it.

Nah dude. My list is legal anywhere I choose to play it. Barring a few of your overrated events, like Nova.

Again, "legal" isn't dependent on what YOU think or where YOU are, even though you seem to think otherwise. If every own makes his own laws, then they're not useful anymore.



In a nutshell, your rampaging in here with your overconfident behaviour and aggressive post "My list is the best, and those who disagree with me are *quote* craven pussies *end quote*" (whatever that means) :

1. Breaks Rule #1 : Be polite
2. is blatant flaming / trolling ;
3. doesn't contribute to this site in a good way.

If you wish to contribute to the site, you have to accept a few things :

1. some people will not agree with you, but discussing is the point of posting your list, isn't it ? (or was it just to show off?)
2. branding your list as "competitive", even though you deny it, is sure to have people think about... competitions (weird, uh?). So people will undoubtedly compare it to regular "tournament-competitive" lists, but yours being illegal in most tournaments, it will definitely raise some eyebrows.
3. if you stiffen & reply aggressively to the first post that disagrees with you, you will only earn more scorn.

I really hope your attitude will grow better if you plan on sticking to the site.

On a side note : I do enjoy FW rules, play with and against them. But I consider them "experimental / fun / high-end-house rules", though in my local gaming group, it doesn't matter. And I can understand that people, who only play in "tournament-legal" environment, have a different view on them.

Back on topic, the list is a bit spammy to me, but it looks quite consistent. The flamers in the squads seem to fit nicely to me. One thing you might consider is stating clearly that Plague Marines squad are 8-strong : most people will be used to seeing 7-strong PM squads, so it might cause confusion. It did to me, as I wondered how you could include two special weapons in the 9-strong CSM squad, until I realized they were 10 with the aspiring champion.

Yggdrasil, I don't have a bad attitude (as my gaming partners would attest to). I just don't take $hit when it comes to playing 40K. Especially from young hairlips that think they are experts at the game. I was playing 40K when a lot of the current players were still in elementary school. It is my nickel and my time, and if I want to play with Forge World Rules as Official Rules, I will. If you don't like that, that's fine, you don't have to play me. But don't try to preach to me about how Forge World Rules are not official. I don't agree with that position, and trying to force your views on me is only going to piss me off.

skywise07 wrote:

tedurur wrote:As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome.

How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place.

You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech. 9 Lascannons are not awfully reliable.

How would you deal with a DW army?

Dark light spam?

Leaf blower?

Melta Vets?

Ect ect.

The one thing your list will destroy is foot slogging MEQs. Impressive...

"As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome. "

#1 Not really dude. Out of curiosity, do you have a background in psychology?

"How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place."

#2 WRONG. Are you playing on a table with no terrain? Using terrain to my advantage is one of my specialties. My prince(s) will get to your long fangs and lash them.

"You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech."

#3 Afraid facts mixed up. Each of my tactical squads has 2 melta weapons and a power fist. And I hate to break it to you, but 9 ST 9 shots can be very effective against MEQ.


#4 Additionally, the ST8 pie plates and autocannon shots from the Blight Drones are good against mech as well.

#1 No I dont, but being able to tell that you suffer from those two syndromes does not require a grade in psychology...

#2 Ok, so you somehow manage to hide both prices and all three Blight Drones out of LoS from the SW player. Once again, are you only playing against complete morons? Even assuming you do get in range you will only have a >46% chance of getting Lash off...

#3 Hate to burst your bubble, one of your Preds has a 22,8% chance of popping a smoked rhino, have fun vs an AV 12 chimera wall...How are you moving 6" and getting in range with the blight drones to fire a pie plate against the lashed target while at the same time keeping out of LoS?

#4 Ahh, see now I know that you are kidding. A str 8 pie plate is not good against mech, with BS 2 its even worse. Also, can you please tell me how you are getting within 36" of a mech wall with your drones while at the same time keeping out of LoS?


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skywise07 wrote:
Yggdrasil, I don't have a bad attitude (as my gaming partners would attest to). I just don't take $hit when it comes to playing 40K. Especially from young hairlips that think they are experts at the game. I was playing 40K when a lot of the current players were still in elementary school. It is my nickel and my time, and if I want to play with Forge World Rules as Official Rules, I will. If you don't like that, that's fine, you don't have to play me. But don't try to preach to me about how Forge World Rules are not official. I don't agree with that position, and trying to force your views on me is only going to piss me off.

I need to know, what GT have you played in that allowed FW rules?

“Especially from young hairlips that think they are experts at the game.”

Just for your knowledge, there are a lot of people on this forum that don’t know what there head form a hole in the ground. With that said I’m not going to drop my credentials, and I don’t expect anyone else to do so. But so you know there have been more then one player post in this thread that knows what there talking about. I would do your research before you start jumping on everyone that disagrees with you.

As I said before, I wouldn’t mind knowing what venue you play in, I would love to try out the open format.

On the Forgeworld SITE ::: "The rules presented here are Experimental rules, still under development, and are not the final version. Experimental rules will change over time before a final version is published. "
Plus i have not seen any rules for the blight drone

In addition to the fact that skywise is trashing his rep on dakkadakka before he's even really participated (which is hilarious, don't get me wrong), this thread is beyond hope and certainly actual list analysis. It's just squabbling over whose rules are legal where.

This thread needs to be closed. Let skywise go back to whatever backwater he plays in, where it's cool to be a jerk to players and his experimental rules are legit. The great thing is, if this is his tournament list, none of us will ever have to look across the table and wonder if this is the douche on dakka.

Thread over. Sound of a balloon deflating goes here.

Just to be counter culture, I'm going to actually post some advice for the list.

I play mostly Eldar, but I have been known to dabble in the Darker Powers... and I always pay attention to good advice posted on Dakka when I see it.

1) I think at 2000 points you would be better served with Chaos Sorcerers than Lash princes. They can hang out in Rhinos, and since they are part of the plague squads can't be sniped out. This keeps your Lashes alive longer from enemy focus fire- and besides Lash works better later on after the tanks are gone anyway. Sorcerers will also save you some points.

2) I agree wholeheartedly with Mercer that if you want to be competitive you should lower your plague squads to 5 man. You still get 2 special weapons. And you may even be able to fit a whole other squad in for 2 more special weapons. I understand the versatility argument of flamer + melta, but as an eldar player I can attest that specialization is better in larger point games. If you want flamers and melta, take 2 squads with melta and one squad with flamers. Boosh. Drop the regular marines as well. 4 squads of 5 plague marines would do you better, champs with combis are fine. 35 points isn't too bad a premium for another melta shot.

3) I know very little about blight drones or any IA. So I won't really comment on them. If they are indeed like a possessed cheaper Eldar Falcon. Sounds like a strong addition to the CSM dex. I guess you've already heard dakkas general concencus on IA rules so I won't really further comment.

4) I actually think you'd have better luck with Vindicaters than preds. More demonically possessed vehicles. And you can grab those Dirge Casters for 5 points for some tank shock loving if god forbid you suffer a weapon destroyed. You can grab a combi melta to further help along with anti tank duties if you want, and with Vindicators you will be advancing them towards the enemy along with the rest of your army. If I've learned one thing playing 40K its that everything needs to move together so that they can support eachother the best. Main reason though is that vindicator cannons have excellent synergy with Lash if you can reach that point of the game.

5) Then just for good measure throw a combi melta on all of your tanks. Because who doesn't love more melta blasts.

6) if you wanted to run the list without Blight drones... just replace the Blight Drones with Termicide and icons for the plagues for the delivery of said termicide. I think it works out to the same price. 120 points for 3 termies with combi meltas and a chain fist, and five for the plague icons. Infact with 5 man plague squads, lash sorcerers, and termicide it looks a lot like the one competitive build Chaos really has left. Fancy that.

This definitely falls into the "whats the point of critiquing, if you aren't open to criticism" category.

The list is "situational" not "competitive". For a forgeworld model, blight drones are horrendously overcosted, and yes, I do insist on obliterators, because they are the best heavy support choice in 40K, bar none.

tedurur wrote:

skywise07 wrote:

tedurur wrote:As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome.

How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place.

You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech. 9 Lascannons are not awfully reliable.

How would you deal with a DW army?

Dark light spam?

Leaf blower?

Melta Vets?

Ect ect.

The one thing your list will destroy is foot slogging MEQs. Impressive...

"As others have said you suffer from two syndromes. Hubris and "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome. "

#1 Not really dude. Out of curiosity, do you have a background in psychology?

"How are you lashing long fangs? The ML has a 48" range, Lash on a Winged prince has a 36" range. Either your Princes or your Blight Drones will be dead before you can do much damage. Not to mention that you will have a less than 50% chance of getting lash off in the first place."

#2 WRONG. Are you playing on a table with no terrain? Using terrain to my advantage is one of my specialties. My prince(s) will get to your long fangs and lash them.

"You really dont have any way of dealing with Mech."

#3 Afraid facts mixed up. Each of my tactical squads has 2 melta weapons and a power fist. And I hate to break it to you, but 9 ST 9 shots can be very effective against MEQ.


#4 Additionally, the ST8 pie plates and autocannon shots from the Blight Drones are good against mech as well.

#1 No I dont, but being able to tell that you suffer from those two syndromes does not require a grade in psychology...

#2 Ok, so you somehow manage to hide both prices and all three Blight Drones out of LoS from the SW player. Once again, are you only playing against complete morons? Even assuming you do get in range you will only have a >46% chance of getting Lash off...

#3 Hate to burst your bubble, one of your Preds has a 22,8% chance of popping a smoked rhino, have fun vs an AV 12 chimera wall...How are you moving 6" and getting in range with the blight drones to fire a pie plate against the lashed target while at the same time keeping out of LoS?

#4 Ahh, see now I know that you are kidding. A str 8 pie plate is not good against mech, with BS 2 its even worse. Also, can you please tell me how you are getting within 36" of a mech wall with your drones while at the same time keeping out of LoS?


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skywise07 wrote:
Yggdrasil, I don't have a bad attitude (as my gaming partners would attest to). I just don't take $hit when it comes to playing 40K. Especially from young hairlips that think they are experts at the game. I was playing 40K when a lot of the current players were still in elementary school. It is my nickel and my time, and if I want to play with Forge World Rules as Official Rules, I will. If you don't like that, that's fine, you don't have to play me. But don't try to preach to me about how Forge World Rules are not official. I don't agree with that position, and trying to force your views on me is only going to piss me off.

"How are you moving 6" and getting in range with the blight drones to fire a pie plate against the lashed target while at the same time keeping out of LoS? "

By knowing the rules better than you. A blight drone can move 12" and fire a pie plate.


Your attitude has convinced me to adopt the following policy: If I EVER get a whinny, $hithead, attitude about Forge World Rules at the table, I am going to do the following:

A - I will reach across the table and proceed to crush the choicest models with a downward hammerfist. Rhino's, Razorbacks, etc.

B - I will than walk the little bitch to the door and throw his a$$ out of the gamestore.

How is that for competitive?

You're asking to get flamed when you post about an undefeated "extremely competitive" list. More than one person will ultimately want to rain on your parade.

The list seems pretty solid, if perhaps a bit vulnerable to Alpha Strike lists. Next time, tweak your initial presentation a bit, and you won't have people flaming just to flame.

akaean wrote:Just to be counter culture, I'm going to actually post some advice for the list.

I play mostly Eldar, but I have been known to dabble in the Darker Powers... and I always pay attention to good advice posted on Dakka when I see it.

1) I think at 2000 points you would be better served with Chaos Sorcerers than Lash princes. They can hang out in Rhinos, and since they are part of the plague squads can't be sniped out. This keeps your Lashes alive longer from enemy focus fire- and besides Lash works better later on after the tanks are gone anyway. Sorcerers will also save you some points.

2) I agree wholeheartedly with Mercer that if you want to be competitive you should lower your plague squads to 5 man. You still get 2 special weapons. And you may even be able to fit a whole other squad in for 2 more special weapons. I understand the versatility argument of flamer + melta, but as an eldar player I can attest that specialization is better in larger point games. If you want flamers and melta, take 2 squads with melta and one squad with flamers. Boosh. Drop the regular marines as well. 4 squads of 5 plague marines would do you better, champs with combis are fine. 35 points isn't too bad a premium for another melta shot.

3) I know very little about blight drones or any IA. So I won't really comment on them. If they are indeed like a possessed cheaper Eldar Falcon. Sounds like a strong addition to the CSM dex. I guess you've already heard dakkas general concencus on IA rules so I won't really further comment.

4) I actually think you'd have better luck with Vindicaters than preds. More demonically possessed vehicles. And you can grab those Dirge Casters for 5 points for some tank shock loving if god forbid you suffer a weapon destroyed. You can grab a combi melta to further help along with anti tank duties if you want, and with Vindicators you will be advancing them towards the enemy along with the rest of your army. If I've learned one thing playing 40K its that everything needs to move together so that they can support eachother the best. Main reason though is that vindicator cannons have excellent synergy with Lash if you can reach that point of the game.

5) Then just for good measure throw a combi melta on all of your tanks. Because who doesn't love more melta blasts.

6) if you wanted to run the list without Blight drones... just replace the Blight Drones with Termicide and icons for the plagues for the delivery of said termicide. I think it works out to the same price. 120 points for 3 termies with combi meltas and a chain fist, and five for the plague icons. Infact with 5 man plague squads, lash sorcerers, and termicide it looks a lot like the one competitive build Chaos really has left. Fancy that.

Akaen,

This is a fair post with some good suggestions.

1 - I am not sure about running 5 man plague squads, but I will give it a shot. Are you suggsting running a champion in each 5 man squad?

2 - I thought about running Vindicators instead of Predators, and still may try it. However, the focused Lascannon shots are better at taking down monstrous creatues; Trygons, Dreadknights, Daemon Princes, etc. It is a toss up.

Really I think this guy is just looking to start trouble. Let him splash around in his kiddy pool. I’ll see you guys in a more constructive thread…..

skywise07 wrote:Yggdrasil, I don't have a bad attitude (as my gaming partners would attest to). I just don't take $hit when it comes to playing 40K. Especially from young hairlips that think they are experts at the game. I was playing 40K when a lot of the current players were still in elementary school. It is my nickel and my time, and if I want to play with Forge World Rules as Official Rules, I will. If you don't like that, that's fine, you don't have to play me. But don't try to preach to me about how Forge World Rules are not official. I don't agree with that position, and trying to force your views on me is only going to piss me off.

See, you're still playing aggressive & using rude language, which, I insist, is a bad attitude in that forum.

Maybe your gaming partners would attest to that in real life, and I have little doubt you might be even a nice guy; but from what I've seen in that thread, your interwebz ego has none of your supposed qualities.

skywise07 wrote:Your attitude has convinced me to adopt the following policy: If I EVER get a whinny, $hithead, attitude about Forge World Rules at the table, I am going to do the following:

A - I will reach across the table and proceed to crush the choicest models with a downward hammerfist. Rhino's, Razorbacks, etc.

B - I will than walk the little bitch to the door and throw his a$$ out of the gamestore.

How is that for competitive?

Well, it seems you know how to have a bad attitude too in real life, after all... Breaking the toy soldiers of your opponent seems like a really mature behaviour, indeed.

So I'm just going to follow komosunder's advice, below, and leave you with your army list. I wish you the best in your future, non-tournament, competitive endeavours.

komosunder wrote:Really I think this guy is just looking to start trouble. I’ll see you guys in a more constructive thread…..

Agreed. Off I go.

This entire thread is a joke. I mean, I enjoy a good flamewar once in a while, but really, unconstructive insults will get you nowhere.

As for the blight drones: sure, if you explained how they worked, and they weren't horribly OP, sure I'd play you in a friendly game.

The thing is, VERY FEW tournaments allow FW rules, because some of them really are OP due to not being playtested, and not being meant for regular games (ie. Titans)

What if I whipped out my converted model of the Emperor, complete with rules I've written myself, for our friendly game? Would you let me play it? Because we're playing 40k, and you're using rules that aren't 40k legal, shouldn't I be allowed to do so too?

As for the comment about smashing models and throwing people out of gamestores... I'll be watching the news for a report of an enraged nerd vandalising GW and getting arrested for physical assault. Would be funny to see you nerd raging on tv.

skywise07 wrote:
#1 "How are you moving 6" and getting in range with the blight drones to fire a pie plate against the lashed target while at the same time keeping out of LoS? "

By knowing the rules better than you. A blight drone can move 12" and fire a pie plate.


#2 Your attitude has convinced me to adopt the following policy: If I EVER get a whinny, $hithead, attitude about Forge World Rules at the table, I am going to do the following:

A - I will reach across the table and proceed to crush the choicest models with a downward hammerfist. Rhino's, Razorbacks, etc.

B - I will than walk the little bitch to the door and throw his a$$ out of the gamestore.

How is that for competitive?

#1 But you said that you would use the reaper auto cannon as well....

#2 You said you were how old again? Forgive me for my bluntness but you sir, you sound like a slow...

This thread, despite prior intervention, doesn't appear to be going anywhere constructive.

Good luck with the list(s) anyway.

These threads are much, much more fulfilling for all concerned if users leave out the digs, cracks and insults.