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Config2 wrote:Whoa, thats a big question.
Overall, they would be loyal, to the Emperor, not the High Lords.
They are however, far more powerful than the High Lords, not to mention more Charismatic and Intelligent.
They, or He, would rest control of the Empire from the High Lords and "unplug" the Golden Throne.

This would not result in the pwning of Terra by Daemons however, it would result in the rebirth of the Emperor (see the Warhammer Wiki Illuminati prophecy)

If there is not someone sitting on the Throne, the daemons Magnus accidentally unleashed will pour through the Webway gate and devour all life on Terra.Half way through the last paragraph.

Pilau Rice wrote:
If they didn't like what they saw, the same thing would likely happen. The worst would be if Guilliman returned and bought all of the Chapters that used his Geneseed under his banner.

SHHHH! You are giving ward ideas.

Any way it would certainly shake things up do to corrupt high lords; might cause a rift between the high lords and primarchs resulting in war. Depending on where they were and how they would spin it as the primarch being tainted. All depends on how long it takes the Primarch to get a plan, get his marines, and wrestle power from the corrupt high lords; replacing them with those that acknowledge that good old Imperial Truth. The primarchs would likely not be loyal to the Empire in its current state but would likely try to reform it. I imagine they would draw up plans to keep the Eye of Terror secures they begin reforming Imperial knowledge taking them out of the grim dark Orwellian nightmare and bringing them to a golden age of enlightenment. Admittedly with this going on the Imperium would still be under threat from all sides and they would likely lose a large number of outer edge planets. This means after the Primarch had kept as much of the border secure, reformed Imperial knowledge(over the course of a few generations maybe sooner) the word of the Imperial cult would be forgotten save for the cathedrals; maybe permanent records saying never to let a religion reign free and all that. Then would come a mission to bring the Emperor back safely.

Course this requires bringing the Grimdarkness down from 11 to 10 so GW won't do that.

I think it would create a rift for humanity; yes. However, I believe all the Astartes for the most part would side with the primarch/s returning. They have no loyalty for the lords of terra, just the Emprah. Now the =I= on the other hand....

Zid wrote:I think it would create a rift for humanity; yes. However, I believe all the Astartes for the most part would side with the primarch/s returning. They have no loyalty for the lords of terra, just the Emprah. Now the =I= on the other hand....

Yeaah, but until the Emperor returns, the High Lords are the big deal so the Astartes do follow what they say. I'm not sure if all the Astartes would side with the Primarch. Despite of what Ward says, not all hold Guilliman as their spiritual leige and the others wouldn't necessarily follow just any Primarch.

Guilliman himself sat as a High Lord after the ascension of the Emperor.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Zid wrote:I think it would create a rift for humanity; yes. However, I believe all the Astartes for the most part would side with the primarch/s returning. They have no loyalty for the lords of terra, just the Emprah. Now the =I= on the other hand....

Yeaah, but until the Emperor returns, the High Lords are the big deal so the Astartes do follow what they say. I'm not sure if all the Astartes would side with the Primarch. Despite of what Ward says, not all hold Guilliman as their spiritual leige and the others wouldn't necessarily follow just any Primarch.

I agree to that; but the problem is, someone can claim to be the word of the Emperor (High Lords) but not really be it. If anything one of the Primarch's returning would create hope for all astartes that their spiritual lieges would return. I don't see GW returning 1 or 2 Primarch's and leaving most in the dark, unless they slowly feed them to us through story advances and novels. Either way if they do return I don't think they will be the same as before; they will probably be stronger, have a different insight into things, and be less trusting of the other legions. It'll be interesting

But if the Emperor dies... that would be an entirely other can of worms, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

Zid wrote:
I agree to that; but the problem is, someone can claim to be the word of the Emperor (High Lords) but not really be it. If anything one of the Primarch's returning would create hope for all astartes that their spiritual lieges would return. I don't see GW returning 1 or 2 Primarch's and leaving most in the dark, unless they slowly feed them to us through story advances and novels. Either way if they do return I don't think they will be the same as before; they will probably be stronger, have a different insight into things, and be less trusting of the other legions. It'll be interesting

But if the Emperor dies... that would be an entirely other can of worms, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

It could also create rivalry and resentment.

Yeah, they've been away for a long time, and most of them in the warp. I wonder how many tentacles they have between them now.

The Emperor dying would shake things up a little.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Zid wrote:
I agree to that; but the problem is, someone can claim to be the word of the Emperor (High Lords) but not really be it. If anything one of the Primarch's returning would create hope for all astartes that their spiritual lieges would return. I don't see GW returning 1 or 2 Primarch's and leaving most in the dark, unless they slowly feed them to us through story advances and novels. Either way if they do return I don't think they will be the same as before; they will probably be stronger, have a different insight into things, and be less trusting of the other legions. It'll be interesting

But if the Emperor dies... that would be an entirely other can of worms, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

It could also create rivalry and resentment.

Yeah, they've been away for a long time, and most of them in the warp. I wonder how many tentacles they have between them now.

The Emperor dying would shake things up a little.

I really hope that happens to be honest... progression of the story would be nice; rather than "mahrinez fighting on 100000000 planets but not getting anywhere, but hey, the imperium lives on!"

Just a thought but aren't the ideals of the IoM during the age of the primarchs and the current IoM different? I mean they didn't worship the emperor as a god then. Would they have a clash of ideals that might eventually lead to civil war if they did come back?

I think if Russ came back and saw the state of the imperium he would be so disgusted that he would take the entire space wolves chapter back into the warp to finish what he started with magnus. Once that was complete he would more than likely come back out and take over the imperium and return it to its anti religion no psyker roots.

Skal098 wrote:I think if Russ came back and saw the state of the imperium he would be so disgusted that he would take the entire space wolves chapter back into the warp to finish what he started with magnus. Once that was complete he would more than likely come back out and take over the imperium and return it to its anti religion no psyker roots.[/quote

Would be a fun read to be sure haha. An entire Legion venturing into the warp though... I doubt they'd come back even if they did manage to take out Magnus.

Agreeing with Skal. Im my opinion since most of the loyal primarchs consider the emperor as a supreme role model and not as a god, they might get disgusted at what the IoM has become

It could be really fun to have a loyalist Primarch come back and not side with the Imperium.

I've long thought 40k lacked the pro-human but anti-imperial faction (Chaos being anti human and anti Imperial in a nut shell)

I think if anything Guilliman might integrate sorta seemlessly into the modern Imperium. Dude was always hungry for power and so much of the cesspool that the IOM turned into became was based off a blueprint Guilliman was involved in.

Viersche wrote:Agreeing with Skal. In my opinion since most of the loyal primarchs consider the emperor as a supreme role model and not as a god, they might get disgusted at what the IoM has become

Probably this, especially since the Emperor verbally b****slapped Lorgar for doing the EXACT same thing before it was cool.

Also, food for thought. Wasn't the emperor's fluff written when the Terry Schiavo case was going on? He's totally gonna get his plug pulled if they ever advance the storyline.

I think most of the marines would side with any of the Emperors gene sons, who would be akin to their father/uncle than the high lords. Barring those who fell to chaos before someone decides to nit pick
The Astartes are indoctrined to honour their primarchs and their gene father the Emperor above all else. But given the GK's in the background have very strong ties to the Inquisition and therefore the High Lords would be interesting to see where they would go. But then again maybe another Primarch would have "High Lords were ere lolz!" carved in his heart

If the Primarchs returned, they would more then likely be loyal to the Emperor, and what the IoM was, NOT what the IoM does and how it acts in the current day and age. I could easily see one like Russ gathering the full force of the Wolves and restarting the Great Crusade to bring the IoM back to how it was supposed to be.. they allready dont like the inquisition.. should be fun.

Lion is the only one who'd be shocked at the changes, all the rest were still around when the changes were made. It was not until after the Scouring that the primarchs started to disappear or die off.
I'd imagine that if someone like Vulkan came back the Mechanicum would want him to help design weapons.
I'd think that if Russ, Corax or Khan came back they'd end up being given their own crusades to lead which would also keep them out of the hair of the High Lords. Guillimann is the only one who'd possibly cause political problems for them but he's also the only one other than the Lion who'd likely compromise with them too.

I don't know how it would play out, but it would make sense to have a Primarch - a son of the Emperor trained to be a leader - in charge of the Imperium than the High lords, and as said before, high lords are replaceable while the Primarch's are unique, and if the astartes found out about the high lords going against the primarch, all hell would break loose.

SilverMK2 wrote:I think they would probably be seen as too dangerous a power by the High Lords to be allowed to survive.

Because the High Lords can pull that off.
The last time Anyone on Holy Terra Really annoyed an Astartes Chapter, They Stormed Terra and put a Bolter in his face. Technically. The Sisters of Battle beat them to it.

gabrielhorus wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:I think they would probably be seen as too dangerous a power by the High Lords to be allowed to survive.

Because the High Lords can pull that off.
The last time Anyone on Holy Terra Really annoyed an Astartes Chapter, They Stormed Terra and put a Bolter in his face. Technically. The Sisters of Battle beat them to it.

That's true, but many of the Astartes Chapters just chose not to intervene. Who's to say that every chapter of the Space Marines sides with the freshly appeared Primarch, there will be those that cry 'Warp tainted abomination'. Some harbour, like the Iron Hands, strong resentment against the Raven Guard and Salamanders for the death of their Primarch. That's quite a bad example as the Iron Hands are a fairly grounded chapter, but you get my meaning.

If Russ was to come back, the Dark Angels might be unwilling to follow him, and vice versa for the Lion.

Durza wrote:If Russ was to come back, the Dark Angels might be unwilling to follow him, and vice versa for the Lion.

They don't hate each other. They disagree from time to time, but their bond is strong because of it. They respect each other, just as their Chapters respect each other to this day.

Pilau Rice wrote:

gabrielhorus wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:I think they would probably be seen as too dangerous a power by the High Lords to be allowed to survive.

Because the High Lords can pull that off.
The last time Anyone on Holy Terra Really annoyed an Astartes Chapter, They Stormed Terra and put a Bolter in his face. Technically. The Sisters of Battle beat them to it.

That's true, but many of the Astartes Chapters just chose not to intervene. Who's to say that every chapter of the Space Marines sides with the freshly appeared Primarch, there will be those that cry 'Warp tainted abomination'. Some harbour, like the Iron Hands, strong resentment against the Raven Guard and Salamanders for the death of their Primarch. That's quite a bad example as the Iron Hands are a fairly grounded chapter, but you get my meaning.

The mere presence of a Primarch would be a strong enough deterrent to stop them. Even if you feel personal resentment, Challenging a Primarch is folly.

Also, the only chapters that didn't intervene in the face of the Age of Apostasy were the ones that were continuing their missions against Chaos, Eldar, or Other, and could not spare soldiers.

iproxtaco wrote:

Durza wrote:If Russ was to come back, the Dark Angels might be unwilling to follow him, and vice versa for the Lion.

They don't hate each other. They disagree from time to time, but their bond is strong because of it. They respect each other, just as their Chapters respect each other to this day.

Respect each other as in when their chapters come together, the leaders have a ritual battle which 'doesn't usually end in death'?

Wasn't the emperor's fluff written when the Terry Schiavo case was going on?

No. A decade earlier, at the least. The Emperor entombed on the Golden Throne has been around since the beginning of 40K.

The DA will not follow Russ, the SW will not follow the Lion. Although the Primarchs eventually became something close to friends, they still fought often, and occasionally dealt each other grievous wounds, but never actually killed one another. So it goes with their respective Chapters. The DA and the SW might work together to accomplish a mission, but the rivalry is still there, and does often lead to one side killing members of the other.

gabrielhorus wrote:The mere presence of a Primarch would be a strong enough deterrent to stop them. Even if you feel personal resentment, Challenging a Primarch is folly.

Because the presence of the Emperor was enough to stop the Horus Heresy right? I see what you are saying and to a point I agree, I just don't believe that it would be as cut and dry as every single Astartes Chapter falls inline behind a Primarch that has been missing for close enough ten thousand years.

gabrielhorus wrote:Also, the only chapters that didn't intervene in the face of the Age of Apostasy were the ones that were continuing their missions against Chaos, Eldar, or Other, and could not spare soldiers.

Imperial Fists, Fire Hawks, Soul Drinkers and Black Templars were involved as well as the Mechanicum, from what I can find. There's quite a few chapters that weren't mentioned.

it was legions back then so chapters dont really count unless you can find out what legion that chapter belongs to.

Durza wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Durza wrote:If Russ was to come back, the Dark Angels might be unwilling to follow him, and vice versa for the Lion.

They don't hate each other. They disagree from time to time, but their bond is strong because of it. They respect each other, just as their Chapters respect each other to this day.

Respect each other as in when their chapters come together, the leaders have a ritual battle which 'doesn't usually end in death'?

Yes, a ritual battle, reminiscent of the battle their Primarch's had. In one of the two codices, or even both, it says this has created a strong bond between the two chapters.

Pilau Rice wrote:

gabrielhorus wrote:Also, the only chapters that didn't intervene in the face of the Age of Apostasy were the ones that were continuing their missions against Chaos, Eldar, or Other, and could not spare soldiers.

Imperial Fists, Fire Hawks, Soul Drinkers and Black Templars were involved as well as the Mechanicum, from what I can find. There's quite a few chapters that weren't mentioned.

They only mentioned those that fought. Most were busy trying to regain territory gained by Chaos during the storms.

gabrielhorus wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

gabrielhorus wrote:Also, the only chapters that didn't intervene in the face of the Age of Apostasy were the ones that were continuing their missions against Chaos, Eldar, or Other, and could not spare soldiers.

Imperial Fists, Fire Hawks, Soul Drinkers and Black Templars were involved as well as the Mechanicum, from what I can find. There's quite a few chapters that weren't mentioned.

They only mentioned those that fought. Most were busy trying to regain territory gained by Chaos during the storms.

So they were busy not intervening in the Age of Apostasy then doing their own thing.