Supreme commander vs Warhammer 40k

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**nomotog**

Brother Coa wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
...... Psykers cant even get through the field every SupCom unit has.

They can blow up ships - with their mind.

Space Marines? what can they do?
The weakest UEF grunt gets pumped out 1 unit per second per factory, and they can make as many factory as they please
as long as the planet has Matters left.
As mentioned, the grunt is like a monolith that fires plasma cannons.
The weakest unit can take out 100 Astartes with no problem, and probably reclaim the dead marine's matters into building 20 more grunts.

So? Astartes just tear them apart in cc... and SC is not that much powerful.

I don't think your getting this. SMs are cool, but it's like fighting a army of titans summoned by magic wand. They would literally get stepped on.

**ph34r**

Brother Coa wrote:So? Astartes just tear them apart in cc... and SC is not that much powerful.

Astartes tear apart basic grunt infantry that are larger and more powerful than WARHOUND TITANS in cc???
You are being extremely rude and ignorant right now by not reading anything that has been told to you.

Brother Coa wrote:I forgotten, this is also SCagainst 40k....
What has these SC faction have against C'Tan or Chaos Daemons?
And also against Ork and Tyranid numbers...? And we can always call upon the Chaos Gods themselves...

SupCom can deal with C'Tan, Daemons, Orks, and Tyranids in the same way that the Imperial Guard does, just replace every Imperial Guardsman with a unit larger than a Warhound Titan.

**LunaHound**

Brother Coa wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
...... Psykers cant even get through the field every SupCom unit has.

They can blow up ships - with their mind.
Excuse me, the field is essentially in 40k equivalent THE WARP or black hole. nothing gets in, nothing gets out till the unit runs out of energy.
If the psykers are so competent also the Emperor, why don't they just blow up whole Chaos with their mind?

Space Marines? what can they do?
The weakest UEF grunt gets pumped out 1 unit per second per factory, and they can make as many factory as they please
as long as the planet has Matters left.
As mentioned, the grunt is like a monolith that fires plasma cannons.
The weakest unit can take out 100 Astartes with no problem, and probably reclaim the dead marine's matters into building 20 more grunts.

So? Astartes just tear them apart in cc... and SC is not that much powerful.
Are you serious? where are you getting your info from?

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ph34r wrote:
Psykers are literally the only edge that the Imperium has over an Armored Command Unit.

Mundane warfare-wise, the Imperium is usually considered the pinnacle of inefficiency, supported by the remnants of their grand old STC system.

The Cybran, UEF, Aeon, or Seraphim possess full STC capabilities.

I forgotten, this is also SCagainst 40k....
What has these SC faction have against C'Tan or Chaos Daemons?
Same way as Imperium deal with them. But with way tougher units, way stronger weapons.
And also against Ork and Tyranid numbers...? And we can always call upon the Chaos Gods themselves...

Just so you know SC isnt Starcraft. SC is so over powered that i have a feeling you are thinking about something different,
or you don't actually know SC

**Brother Coa**

ph34r wrote:
SupCom armies are literally that large. I don't think you quite understand the scale you are dealing with.

4 words: Chaos Gods and C'tan.

/thread.

**ph34r**

Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:
SupCom armies are literally that large. I don't think you quite understand the scale you are dealing with.

4 words: Chaos Gods and C'tan.

/thread.

If the Chaos Gods and C'tan can't beat the Imperium, how are they supposed to beat a faction stronger than the Golden Age of Technology Imperium?

/thread.

**Brother Coa**

ph34r wrote:Astartes tear apart basic grunt infantry that are larger and more powerful than WARHOUND TITANS in cc???
You are being extremely rude and ignorant right now by not reading anything that has been told to you.

How Astartes work against Titans? They get inside, plant melta and get out. They destroyed hundreds of them like this.
And I played the game, nothing special....

**LunaHound**

ph34r wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:
SupCom armies are literally that large. I don't think you quite understand the scale you are dealing with.

4 words: Chaos Gods and C'tan.

/thread.
If the Chaos Gods and C'tan can't beat the Imperium, how are they supposed to beat a faction stronger than the Golden Age of Technology Imperium?

/thread.

Fan armor protects against all.

Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:Astartes tear apart basic grunt infantry that are larger and more powerful than WARHOUND TITANS in cc???
You are being extremely rude and ignorant right now by not reading anything that has been told to you.

How Astartes work against Titans? They get inside, plant melta and get out. They destroyed hundreds of them like this.
And I played the game, nothing special....

You cant get into SC titans...... now im sure you not only not know anything about SC, you are been ignoring the info presented to you.

**Brother Coa**

ph34r wrote:If the Chaos Gods and C'tan can't beat the Imperium, how are they supposed to beat a faction stronger than the Golden Age of Technology Imperium?

/thread.

Chaos Gods DON'T WANT to beat the Imperium...why would they beat the only source of power to them? It is the Imperium that feeds them with power, otherwise they would try to destroy it wih unlimited number of Daemon Legions ( and yes I am talking about thousands of Daemons bigger than Imperial Titan. Source Titan comic ).
And C'Tan are just sleeping - for now. They had already destroyed Old Ones that had technology that suprass even that of and SC faction.

/thread.

**ph34r**

Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:Astartes tear apart basic grunt infantry that are larger and more powerful than WARHOUND TITANS in cc???
You are being extremely rude and ignorant right now by not reading anything that has been told to you.

How Astartes work against Titans? They get inside, plant melta and get out. They destroyed hundreds of them like this.
And I played the game, nothing special....

Get... inside?

There is no "inside" a SupCom unit. They are robots. They have no internal vulnerabilities or crawlspaces for Astartes to enter.

And even if they did, who cares? Astartes are killed by the dozens and hundreds by Titans in 40k. To think that fighting thousands of SupCom titan scale and larger units would be easy is just... just plain stupid.

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Brother Coa wrote:Chaos Gods DON'T WANT to beat the Imperium...why would they beat the only source of power to them? It is the Imperium that feeds them with power, otherwise they would try to destroy it wih unlimited number of Daemon Legions ( and yes I am talking about thousands of Daemons bigger than Imperial Titan. Source Titan comic ).
And C'Tan are just sleeping - for now. They had already destroyed Old Ones that had technology that suprass even that of and SC faction.

/thread.

You sound like a 12 year old arguing. Please, at least try to be logical, or don't post at all. You ignore every time you are proven wrong.

**Brother Coa**

ph34r wrote:You sound like a 12 year old arguing. Please, at least try to be logical, or don't post at all. You ignore every time you are proven wrong.

And you are sounding like WoW nerd, there is no way SC can stand against Chaos Gods, or the C'Tan.
Necrons alone could defeat them, they can be anywhere in the galaxy in a blink of an eye, have insanely powerful units, have no numbers and can possess the machines to work for them.

If we are talking 40k as a whole then we can even count pre-Heresy Imperim with all 20 Legions of Astartes + Primarchs + the Emperor himself. Or the Eldar Empire or the Old Ones.
Unless SC have some kind of anti-magical defense ( witch they don't ) they can't do squat to 40k.

for the last time:
/thread.

**LunaHound**

No offense to anyone ,
ph34r, look at his name, his location, and his siggy.

The guy would make a proud agent of Imperium Propaganda Department.

"anti magical defense"

Sorry i really lol'd this is really ridiculous now ^^:;

a "World of Warcraft nerd" huh....

For the last time, what do you think SC stands for? you still think its Starcraft of something from Blizzard or WoW?

You call others nerds, yet your only defense is

" LOL MAGIC /thread"

**Brother Coa**

LunaHound wrote:No offense to anyone ,
ph34r, look at his name, his location, and his siggy.

The guy would make a proud agent of Imperium Propaganda Department.

"anti magical defense"

Sorry i really lol'd this is really ridiculous now ^^:; And how would you explain unnatural Warp powers or insane OP Chaos Gods?

a "World of Warcraft nerd" huh....

For the last time, what do you think SC stands for? you still think its Starcraft of something from Blizzard or WoW?

Thanks

And like I said, I played Supremme Comamnder. Nothing special...the story was short and not that interesting.

**ph34r**

Brother Coa wrote:And you are sounding like WoW nerd,

I am literally playing Warhammer 40k: Space Marine as we speak on my 360. I have no idea what a WoW nerd has to do with this discussion, but I assure you I am not that?

Brother Coa wrote:there is no way SC can stand against Chaos Gods, or the C'Tan.

IRONY SENSOR MAXIMUM

Brother Coa wrote:Necrons alone could defeat them, they can be anywhere in the galaxy in a blink of an eye, have insanely powerful units, have no numbers and can possess the machines to work for them.

Necrons are a small scale enemy. They are a threat to the Astartes, to the Imperial Guard. They are not a threat to HUNDREDS OF TITANS THAT ARE PRODUCED AT A RATE OF DOZENS PER SECOND.

Brother Coa wrote:If we are talking 40k as a whole then we can even count pre-Heresy Imperim with all 20 Legions of Astartes + Primarchs + the Emperor himself. Or the Eldar Empire or the Old Ones.
Unless SC have some kind of anti-magical defense ( witch they don't ) they can't do squat to 40k.

Pre-Heresy Imperium is powerful compared to Post-Heresy Imperium. Not compared to SupCom.

In SupCom the Aeon have psychics, the Seraphim are extradimensional psychics, and the Cybran and UEF have control of the subspace-like warp dimension that is used for interplanetary travel. They have Necron level travel capabilities.

**Asherian Command**

Oh not this again!

Supreme Commander Ships vs Warhammer 40k ships? So your saying every faction of the 40k universe vs every faction in Supreme commander. 40k wins because of their conquest of the gaxaly and pyskers, and massive ships and weapons that destroy entire planets.

Plus 40k has airpower and space power. Supreme Commanders forces are dumb and don't block out the sun. There aren't that many of them compared to the Imperium Fleets. The Imperium would just keep blasting exterimnatus's at them if they start losing and start destroying every single one of them.

Don't even get me started on the Tyranids and necrons they win automatically.
Tyranids Biomass = 500000000000000000000+ more of them in that one battle that the Supreme Commander people have just losted.

Orks gain new tasty technology.

Eldar die.

Tau try and ally them and steal their technology.

Chaos Gods infuse disloyalty through the ranks of the supreme commanders, chaos splittering of their forces percedes.

Space Marine chapters deployed along side imperial guard forces in crusades along with hundreds of other groups.
40k wins by the sheer amount and power in some of the races.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Yeah, whilst I could imagine from the information supplied that SC could kick the imperium's ass, I find it unlikely that they'll be able to fight that effectively against Demons and C'tan. I mean, we're talking about creatures that could alter the fabric of reality here.

**LunaHound**

Brother Coa wrote:Thanks

And like I said, I played Supremme Comamnder. Nothing special...the story was short and not that interesting.

So because.... you like Warhammer more, that makes Imperium auto win correct?

Tell me, am i wrong to make this statement ( and leave I LOVE WARHAMMER!!!! out of this )

The weakest unit of SC, are they not the equivalent of a small Titan that have guns that shoots like plasma cannon at the speed of a machine gun?
Are they not held together in essence ( 1 single atom ) due to their field, and is only vulnerable when the fiend runs out of energy to hold together?
And that they get pumped out of factories in 1 second per factory and the number can be sustained aslong as the planet has Matters left? Samething cannot be said about SM and GENE SEED.
Is it not true that a SCU can take over a whole planet within 10 hours?

Can confirm that?

**Brother Coa**

Asherian Command wrote:
Supreme Commander Ships vs Warhammer 40k ships? So your saying every faction of the 40k universe vs every faction in Supreme commander. 40k wins because of their conquest of the gaxaly and pyskers, and massive ships and weapons that destroy entire planets.

Plus 40k has airpower and space power. Supreme Commanders forces are dumb and don't block out the sun. There aren't that many of them compared to the Imperium Fleets. The Imperium would just keep blasting exterimnatus's at them if they start losing and start destroying every single one of them.

Don't even get me started on the Tyranids and necrons they win automatically.
Tyranids Biomass = 500000000000000000000+ more of them in that one battle that the Supreme Commander people have just losted.

Orks gain new tasty technology.

Eldar die.

Tau try and ally them and steal their technology.

Chaos Gods infuse disloyalty through the ranks of the supreme commanders, chaos splittering of their forces percedes.

Space Marine chapters deployed along side imperial guard forces in crusades along with hundreds of other groups.
40k wins by the sheer amount and power in some of the races.

Finally someone with reason...thank you very much...

**CthuluIsSpy**

Brother Coa wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Supreme Commander Ships vs Warhammer 40k ships? So your saying every faction of the 40k universe vs every faction in Supreme commander. 40k wins because of their conquest of the gaxaly and pyskers, and massive ships and weapons that destroy entire planets.

Plus 40k has airpower and space power. Supreme Commanders forces are dumb and don't block out the sun. There aren't that many of them compared to the Imperium Fleets. The Imperium would just keep blasting exterimnatus's at them if they start losing and start destroying every single one of them.

Don't even get me started on the Tyranids and necrons they win automatically.
Tyranids Biomass = 500000000000000000000+ more of them in that one battle that the Supreme Commander people have just losted.

Orks gain new tasty technology.

Eldar die.

Tau try and ally them and steal their technology.

Chaos Gods infuse disloyalty through the ranks of the supreme commanders, chaos splittering of their forces percedes.

Space Marine chapters deployed along side imperial guard forces in crusades along with hundreds of other groups.
40k wins by the sheer amount and power in some of the races.

Finally someone with reason...thank you very much...

Annnnd it's been stated already that SC already have all that.
But yeah, it will be one hell of a fight.

**nomotog**

Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:You sound like a 12 year old arguing. Please, at least try to be logical, or don't post at all. You ignore every time you are proven wrong.

And you are sounding like WoW nerd, there is no way SC can stand against Chaos Gods, or the C'Tan.
Necrons alone could defeat them, they can be anywhere in the galaxy in a blink of an eye, have insanely powerful units, have no numbers and can possess the machines to work for them.

If we are talking 40k as a whole then we can even count pre-Heresy Imperim with all 20 Legions of Astartes + Primarchs + the Emperor himself. Or the Eldar Empire or the Old Ones.
Unless SC have some kind of anti-magical defense ( witch they don't ) they can't do squat to 40k.

for the last time:
/thread.

The IoM on it's best day would be crushed.

Ctan might have a chance. Traveling anywhere in the blink of an eye is a start. Now they need several titan sized weapons that they can churn out of factory by the hundreds and even larger weapons they can churn out by the dozen.

**Brother Coa**

LunaHound wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:Thanks

And like I said, I played Supremme Comamnder. Nothing special...the story was short and not that interesting.

So because.... you like Warhammer more, that makes Imperium auto win correct?

Tell me, am i wrong to make this statement ( and leave I LOVE WARHAMMER!!!! out of this )

The weakest unit of SC, are they not the equivalent of a small Titan that have guns that shoots like plasma cannon at the speed of a machine gun?
Are they not held together in essence ( 1 single atom ) due to their field, and is only vulnerable when the fiend runs out of energy to hold together?
And that they get pumped out of factories in 1 second per factory and the number can be sustained aslong as the planet has Matters left? Samething cannot be said about SM and GENE SEED.
Is it not true that a SCU can take over a whole planet within 10 hours?

Can confirm that?

Against the Imperium - maybe ( it's already fighting on 1.000.000 fronts ). Against entire 40k - hell no.
And 40k is more epic then SC. No?

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nomotog wrote:
Ctan might have a chance.

They eat STARS for lauch for the Emperor's sake...

**CthuluIsSpy**

nomotog wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
ph34r wrote:You sound like a 12 year old arguing. Please, at least try to be logical, or don't post at all. You ignore every time you are proven wrong.

And you are sounding like WoW nerd, there is no way SC can stand against Chaos Gods, or the C'Tan.
Necrons alone could defeat them, they can be anywhere in the galaxy in a blink of an eye, have insanely powerful units, have no numbers and can possess the machines to work for them.

If we are talking 40k as a whole then we can even count pre-Heresy Imperim with all 20 Legions of Astartes + Primarchs + the Emperor himself. Or the Eldar Empire or the Old Ones.
Unless SC have some kind of anti-magical defense ( witch they don't ) they can't do squat to 40k.

for the last time:
/thread.

The IoM on it's best day would be crushed.

Ctan might have a chance. Traveling anywhere in the blink of an eye is a start. Now they need several titan sized weapons that they can churn out of factory by the hundreds and even larger weapons they can churn out by the dozen.

Dude. Necrodermis and Pylons. Done.

**im2randomghgh**

ph34r wrote:As a huge 40k and SupCom fan, I must say Supreme Commander with zero doubt in my mind.

In Supreme Commander, a lone Armored Command Unit on an uninhabited planet can raise a force greater in power than multiple titan legions in HOURS. Once an ACU has set up his resource harvesting capabilities, he can churn out an assault walking that is FOUR TIMES TALLER than an IMPERATOR TITAN in a matter of SECONDS.

The Dies Irae, most infamous of chaos titans that besieged the Imperial Palace, was 43 meters tall. The tallest record of a Titan's height is seen in the Imperator titan's Apocalypse datasheet is under 60 meters.

The largest experimental walker of the Seraphim faction is 166 meters tall.

A standard Siege Assault Bot is 23m-38m tall. These such bots are fielded in dozens to hundreds in standard engagements in Supreme Commander, and each bot can be fabricated in less than a second at full capacity.

A Warhound Titan, revered God-Machine of the Adeptus Mechanicus, priceless artifact that takes many years to fabricate even a single one of, whose loss is a devastating blow to its Legio, is 14 meters tall.

Supreme Commander ACUs have the ability to fabricate armies from nothing, given virtually any resource. They can turn energy into matter, and generate energy indefinitely with a variety of power generation sources.

An ACU on a completely barren world devoid of resources could still set up a base of any size given time.

An ACU is essentially a construct the size of the largest Imperial Titan, with an entire Standard Template Construct (STC) system built in by default.

The Imperium could never defeat any faction that possessed an STC. Supreme Commander's ACUs are STCs.

Warhounds are 14m AT REST (it says so in the IA book) and they rest on their haunches so 20m at LEAST is closer to the mark.

Either way, not important. Mortal weapons cannot hurt Greater Daemons. By definition, a single GD could destroy everything in SC.

Also, those alpha+ psykers who rewrite the laws of physics are just so damn annoying sometimes, aren't they?

ALSO, once the IoM gets their hands on ONE, it's done.

ALSO, in wh40k, there were the Men of Iron, who could practice Mass Production of 10m tall war machines as quickly as ACUs can, and the men of iron were as populous as humans.

**KilroyKiljoy**

GamzaTheChaos wrote:I would go for Warhammer 40k.

The only thing that could compete with warhammer 40k universe is Goku from dragon ball Z

I second this. Also, I just had an image of Piccolo vs. Orks. Awwwwww yeah.

**LunaHound**

Brother Coa wrote:And 40k is more epic then SC. No?

So me and ph34r guessed right, you DO factor that into your reasoning.

Count me out

**CthuluIsSpy**

im2randomghgh wrote:

ALSO, in wh40k, there were the Men of Iron, who could practice Mass Production of 10m tall war machines as quickly as ACUs can, and the men of iron were as populous as humans.

But they don't exist anymore.

**Asherian Command**

KilroyKiljoy wrote:
GamzaTheChaos wrote:I would go for Warhammer 40k.

The only thing that could compete with warhammer 40k universe is Goku from dragon ball Z

I second this. Also, I just had an image of Piccolo vs. Orks. Awwwwww yeah.

But then they might mistake him for Gork or Mork and make him their god. And he'd be da best fighta eva!

**ph34r**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Dude. Necrodermis and Pylons. Done.

Pylon, meet Mavor.

**Asherian Command**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:

ALSO, in wh40k, there were the Men of Iron, who could practice Mass Production of 10m tall war machines as quickly as ACUs can, and the men of iron were as populous as humans.

But they don't exist anymore.

Yes they do. Read Gaunts Ghosts. They are in eye of terror. We said on the imperiums best day. Deep within the imperial vaults is a copy of the Iron men.
humanity beat them.

**Brother Coa**

ph34r wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Dude. Necrodermis and Pylons. Done.
Pylon, meet Mavor.

Mavor, meet Doomsday Monolith.

**Asherian Command**

ph34r wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Dude. Necrodermis and Pylons. Done.
Pylon, meet Mavor.

meet the planet killer