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iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This again?

I will space iproxtaco from writing bible on "how I am wrong and he is right".

But seriously? Like this wasn't asked like 30 times since the codex was released.

I'll use that spare time to go and buy you a Dictionary and other guides to the English language because I don't even know what the hell that means.

Yeah I forgot, you don't live in this parts so you don't know what I meant

The translation would be: "I will not say anything because I know that you will stay all night long and write 3 pages on this forum on why I am wrong with my statements and you are right."

It is in fact you who should buy a book called: "Balkan customs and words for newbies"

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This again?

I will space iproxtaco from writing bible on "how I am wrong and he is right".

But seriously? Like this wasn't asked like 30 times since the codex was released.

I'll use that spare time to go and buy you a Dictionary and other guides to the English language because I don't even know what the hell that means.

Yeah I forgot, you don't live in this parts so you don't know what I meant

The translation would be: "I will not say anything because I know that you will stay all night long and write 3 pages on this forum on why I am wrong with my statements and you are right."

It is in fact you who should buy a book called: "Balkan customs and words for newbies"

Yes because these arguments are always the fault of one party. I don't know how many threads have gone down thanks to your shenanigans.

iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This again? -> Oh dear, it appears this topic of conversation is once again being discussed.

I will space iproxtaco from writing bible on "how I am wrong and he is right". -> I shall not force iproxtaco to display the numerous ways in which I am incorrect.

But seriously? Like this wasn't asked like 30 times since the codex was released. -> But in all seriousness. Wasn't this asked almost thirty times since the latest book describing the rules and background of the Grey Knights was put on sale for ridiculously high prices?

I'll use that spare time to go and buy you a Dictionary and other guides to the English language because I don't even know what the hell that means.

This transliteration brought to you by that guy who thinks fictional fluff isn't unchangeable.

And was apparently ninjaed.

iproxtaco wrote: I don't know how many threads have gone down thanks to your shenanigans.

Only 2, and both were mine. ( I asked for their closing )

But seriously, when someone asked something about Guard, Tau and Grey Knights we have like 15 pages of arguing "this is better" or " this will win because of.." or "I think this is likre this"...


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Durza wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This again? -> Oh dear, it appears this topic of conversation is once again being discussed.

I will space iproxtaco from writing bible on "how I am wrong and he is right". -> I shall not force iproxtaco to display the numerous ways in which I am right.

But seriously? Like this wasn't asked like 30 times since the codex was released. -> But in all seriousness. Wasn't this asked almost thirty times since the latest book describing the rules and background of the Grey Knights was put on sale for ridiculously high prices?

I'll use that spare time to go and buy you a Dictionary and other guides to the English language because I don't even know what the hell that means.

fixed

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote: I don't know how many threads have gone down thanks to your shenanigans.

Only 2, and both were mine. ( I asked for their closing )

But seriously, when someone asked something about Guard, Tau and Grey Knights we have like 15 pages of arguing "this is better" or " this will win because of.." or "I think this is likre this"...

Hmm.... It's definitely more than just two.

Oh so you did mean what I though you meant! Yeah, you're still wrong.

Most get pulled out of their fiery nosedives, or other people step in, which technically doesn't make your faults.

Classic! another Brother Coa vs Iproxtaco

I love it! will be following with interest until mods kill

An argument between them about who starts their arguments and who's wrong... it's like meta gaming.

Not tonight folks.

Kanluwen wrote:The Grey Knights Codex actually does a fairly good job of it.

This is the best and maybe only worthwhile (hence best) comment I've ever seen someone make about the Draigo fluff.

The point of Draigo is not that he's invincible but that all his efforts (and by proxy, all of the Imperium's efforts) are useless against Chaos. So the questions that Mat Ward is trying to ask you, the hook he's trying to get into your imagination is: if you knew you could never win, would you still fight? What motivates a man to do so?

Kanluwen wins the thread. Possibly the 40k Discussion sub-forum.

No, the question Ward is trying to ask you is 'OMG, brah, why haven't you bought my sewper cewl super special awesome SPESS MAHREEN? I mean, come on dewd, he's totally pwned a primarch and everything!'

Brother Coa wrote:Not tonight folks.

Durza wrote:No, the question Ward is trying to ask you is [fratboy impression].

Pointing out that GW employees want you to buy GW products is ... less than insightful. If that criticism makes Mat Ward's fiction suck then every single part of all 40k fiction and all fiction that is tied to a marketed franchise also sucks. So I think we had better take it for what it is and limit our criticism to what the man actually wrote -- a character who is the most effective, purest champion humanity can possibly generate and yet who cannot really stand up against Chaos at all. That's classic grimdark. Run it through the IQ-destroying culture of internet memes and it becomes the fratboy impression you just posted.

Manchu wrote:The point of Draigo is not that he's invincible but that all his efforts (and by proxy, all of the Imperium's efforts) are useless against Chaos.

Actually, the point of Draigo is that he's invincible (and therefore you should buy his model and start a Grey Knight army).

Of course Ward had to put the bit in about the damage Draigo does not being permanent - if it was there wouldn't be any daemons left for the Chaos Daemons codex!

So by that logic Codex: Chaos Daemons is worthless fanwank because the Daemons are invincible.

The cynical "I see through marketing" angle is not just starting to wear thin. It wore right through ages and ages ago.

Durza wrote:No, the question Ward is trying to ask you is 'OMG, brah, why haven't you bought my sewper cewl super special awesome SPESS MAHREEN? I mean, come on dewd, he's totally pwned a primarch and everything!'

Brother Coa wrote:Not tonight folks.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Manchu wrote:The point of Draigo is not that he's invincible but that all his efforts (and by proxy, all of the Imperium's efforts) are useless against Chaos.

Actually, the point of Draigo is that he's invincible (and therefore you should buy his model and start a Grey Knight army).

Of course Ward had to put the bit in about the damage Draigo does not being permanent - if it was there wouldn't be any daemons left for the Chaos Daemons codex!

WOW! You mean Codex writers try to make the units sounds interesting! I mean come on, would anyone buy a draigo model if his description was "So Draigo went into the warp....and he died...the end"

Manchu wrote:

Durza wrote:No, the question Ward is trying to ask you is [fratboy impression].

Pointing out that GW employees want you to buy GW products is ... less than insightful. If that criticism makes Mat Ward's fiction suck then every single part of all 40k fiction and all fiction that is tied to a marketed franchise also sucks. So I think we had better take it for what it is and limit our criticism to what the man actually wrote -- a character who is the most effective, purest champion humanity can possibly generate and yet who cannot really stand up against Chaos at all. That's classic grimdark. Run it through the IQ-destroying culture of internet memes and it becomes the fratboy impression you just posted.

So you're saying that the Draigo fluff is well written, insightful, and would have been considered remotely possible before the Grey Knights codex came out? Draigo's fluff explicitly states that not only can he stand up to Chaos, he regularly does, with impunity. And just because the majority of people agree something is terrible, it doesn't mean you're right when you say it's not. Classic grimdark would be if Mortarion came back and carved Nurgle's name in Draigo after Draigo was tired, because it would show their struggle is in fact hopeless. Your idiotic internet meme (yes, I can call your opinions memes to) reads into it far beyond what the writing deserves. Does Draigo get bested while fighting these innumerable hordes? No, because Ward doesn't want grim dark, he wants to have his own characters that are clearly better than anyone elses, because he says so.

It's quite amusing how instead of saying anything to refute my opinion, you simply slap the latest slang term over it and insult me, and will likely do so again.

i think what Draigo has done for the 40k fluff is make matt ward a target, even if he does write something that is insightful and brilliant it will be picked apart like crows fighting over a carcass. Its quite unfortunate because while i may not like his writing at present he does have potential to be a very good writer, he might need to get himself a writing name so that people dont know who is doing the writing though.

If he writes something-anything- good, I will retract all my former statements about him being a terrible fluff writer.

I think Draigo is the symbol of the transition of GK fluff from a Chapter of heroes who struggle against the Daemonic in a never ending and ultimately unwinnable secret war to GK are a chapter of heroes who terrorize Daemons in a never ending war. I like the image that the Grey Knights are constantly the underdog in their secret war, but more lately the image that comes to mind is an army of unstoppable Daemon killers that Daemons can do nothing against so their best option is to just avoid them entirely.

I think 2 things actually.

1. Draigo is dead. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

or

2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

oh no now caboose won't stop....

Durza wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Durza wrote:No, the question Ward is trying to ask you is [fratboy impression].

Pointing out that GW employees want you to buy GW products is ... less than insightful. If that criticism makes Mat Ward's fiction suck then every single part of all 40k fiction and all fiction that is tied to a marketed franchise also sucks. So I think we had better take it for what it is and limit our criticism to what the man actually wrote -- a character who is the most effective, purest champion humanity can possibly generate and yet who cannot really stand up against Chaos at all. That's classic grimdark. Run it through the IQ-destroying culture of internet memes and it becomes the fratboy impression you just posted.

So you're saying that the Draigo fluff is well written, insightful, and would have been considered remotely possible before the Grey Knights codex came out? Draigo's fluff explicitly states that not only can he stand up to Chaos, he regularly does, with impunity. And just because the majority of people agree something is terrible, it doesn't mean you're right when you say it's not. Classic grimdark would be if Mortarion came back and carved Nurgle's name in Draigo after Draigo was tired, because it would show their struggle is in fact hopeless. Your idiotic internet meme (yes, I can call your opinions memes to) reads into it far beyond what the writing deserves. Does Draigo get bested while fighting these innumerable hordes? No, because Ward doesn't want grim dark, he wants to have his own characters that are clearly better than anyone elses, because he says so.

It's quite amusing how instead of saying anything to refute my opinion, you simply slap the latest slang term over it and insult me, and will likely do so again.

1) Thats exactly what hes saying

2) Like the rest of the Grey Knights?

3) Their all opinions...

4) Draigo does a good job of that all ready...

5) Don't act like a fratboy if you don't want people saying you're acting like a fratboy...

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

Yes buy into the propaganda. Like a good little imperial citizen. It will help you sleep at night.

I've already listed how i deduced that the Grey Knights can be corrupted. in another thread. Let me find it...

Here are the key tenets of my arguement. The thread is found here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/404908.page

It'd be a great twist though that Draigo actually died that day against M'Kar and the Ordo Malleus made up his legend to inspire others, including new Grey Knights.

But GW doesn't have the balls for that of course, mostly because they couldn't sell a Draigo model then.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

Yes buy into the propaganda. Like a good little imperial citizen. It will help you sleep at night.

I've already listed how i deduced that the Grey Knights can be corrupted. in another thread. Let me find it...

Here are the key tenets of my arguement. The thread is found here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/404908.page

Spoiler:

Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted.
Fact. They killed the sisters to use their blood to fight corruption.
These two facts contradict each other. Either they are incorruptible and killed the sisters for no reason (or perhaps blood for the blood god). Or they can be corrupted.
Fact They fight along side deamons.
Fact: They use deamon blades.
Fact: They have a Knight in the warp. Now if the bloodtide can corrupt a grey knight, the warp can too. So either hes now dead, or corrupted and the inquisition is covering it up or he is a super special snowflake.

My reasoning. Using the facts, especially the use of deamon allies and deamon blades, the whole chapter has fallen to chaos.

Or the knights can be corrupted, and the ones who are are executed or escape into the warp. Inquisition covers it up.

You proved there were contradictions in the book, you did not prove your own conclusion.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

Yes buy into the propaganda. Like a good little imperial citizen. It will help you sleep at night.

I've already listed how i deduced that the Grey Knights can be corrupted. in another thread. Let me find it...

Here are the key tenets of my arguement. The thread is found here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/404908.page

Spoiler:

Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted.
Fact. They killed the sisters to use their blood to fight corruption.
These two facts contradict each other. Either they are incorruptible and killed the sisters for no reason (or perhaps blood for the blood god). Or they can be corrupted.
Fact They fight along side deamons.
Fact: They use deamon blades.
Fact: They have a Knight in the warp. Now if the bloodtide can corrupt a grey knight, the warp can too. So either hes now dead, or corrupted and the inquisition is covering it up or he is a super special snowflake.

My reasoning. Using the facts, especially the use of deamon allies and deamon blades, the whole chapter has fallen to chaos.

Or the knights can be corrupted, and the ones who are are executed or escape into the warp. Inquisition covers it up.

But it clearly says in the codex, "not a single grey knight has ever fallen to chaos". The information from the codex wasn't written by an inquisitor, it was written by a person IRL. Matt Ward isn't an inquisitor, or a brain-washed imperial citizen...thus you're point is invalid...

Harriticus wrote:It'd be a great twist though that Draigo actually died that day against M'Kar and the Ordo Malleus made up his legend to inspire others, including new Grey Knights.

But GW doesn't have the balls for that of course, mostly because they couldn't sell a Draigo model then.

Eldrad is dead. Doesn't he have a model? I know a lot of Eldar i've played used him

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

Yes buy into the propaganda. Like a good little imperial citizen. It will help you sleep at night.

I've already listed how i deduced that the Grey Knights can be corrupted. in another thread. Let me find it...

Here are the key tenets of my arguement. The thread is found here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/404908.page

Spoiler:

Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted.
Fact. They killed the sisters to use their blood to fight corruption.
These two facts contradict each other. Either they are incorruptible and killed the sisters for no reason (or perhaps blood for the blood god). Or they can be corrupted.
Fact They fight along side deamons.
Fact: They use deamon blades.
Fact: They have a Knight in the warp. Now if the bloodtide can corrupt a grey knight, the warp can too. So either hes now dead, or corrupted and the inquisition is covering it up or he is a super special snowflake.

My reasoning. Using the facts, especially the use of deamon allies and deamon blades, the whole chapter has fallen to chaos.

Or the knights can be corrupted, and the ones who are are executed or escape into the warp. Inquisition covers it up.

But it clearly says in the codex, "not a single grey knight has ever fallen to chaos". The information from the codex wasn't written by an inquisitor, it was written by a person IRL. Matt Ward isn't an inquisitor, or a brain-washed imperial citizen...thus you're point is invalid...

Please don't. Just read Crowe's entry and be done with it, the Codex contradicts itself.

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:2. Draigo is a corrupted GK and escaped into the warp to hide with the other renegade marines. The Inquisition/GK leadership is making a propaganda piece about him.

...........That's makes no sense....Grey Knights can't be corrupted...

Yes buy into the propaganda. Like a good little imperial citizen. It will help you sleep at night.

I've already listed how i deduced that the Grey Knights can be corrupted. in another thread. Let me find it...

Here are the key tenets of my arguement. The thread is found here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/404908.page

Spoiler:

Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted.
Fact. They killed the sisters to use their blood to fight corruption.
These two facts contradict each other. Either they are incorruptible and killed the sisters for no reason (or perhaps blood for the blood god). Or they can be corrupted.
Fact They fight along side deamons.
Fact: They use deamon blades.
Fact: They have a Knight in the warp. Now if the bloodtide can corrupt a grey knight, the warp can too. So either hes now dead, or corrupted and the inquisition is covering it up or he is a super special snowflake.

My reasoning. Using the facts, especially the use of deamon allies and deamon blades, the whole chapter has fallen to chaos.

Or the knights can be corrupted, and the ones who are are executed or escape into the warp. Inquisition covers it up.

But it clearly says in the codex, "not a single grey knight has ever fallen to chaos". The information from the codex wasn't written by an inquisitor, it was written by a person IRL. Matt Ward isn't an inquisitor, or a brain-washed imperial citizen...thus you're point is invalid...

People like you take the fun out of the fluff. No imagination. This isn't YMDC. To me codexes are the propaganda of the respected race. And by proving the codex contridicts itself, i prove you can't trust it. But of course GW doesnt have the balls to have draigo be a chaos pawn. It'd be too cool.