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Just tell me are they going to get drop pods?

If not: SELL THEM ALL!!!!

If yes: ARMY OF PODS!!!!

tarnish wrote:good old fabius will most likely be there. why drop such an awesome concept?

Yes, it would not be logical to drop such a great concept. Logical....

Gaah! Reaction dilemma. On the one hand, 'tis the Ward beast! He'll either toss lazy fluff since he's not writing about his shiny blue/silver EMPRAH stooges, or overcompensate and have the Chaos Legions already out of the Cadian Gate and surrounding the Imperial Palace at their earliest convenience.

On the other, maybe he'll toss out 30-point Obliterators, 18-points berserkers withfree power weapons on everyone and more of those grenades that make the enemy punch his own face that he so likes.

As long as he doesn't mess up Kharn. Please Tzeentch, grant me this one favor.

There is nothing as sad as nerds raging because their precious chaos space marines might become more extreme, over the top and perhaps even fun again. Take them seriously? GTFO. I want every traitor legion to have their own selection of units that come straight out of old-school Saturday morning cartoons, with some Heavy Metal magazine boobs and gore and thrown into the mix. The crazier the better.

Just Dave wrote:I can't say I'm really a fan of the sound of these rumours, nor do I really put much faith in what Ghost21 posts.

I don't like the sound of this new direction personally.

He occasionally gets things right and rumours of Codex: Chaos Legions are starting to gain traction. I think we're probably 6-8 months away from release. As for his predictions on content, this far out, who knows?

It will be interesting to see what releases they do. Can't see them changing the main CSM box, but I think the big four should get their own plastic kits (of couse, the World Eaters already have one).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

oh one last thing its ward

Die in a fire.


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Ostrakon wrote:Because why? You'll get coherent rules decently balanced against the other same-edition factions? (GK unfortunately notwithstanding)

But with those rules come with fluff written by someone who knows no restraint nor the meaning of subtlety, and who lacks an ability to convey stories and character without making everything extra-heroic and over the top (ie. 12-year-old fan fiction).

I like your formulation, HBMC. Ward's fluff is perhaps even worse than a 12-year-old's fan fiction, because at least 12-year-olds don't use every obscure word from the thesaurus in a shameless and pedantic attempt to spice up mediocre prose.

Not sure I'm in love with the idea of plastic Plaguebearers in the starter set (I've never really liked Nurgle stuff), but I'm sure that I could trade them for other stuff, once it's released.

When H.M.B.C gets on his rant-mobile, he sounds like my media studies teacher. That is NOT a good thing.

On topic: The bezerks must be due a resculpt by now, surely?

warpcrafter wrote:There is nothing as sad as nerds raging because their precious chaos space marines might become more extreme, over the top and perhaps even fun again. Take them seriously? GTFO. I want every traitor legion to have their own selection of units that come straight out of old-school Saturday morning cartoons, with some Heavy Metal magazine boobs and gore and thrown into the mix. The crazier the better.

So your saying we need some old school CSM with a healthy dose of Gwar...Im OK with this...

-Loki- wrote:I'll take Wards over the top over heroic fluff any day over Cruddaces collage of fluff copy/pasted from all different editions, with his own injected in for fun, to create a non-workable mess.

Agreed.

Although, in this case it will be "Ward and the design team's over the top anti-hero fluff" rather than heroic fluff.

Maybe they'll get Andy Hoare involved to write the Alpha Legion fluff. Moar mustache twirling!

Ostrakon wrote:I think that the hardest part of writing a Chaos book is the fact that you've got so many distinct kinds of units that really could get their own book. Daemons, CSM, Dark Mechanicum, and Traitor Guard all make sense as their own books, but even with CSM, why do guys like BA and SW get their own book, but Night Lords or Death Guard or 1K Sons don't really get anything aside from a single unit in a Chaos book?

Then again, I'd like to be able to field a Daemon Prince, a unit of bloodletters, some Emperor's children, and some traitor guard in the same force.

I'm thinking what we're going to see is Chaos Legions to represent the major CSM powers, Chaos Renegades to represent basically everything you mentioned above (barring daemons), and then Chaos Daemons to represent the daemonic entities. There will be some overlap I'm sure (some sort of daemon unit in all three books for example), but the three will be largely separate with distinct themes and playstyles. I'm looking forward to it!

Then again, these rumors are coming from Ghost, so they are going to be roughly 20% true, but only because he made some good educated guesses

As for Wardian fluff, I think you guys need to quit over-reacting. His fluff suffers from poor writing/phrasing and over-use of the same old cliche's, but its actually not that bad. If you think for a bit about what some of his 'extreme' bits are aiming for rather than taking everything so literally at face value, they actually make sense.

About Matt Ward... I don't think he's involved. Why?

Read this:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=239188

As per usual, that reaffirms why I don't visit B&C regularly.

Why the hell would you "rant for four hours" at Ward for the current CSM book? It was Gav Thorpe who helmed that project.

Read Kanluwen. It was the key word. He says he could have, but didn't.

Castiel wrote:Read Kanluwen. It was the key word. He says he could have, but didn't.

I did read it.

It was one person stirring the pot by mentioning Mat Ward, and then going on to make an assumption that Phil Kelly is writing the book.

That's a pretty big assumption, as by all accounts at the same time that Kelly was missing so was Robin Cruddace.

I posted it to show that Matt Ward isn't involved. The stuff about Kelly is all speculation, but Ward has said he isn't involved, which was the point of my post.

Actually, Ward said he's not involved in the "development" of Chaos Marines.

Seeing as how Codices are a studio effort and not one man slaving over a book I'd say he'll likely be involved in playtesting, fluff formatting, etc.

Chaos, circa Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned, was the best thing in W40K. Modern Chaos is, frankly, lacklustre at best and cringeworthy most of the time. Even Tau are more interesting. And Tau are boring.

Any move towards bringing back the level of atmosphere and character that Chaos possessed "back in the day" has got to be a good thing.

There needs to be anarchy, lunacy, an element of genuine insanity, and, most of all, weirdness. Frankly, spikey marines and rhinos with skulls on doesn't cut it.

Moar Skullz? No thanks! Moar Spikez? No thanks!

More twisted limbs? Yes please! More strangled-looking faces? Yes please! More misery and regret? Yes please!

(Incidentally, much of the above also applies for WFB Chaos)

I really hope CSM get some improvement. I have a bunch of codex, and of all of them, the one of the CSM is the least appealling.

Just Dave wrote:I can't say I'm really a fan of the sound of these rumours, nor do I really put much faith in what Ghost21 posts.

I don't like the sound of this new direction personally.

Sums up my thoughts too.

4oursword wrote:On topic: The bezerks must be due a resculpt by now, surely?

Not a chance. Pretty much every army release for the last two years (with the notable exception of Skaven Clanrats and Dark Eldar Kabalites) has kept the current plastics intact. Anyway, the Beserkers are pretty good kit IMHO. 40K plastics (DE aside) tend to age better than those of Fantasy. The Space Marine Tactical squad has essentially remained unchanged since 1998.

Kanluwen wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I'll take Wards over the top over heroic fluff any day over Cruddaces collage of fluff copy/pasted from all different editions, with his own injected in for fun, to create a non-workable mess.

Agreed.

Although, in this case it will be "Ward and the design team's over the top anti-hero fluff" rather than heroic fluff.

Maybe they'll get Andy Hoare involved to write the Alpha Legion fluff. Moar mustache twirling!

Matt Ward wrote:Just as Kharn was about to decapitate Marneus Calgar, something large and slimy slammed into his back. Kharn whirled around to face a man-sized creature with four limbs and a head reminiscent of spiky pancake. And all around him squamous pods were descending from the sky.

"Khorne damned Nids!" bellowed Khorne's champion. Kharne glanced at Calgar, who had staggered to his feet. "I'd Bro Fist you, but your wearing two powerfists ..."

Matt Ward wrote:"I'd Bro Fist you, but you're wearing two powerfists ..."

Hmm... think of all the everyday activities you can't do whilst wearing a powerfist. What if mid battle you needed to blow your nose, tie your shoes laces or scratch an itch in a delicate area?

This all sounds like complete bunk to me. 30k box set of pre-Heresy characters? Puh-leez. That will never happen. I also don't see lesser Chaos gods ever featuring anywhere ever again.

Brother SRM wrote:30k box set of pre-Heresy characters? Puh-leez. That will never happen.

Maybe not for the 40K game as such, but I could see them doing something similar to the release they did for the Gotrek and Felix novels. A set of collectible Horus Heresy miniatures like Lokken, Tarvitz, Garro and so forth.

And those models were too big to be used in games.

Flashman wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:30k box set of pre-Heresy characters? Puh-leez. That will never happen.

Maybe not for the 40K game as such, but I could see them doing something similar to the release they did for the Gotrek and Felix novels. A set of collectible Horus Heresy miniatures like Lokken, Tarvitz, Garro and so forth.

Those were Black Library releases if I recall. When was the last time BL had any minis released at all?

Um... that time I just said?

So on the timeline- 6th ed 40k first, then a Chaos Legions book later in the year?

Yes, chaos is in the starter set for 6th ed...? Does that make sense?

warpcrafter wrote:There is nothing as sad as nerds raging because their precious chaos space marines might become more extreme, over the top and perhaps even fun again. Take them seriously? GTFO. I want every traitor legion to have their own selection of units that come straight out of old-school Saturday morning cartoons, with some Heavy Metal magazine boobs and gore and thrown into the mix. The crazier the better.

^ This

I don't really care who writes the next CSM codex, as long as all the Legions aren't confined to the same book again. Having so many fluffy units crammed into one codex is too much, it's time to start branching out like the regular SM chapters.