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Hopefully the rumored hardback dex's will have room for them to successfully house multiple fluffy units.

I'll be ok with Ward doing Chaos Marines if it's as over the top broke as Grey Knights.

"Make your Ward save" never gets old.

CpatTom wrote:Hopefully the rumored hardback dex's will have room for them to successfully house multiple fluffy units.

I don't think the hardback fantasy books are that much bigger than the softcover books. And I hope they don't start doing 40k hard covers. The softcover books are expensive enough.

Ostrakon wrote:

Blitza da warboy wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Obtuseness

Obtuseness, n.: ignoring 95% of established portrayals of a fictional setting while acting indignant when new pieces in that setting don't conform to the tone of the extreme minority?

yes, exactly!

On topic: doubt these rumors considering that Abbadon is finecast (my heart weeps...) and so are the raptors, yet the post says that they will get new models. So with that said, consider me believing that this should be taken with pepper, not salt.

It's not inconceivable that either of these would get new sculpts though. They're both pretty outdated.

yeah I guess. Either way, all we can do is pray to the dark gods...Luckily, we have lord zhufor if one is willing to pay for forgeworld and doesn't mind proxying.

The hardback covered books are well worth the price difference, my question is are they up to the wear and tear a codex/army book takes and I haven't had a main army of mine get a hard back, so I am not sure. I think a solution for this is to make a digital copy come with the hard back doing two things:
A) Justify price
B) Reduce wear on fairly well built and pretty books
Most everyone has a phone or a tablet at this point that can handle PDF's, maybe they will get into this and make those with some nose for tech. not criminals since they are prolly downloading them as well as buying them. Tamurkhan is one of the nicest books I have seen in a VERY long time from ANY publisher, GW can do the quality. The question in my head is why should I carry them which beats the hell outta them? I also think you can easily put EVERY book ever made by GW on said devices and I will point out there is a GW employee of fair size who has exactly that, so not only can it be done, but it is being done by GW right now.

Looking forward to seeing the Tamurkhan book in the flesh... I doubt new 40k dexes will be anything like that, though- even if they do go to hardback like fantasy.

Worglock wrote:"Make your Ward save" never gets old.

Is that when you get a 2++ save for being an Ultramarine?

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Back on topic:
I can't wait for a new Chaos 'dex, I really want to see Chaos get a nice update with good fluff and rules, and some nice new minatures.

Not too much to ask is it?

Castiel wrote:

Worglock wrote:"Make your Ward save" never gets old.

Is that when you get a 2++ save for being an Ultramarine?

You’re also forgetting that “Ward” Saves also contain a 4+ FNP save

candy.man wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Worglock wrote:"Make your Ward save" never gets old.

Is that when you get a 2++ save for being an Ultramarine?

You’re also forgetting that “Ward” Saves also contain a 4+ FNP save

I knew I'd missed something!

I think the rumors sound fun. I'm just happy that the rumored legion specific units aren't just special versions of existing units, i.e. "_____ Terminators," that would have deffinitely made it a wasted opportunity.

As for Ward writing it, I don't think I care... at this point, the only fluff that "counts" for me is the fluff in my head.

Naming lesser chaos gods seems interesting. My guess they're just doing this to give the "undivided" legions more "umph"; by putting names to their theological stances and then putting more in the way of attributes to those names, GW can better characterise those legions.

Finally. I haven't been this psyched for a new Codex since 4th edition Space Orks.

I'd love to see some plastic Pleaguebearers, I need a 5th unit anyway.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle cult troops this time around. The thing that bothered me most about the current book is, that I can have Pleaguemarines, but only Terminators or Havovs with T5 and now further special rules.

I'm torn. Getting our fluff raped...but the opportunity to get GK-level whored up imbalance. Love the Ward roll line hahah.

Can't wait for new models! I'm excited

Dark admech must get their own book (or at least speical character that makes the army admech)
ADMECH HOOOO!!!!

Tell me if I'm wrong, but a Dark Mechanicus unit who brings some changes to the FOC would be enough for an Iron Warriors army, wouldn't it?

I'm betting Phil writes this book, and not Ward.

If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

Sasori wrote:I'm betting Phil writes this book, and not Ward.

Phil's more than evil enough that's for sure... I mean, when you slam 2 hive tyrants into a land raider, wait untill your very last roll to get a pen and then explode it while laughing manically the whole time?!! He's definately chaotic enough for th job!
I hope he gets this project, but then isn't he also rummored to be working on a forth-coming Black Templar 'dex too?

As for the hard cover deal, it's so worth it! I hate the current 'dexes, feels like I'm trying to build an army list with a dusty old antique... If I try to open the pages up more than halfway, the binding cracks and then the back pages will come loose soon after.
The hardbacks are great - I can leave them comfortably open on the desk/table and the binds hold up solidly. I'd rather pay $50 once than have to pay $35 + spiral binding cost at some Buisness Depot store... (which will still fall apart if you're not carefull!)



I'm hoping GW can give us a balanced version of the 3.5 chaos codex, that can still follow their current 'simplified/streamlined' approch. I loved that book so much, but it was highly abusable... (slaanesh siren daemon bomb = win!)

warpcrafter wrote:There is nothing as sad as nerds raging because their precious chaos space marines might become more extreme, over the top and perhaps even fun again. Take them seriously? GTFO. I want every traitor legion to have their own selection of units that come straight out of old-school Saturday morning cartoons, with some Heavy Metal magazine boobs and gore and thrown into the mix. The crazier the better.

Saturday Morning Cartoons? Sir, you offend me! I want someone to unlock the dramatic tragedy of Chaos! The intricate push and pull of moral nuance, all translated onto the board. Every unit fluff entry its own coda of dark poetry, maybe done in iambic pentameter. Maybe a lore shift away from the four gods and more geared towars Eris' discordianism, or pursuing an Ayn Rand theme of all-consuming self-interest (maybe having proletarian IG as Favored Enemy?). It should have its release covered with silent awe by the New Yorker magazine, and maybe be made into a movie by Lars von Trier.

Also, I can think of -several- things sadder than that. I mean, some other studio dorks almost ripped me off for $60 for a FPS map expansion disguised as a game and still made a cool 400 million at it!

I offer this dramatic reenactment of a scene from The Wire to illustrate:

Me: You know why I respect you, GW?
GW: Why?
Me: It's not because you're good game development, because screw that, alright?
GW: So...what then.
Me: It's because, when the time came for you to screw me...you were very gentle.
GW: That's right. Because I knew it was your first time.
Me: I mean, you could have bent me over the board and just pounded me right there sending dice all over the place, but you were very gentle.
GW: I know. I wanted to make it special for you.
Me: It was, man. It really was.

Kanluwen wrote:If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

Do any of the current Authors have a vested interest in Chaos? I'm pretty sure Ward has stated that he doesn't like them, and if Phil doesn't like them that would only leave Cruddance....

Ward may not like them, but he also didn't like Grey Knights either and did a fairly good job barring some fluff shenanigans.

Jervis has a vested interest in Chaos. Cruddace does too.

Doesnt White dwarf and Matt himself say that hes an evil player?

Kanluwen wrote:Ward may not like them, but he also didn't like Grey Knights either and did a fairly good job barring some fluff shenanigans.

Jervis has a vested interest in Chaos. Cruddace does too.

I think players would be begging to have Ward write it, if they heard Cruddace was doing it.

Kanluwen wrote:If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

And the last bad codex by Kelly was?

Sephyr wrote:
I offer this dramatic reenactment of a scene from The Wire to illustrate

Sephyr, you're a legend lmao.

I just want some flavour back in our Codex, none of this generic demon group all legions into the same pile bs. Legions mean Legions, Veterens from the First Founding, hardened by 10,000 years of hatred. Not pussy spiky marines. GAH!

Zerkers and the Dread need a model update most urgently imo. The FW Zerkers are nice, but they use the static poses of the CSM and look weird that way.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

And the last bad codex by Kelly was?

Any one of Cruddace's, as Kelly is supposed to be in charge of reviewing Cruddace's work seeing as how he's relatively new.

Ward's been with the company since 2005ish, most of which was spent working directly for Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

And the last bad codex by Kelly was?

Space Wolves actually. Many low costed units that were too effective.
I'm not sure how things were on the fluff side, but I doubt I would have liked it anyway, don't particularly care for SW at all.

I just want the codex to be good, thats all. Not filled with silly, over the top fluff and not marred by half godly units and half crap units. Is that too much to ask?

Kanluwen wrote:Any one of Cruddace's, as Kelly is supposed to be in charge of reviewing Cruddace's work seeing as how he's relatively new.

Again I ask, what was the last bad codex Kelly sealed with his name? I'm not particularity interested in his supposed babysitting of Cruddance.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Any one of Cruddace's, as Kelly is supposed to be in charge of reviewing Cruddace's work seeing as how he's relatively new.

Again I ask, what was the last bad codex Kelly sealed with his name? I'm not particularity interested in his supposed babysitting of Cruddance.

Then as Asuron said, Space Wolves.

It's basically a Cruddace book: several "no brainer" units paired with some complete "why in the world would anyone ever take these except to hinder themselves?" units.

Kanluwen wrote:

HMV wrote:Again I ask, what was the last bad codex Kelly sealed with his name? I'm not particularity interested in his supposed babysitting of Cruddance.

Then as Asuron said, Space Wolves.

QFT. I know this is the internet but have people already forgotten the intense complaining about this book? And unlike with Ward's books, which only really get flak for the fiction, the complaints in this case were about rules -- although, why everyone hates "blood" being in the title for every unit when it comes to BA and says boo about "wolf" being in the title of everything for the SW book shows just how popular it is to hate on Ward. Furthermore, the complaints about Kelley's book have consistently shown up ever since the book was released all the way up to today. Ward's books are usually criticized only until the next one comes out -- no one talked about BA/Necron fistbump after they could sink their teeth into Draigo. I'm sure the internet is already a-bristle chewing on some new bone out of C:N, so we won't hear much about Draigo anymore. The SW book was not just hammy when it comes to the fluff (it was) but also "broken" in a lot of people's minds -- and that opinion has proven very sustainable.

Anyway, I'm glad Ward is writing the Legions book. The CSM need to some high-wattage OTT badassery (especially Abaddon) and Ward is just the guy to give them their dues.

While I haven't played 40k in forever and from what I have read of Ward's work I am not impressed...he at least has been adding to, and maybe even progressing, the overall story of 40k.

One of the bigger disappoints for me when I would buy a new rule book.codex was that I never saw anything that added to the 40k universe. If there was, it was so little and so vague it was like getting to smell dinner but never eat any of it.

My hope is that with the stuff Ward is writing it provokes someone to stand up from within the ranks of GW and start writing, maybe even better stuff, for the universe as well.

I am always interested in a new codex and look forward to this one.

Chaos Gods, other then the ones we know of in 40k, cool!

New models, possibly, cool!