New rumours on Chaos Legions (latest on pages 30, 32 and 34; compilation in first post)

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**sennacherib**

Maybe the warp will manifest here on terra and matt ward will be dragged away to some teletubby hell where he can languish for all of eternity. That or GW will fire him before he can do irrepairable damage to the chaos following.

Nothing Matt ward can do for chaos is bound to be good. Next thing you know, nurgle will be brofisting with grey knights after they work together to fight off a tyranid invasion. Khorn will help the sisters raise a nunnery of sick and weary orphans. gack. please dont let it be matt ward.

**Manchu**

ProtoClone wrote:Chaos Gods, other then the ones we know of in 40k, cool!

Strangely, this is what I am most nervous about. If I were a betting man, I'd bet this will be the eventual source of the standard Ward-joke for this book.

**ProtoClone**

Manchu wrote:
ProtoClone wrote:Chaos Gods, other then the ones we know of in 40k, cool!
Strangely, this is what I am most nervous about. If I were a betting man, I'd bet this will be the eventual source of the standard Ward-joke for this book.

I think that is the part I am waiting for the most...what hilarity that will come from Ward's writing.

**Kingsley**

Bring back Malal!

**aka_mythos**

Fetterkey wrote:Bring back Malal!

Bringing Malal back is well and good, but it actually has to make sense. Of the original legions, are any of them really the embodiement of Malal (aka Malice)?-I don't think so. To put Malal back in through a Chaos Legion book would end up with something contrived that would have rewritten Malal's nature to such a degree that it would be Malal only in name. I'm inclined to believe that if there is a place for a Champion-centric deity of chaos' self-destructive tendency it would make more sense in the context of Chaos Renegade army than a Chaos Legion army.

**deleted20250424**

Fetterkey wrote:Bring back Malal!

He will be back and Ward will let you know Malal has been hug-fighting Cegorach in a webway seperated from the others. After neither could win the hug-fight, many bro-fists were given to each other. They ate some C'tan and attacked the Garden of Nurgle to free Isha and star in a new sitcom called 2 Gods, a Goddess, and a Garden. However FOX networks put it in a crappy timeslot on Friday nights and it got cancelled.

**Dysartes**

aka_mythos wrote:Bringing Malal back is well and good, but it actually has to make sense. Of the original legions, are any of them really the embodiement of Malal (aka Malice)?-I don't think so. To put Malal back in through a Chaos Legion book would end up with something contrived that would have rewritten Malal's nature to such a degree that it would be Malal only in name. I'm inclined to believe that if there is a place for a Champion-centric deity of chaos' self-destructive tendency it would make more sense in the context of Chaos Renegade army than a Chaos Legion army.

Not an original Legion, but there was the Sons of Malice who showed up in the 3.5 Chaos Absurdity as a quartered black & white paint scheme...

**aka_mythos**

TalonZahn wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:Bring back Malal!

He will be back and Ward will let you know Malal has been hug-fighting Cegorach in a webway seperated from the others. After neither could win the hug-fight, many bro-fists were given to each other. They ate some C'tan and attacked the Garden of Nurgle to free Isha and star in a new sitcom called 2 Gods, a Goddess, and a Garden. However FOX networks put it in a crappy timeslot on Friday nights and it got cancelled.

Hyperbole aside... all the "I'm so cute look at me mock Ward's writing..." its just trite.

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Dysartes wrote:Not an original Legion, but there was the Sons of Malice who showed up in the 3.5 Chaos Absurdity as a quartered black & white paint scheme...

Hence why I said:

ME wrote:I'm inclined to believe that if there is a place for a Champion-centric deity of chaos' self-destructive tendency it would make more sense in the context of Chaos Renegade army than a Chaos Legion army.

I obviously believe there is a place for them, just not in a book specifically aimed at the original Legions.

**deleted20250424**

aka_mythos wrote:Hyperbole aside... all the "I'm so cute look at me mock Ward's writing..." its just trite.

Hyperbole aside... all the "I'm so smart look at me trying to be pedantic..." is just trite.

**Experiment 626**

Sasori wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:If Phil's writing the book, expect it to be nowhere near as good as Wolves or Dark Eldar.

Kelly has no vested interest in Chaos. He only does well on the armies he plays/collects, and if he's working on Chaos he'd likely halfarse it so he can get to working on Sisters faster.

Do any of the current Authors have a vested interest in Chaos? I'm pretty sure Ward has stated that he doesn't like them, and if Phil doesn't like them that would only leave Cruddance....

Considering he's written 2 chaos books in fantasy & plays a WoC army, I'd say Kelly has a vested intrest in the evil ones...
And let's be fair, SW's have always been a problem child no matter who's written their book. It's simply the side effect of them being loyalists (and thus getting all the imperial bonuses), who fight more like chaos marines. (because they still organise & fight similar to legions of old, "as Russ intended".)

If Phil's getting the chaos marines, then it will at least have decent background without being obnoxiously OTT, and hopefully he'll be able to give them the same kind of internal & external balance as DE got.
I'd rather have anyone other than Ward, who'd be more than likely to give us laughably painfull fluff and rules that would make most opponents groan.

**frgsinwntr**

provided they keep the gods seperate if they hate each other in this one... Nurgle/slanesh, Khorne/Tzeentch, malal&necoho/everyone else I'll be happy : )

the Kumbaya (sp?) that is chaos now has me annoyed.

It'd be really cool to see Night Lords with their own section too...

I have to say I am really optomistic with this dex

**Lint**

While I'm excited for a new 'dex, what I'm most excited for is new models.
Plastic Obliterators that you can actually put together would be nice, as would new chaos dreadnought's.

**warboss**

sennacherib wrote:Maybe the warp will manifest here on terra and matt ward will be dragged away to some teletubby hell where he can languish for all of eternity. That or GW will fire him before he can do irrepairable damage to the chaos following.

Nothing Matt ward can do for chaos is bound to be good. Next thing you know, nurgle will be brofisting with grey knights after they work together to fight off a tyranid invasion. Khorn will help the sisters raise a nunnery of sick and weary orphans. gack. please dont let it be matt ward.

While the whole necron alliance with the Blood Angels was not in line with the 3rd edition fluff of a dozen years ago, it certainly is now that necrons have individual dynasties with separate motives/goals. While I agree that some of his ideas are quite Mary-Sue-ish and over the top, he doesn't deserve the bile constantly being spewed at him. People, he wrote some very short stories about toy soldiers that you didn't like but was prophetically consistent with the evolving fluff... he didn't molest your dog with a baseball bat.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Probably too much to ask for, but I hope there are entries for Plague zombies and chaos cultists, and I'm not saying that because I have a bundle of empire swordsmen lying around!

I feel that people have missed an important point regarding any new CSM - will it be chaos enough. i.e will they look like they've been stuck in the warp for centuries as opposed to being normal marines with some spikes (chaos predator kit and red corsairs are a prime example of this)

Finally, the great thing about chaos is that old models I bought years ago can still be used - It all add to the wierdness of the army!

**Flashman**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Probably too much to ask for, but I hope there are entries for Plague zombies and chaos cultists

If rumours of two CSM books are true i.e. Legions and Traitors, then I expect that will be something for the Traitors book.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Flash, I'm old school and I remember the days when GW would consider it a sacred duty to cram everything into 1 book instead of milking it with 3 books. Those were the days.

**Cyvash**

all these rumors are why im hesident at buying a current codex if its going to be out of date in a short time, and thats why im buying all chaos models as i can, because they are always going to be usable no matter what, except cypher i wonder why they still sell him.

**warboss**

That's effectively what they did with the current chaos marine codex and it didn't turn out exactly as we all expected. If loyal marines can have a half dozen codicies to cover their various flavors (which in my opinion is too much), chaos marines can have two full size 5th/6th edition codicies with the number of fluff and units both entail.

**ProtoClone**

I could see something being done in the rules for at least with Malal. Something much like "Mark of the Wulfin", but, "Mark of Malal". Put the mark on a model, non vehicle, and stay out of it's LoS. ...Just an idea.

**aka_mythos**

TalonZahn wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:Hyperbole aside... all the "I'm so cute look at me mock Ward's writing..." its just trite.

Hyperbole aside... all the "I'm so smart look at me trying to be pedantic..." is just trite.

That doesn't make sense. I used no hyperbole. If stating that I'm being frustrated that people take a silly piece of fluff and blow it out proportions is trite... you and the people who perpetuate these outlandish interpretations only have yourselves to blame.

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ProtoClone wrote:I could see something being done in the rules for at least with Malal. Something much like "Mark of the Wulfin", but, "Mark of Malal". Put the mark on a model, non vehicle, and stay out of it's LoS. ...Just an idea.

I don't think it would do the concept justice. I think there are better places for it.

**ProtoClone**

aka_mythos wrote:
ProtoClone wrote:I could see something being done in the rules for at least with Malal. Something much like "Mark of the Wulfin", but, "Mark of Malal". Put the mark on a model, non vehicle, and stay out of it's LoS. ...Just an idea.
I don't think it would do the concept justice. I think there are better places for it.

What if there is a random chance for it, the bearer of the mark, to explode in a flurry of skulls, blood and kittens?

So it would be:
roll 1d6. On a 2+, it explodes in a flurry of skulls, blood and kittens.

**whitedragon**

I don't care what's in a Legions book, as long as I can run a "mono-god" force and be "competitive".

And....since Blood Angels get all the "blood" weapons, does that mean Khorne will have "Skull" weapons?

Dreadnoughts with "Skullfists" or "Skull Talons"?
Berzerkers with "Skull Axes"!!!!
Bolters with "Skull Shard" ammo?!?!?
Chaos Hell Talon with "SKULL STRIKE MISSILES"??!?!??!?!
SKULL POWER/SAGAS!

SKELETOR?!?!?!?!?

BRING ON THE CHAOS LEGION CODEX!

**aka_mythos**

Oh I get it... more making fun of the past books.

ProtoClone wrote:
What if there is a random chance for it, the bearer of the mark, to explode in a flurry of skulls, blood and kittens?

So it would be:
roll 1d6. On a 2+, it explodes in a flurry of skulls, blood and kittens.

Skull, blood, and kittens... sounds like Khorne to me, not malal.

**blaktoof**

frgsinwntr wrote:provided they keep the gods seperate if they hate each other in this one... Nurgle/slanesh, Khorne/Tzeentch, malal&necoho/everyone else I'll be happy : )

the Kumbaya (sp?) that is chaos now has me annoyed.

It'd be really cool to see Night Lords with their own section too...

I have to say I am really optomistic with this dex

its nurgle vs tzeentch and khorne versus slaanesh

Unless they change the original fluff from Slaves to Darkness and Legions of the Damned.

Never ending Stagnation, vs ever ending change brutal valor and single committment, versus hedonism and excess

**His Master's Voice**

I do believe they already changed it to Khorne vs Tzeentch and Slaanesh vs Nurge quite a while ago. Might have been an excuse for giving Khorne all that anitmagic stuff, though I could never get why Slaanesh and Nurge didn't like each other.

**Deathly Angel**

Castiel wrote:About Matt Ward... I don't think he's involved. Why?

Read this:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=239188

That gives me a little bit of relief. I'll add this to the first post!

**gorgon**

Manchu wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
HMV wrote:Again I ask, what was the last bad codex Kelly sealed with his name? I'm not particularity interested in his supposed babysitting of Cruddance.

Then as Asuron said, Space Wolves.
QFT. I know this is the internet but have people already forgotten the intense complaining about this book? And unlike with Ward's books, which only really get flak for the fiction, the complaints in this case were about rules -- although, why everyone hates "blood" being in the title for every unit when it comes to BA and says boo about "wolf" being in the title of everything for the SW book shows just how popular it is to hate on Ward. Furthermore, the complaints about Kelley's book have consistently shown up ever since the book was released all the way up to today. Ward's books are usually criticized only until the next one comes out -- no one talked about BA/Necron fistbump after they could sink their teeth into Draigo. I'm sure the internet is already a-bristle chewing on some new bone out of C:N, so we won't hear much about Draigo anymore. The SW book was not just hammy when it comes to the fluff (it was) but also "broken" in a lot of people's minds -- and that opinion has proven very sustainable.

I think the Necron fluff is pretty solid. Not that people won't create complete misrepresentations or outright lies in order to have something to complain about.

The rumors sound good to me. From Chaos Legions to Traitors/Renegades to a 30K collectible box set...it kinda seems like they've been reading gorgon's message board posts over the past couple of years.

**candy.man**

whitedragon wrote:I don't care what's in a Legions book, as long as I can run a "mono-god" force and be "competitive".

And....since Blood Angels get all the "blood" weapons, does that mean Khorne will have "Skull" weapons?

Dreadnoughts with "Skullfists" or "Skull Talons"?
Berzerkers with "Skull Axes"!!!!
Bolters with "Skull Shard" ammo?!?!?
Chaos Hell Talon with "SKULL STRIKE MISSILES"??!?!??!?!
SKULL POWER/SAGAS!

SKELETOR?!?!?!?!?

BRING ON THE CHAOS LEGION CODEX!

You sir have won this thread.

**Anung Un Rama**

His Master's Voice wrote:I do believe they already changed it to Khorne vs Tzeentch and Slaanesh vs Nurge quite a while ago. Might have been an excuse for giving Khorne all that anitmagic stuff, though I could never get why Slaanesh and Nurge didn't like each other.

The nipple clamps won't hold because of all the parts falling off.

**Leo_the_Rat**

Decay is usually seen as the opposite of beauty.