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...Is it wrong to feel sick for CSM being pushed after SM according to this?

Really now?

Really?

I'm hoping this is wrong. Seriously. But the problem is...this would make an annoying amount of sense for GW's somewhat haphazard approach to things as well.

Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.

Powerguy wrote:

@chaos0xomega. Templars are by far the most likely candidate for the next codex/early next year release. Its almost certainly going to be Imperial (so not Eldar or Tau), DA are doing ok for the moment with the FAQ updates and Sisters just got shot in the foot with a PDF codex update, which really just leaves Templars.

The thing is, Templars are doing OK after the FAQ as well, so it might just as well be DA that are up next.

Lord Commissar Aquila wrote: DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.

I have been very interested in the rumours around 6th edition and Dark Angels and there appears to be rumours at both extremes, one minute we are getting them in the new box set the next we dont dont exist. My thoughts on this are "Seems a lot of talk about Dark Angels".

I think saying no one plays with them is a little unfair GW can change the fortunes of an army when ever they want. Sales are going to be based on how good the dex is you bring out a great rules set and people will start collecting them its that simple. Would be good to see a new Eldar Dex being rumoured soon as I dont get to see them on the table much anymore.

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.

Yeah, the hard choice between making more money and making less money.

Ah, the joys of corporate greed. 1% of the Space has 99% of the Traitors....Occupy the Eye of Terror and all that.

It's something they do. Fair enough. But it's bloody annoying that a SM codex is shoe-horned into every release schedule when there are still Codices from what will then be 2 editions previous that need updating - and two of those are SM codices!

Annoying? Perhaps. It still makes business sense, and if we want GW to stay afloat we should laud any glimmer of rational thought they show.

We tried to. They slapped on some bizarre price increases as a result (Why hi there Finecast) with some questionable quality.

I'd not be surprised if the CSM codex was the first 'hardback' and they tried to laud it as a sign of how 'hard' the army was (Anyone remember WFB Orcs? That was cringeworthy).

View it the other way around: SM are always sure to take a slot off the first view releases that have an All New Policy that will get thrown out of the window after the third codex anway.

chaos0xomega wrote:I don't believe it. The order of releases according to this are:
Eldar
6th Edition
Marines
Chaos
Tau/BT
BT/Tau

6th is slated for June/July timeframe, with eldar being "right before". That means the schedule should look kinda like:

April/May - Eldar
June/July 2012 - 6th Edition
August/September 2012 - Marines
October/November 2012 - Chaos
January/February 2013 - Tau/BT
April/May 2013 - BT/Tau

They might need to be spread out some more, but that means there is no 40k release scheduled at all next year until Late Spring/Early summer...

The idea of there not being a 40k release till late spring does fit in with what I've seen about fantasy releases, apparently VC are too be updated in January, and there will also be the second waves of things such as Tyranids and Necrons to be thrown in there somewhere....


This is entirely speculation of course, so don't quote me on this XD

His Master's Voice wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.

Yeah, the hard choice between making more money and making less money.

We haven't established if other races are less popular just because they aren't as popular, or because they get so little exposure, comparatively. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation.

I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?

If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.

DarkStarSabre wrote:...Is it wrong to feel sick for CSM being pushed after SM according to this?

It's an unsubstantiated rumor by a dude who's never posted a rumor before. There's no need to feel anything.

interesting

TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?

If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.

Just because a model has been finished doesn't mean there's any reason to release it.

That Craftworld Eldar Jetbike from 2006-2007 has been finished for years now and still hasn't been released.

El'Johnson wrote:
I have been very interested in the rumours around 6th edition and Dark Angels and there appears to be rumours at both extremes, one minute we are getting them in the new box set the next we dont dont exist.

Sir, kind sir, I would strongly caution you not to refer to your toy soldiers (however beloved they may be) in the first person.

It makes you seem... disturbed.

Ya know, there has been a ton of rumor mongering about Tau and Black Templar, then Chaos comes in-we all get pretty much set for these guys, then *POW!!* Eldar then Space Marines, out of nowhere. We have two choices here-the new Eldar then Marines information is bunk, or...GWs tightening of rumors is actually working a helluva lot better than expected and they're feeding false information to their leakers. Making us all get pissed off when speculations fail. Personally I'd rather see BT, Tau, CSM THEN Eldar and SM.

Not gonna lie, I couldn't care less about the Gaga's-I mean sisters. But we do need the rest updated. Dark Angels also deserve love, but they are so much more similar to SMs (in playstyle only-not fluff!!) that they could just have Beliel, Sammael and the Libby fixed up and thrown in white dwarf. Everything else should be fine as is, just play them out of the SM book. The only things they have different from SM is troop termies from Beliel, and those termies can mix and match weapons. Let Beliel unlock them and mix and match between tactical and assault termies-job done. I can understand them not seeing a serious update, but BT (oldest codex now), Tau (worst codex), CSM (boring codex, to you haters-I like it but want new stuff) and Eldar all need an update worse than others. I hope this new rumor is a joke and/or GW trying to throw out false information to throw us off.

Another version by "The Man They Call Jayne" http://secondsphere.org/index.php/topic,129654.0.html :

I have heard a few rumours for the GW high up through a mate. His source is GWs own Phil Kelly, who has just started work on the Tau Codex.

1) 6th ed boxset is set to be Eldar Vs CSMs, as they will be the among the first 6th ed codexes.

2) Eldar will be first, then Tau or CSMs

3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.

ghost21 wrote:I have to say that 6th isn't Necrons or Eldar, it's Chaos. I do know for a while 2 starter sets were planned

Two starter sets sounds completely bogus. Everything else sounds interesting, but by those same rumors we won't see Tau until 2014 which I sincerely doubt.

It's so easy to sound credible when you just drop a name here and there.

Kroothawk wrote:Another version by "The Man They Call Jayne" http://secondsphere.org/index.php/topic,129654.0.html :

I have heard a few rumours for the GW high up through a mate. His source is GWs own Phil Kelly, who has just started work on the Tau Codex.

1) 6th ed boxset is set to be Eldar Vs CSMs, as they will be the among the first 6th ed codexes.

2) Eldar will be first, then Tau or CSMs

3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.

Hrmm. This is sort of conflicting against a lot of folks being told CSM are one of the first if not the first after 6th ed.

But the dropping two slots for an extra? Ugh. That there is the Iron Warriors mistake. Right there.

I have to agree. A structure like that is terrible. If you're giving something up that you were never going to take in the first place then you're not really giving it up, are you? It's the reason why the Iron Warriors and Night Lords rules weren't great and why the Doctrine and Trait Systems were bad.

Not a fan of that type of FOC tweaking. In 40K, spamming units work very well (if one unit works well, two will work better etc...)and this just opens it up to more spamming.

I've read various rumors regarding Tau in more detail than any of the other armies, so I'd be surprised if Tau were not the next codex.

Ouze wrote:We haven't established if other races are less popular just because they aren't as popular, or because they get so little exposure, comparatively. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation.

Sure. Still, making lots of money with relatively little risk involved beats making lots money with a nontrivial amount of risk involved.

Anyway, as far as I can remember, Marines got so popular mostly on their own, back when GW treated marketing and customer profiling like a leprous beggar. Very much like today really, only back then it was ignorance, today it seems to be a conscious choice.

I heard the Dark Angels were hiring Creed ... Gork only knows where they'll pop up, if ever.

Absolutionis wrote:

TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?

If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.

Just because a model has been finished doesn't mean there's any reason to release it.

That Craftworld Eldar Jetbike from 2006-2007 has been finished for years now and still hasn't been released.

Not a model, supposedly all the models, and Marine models at that, which in GW's world usually have priority over Eldar Jetbikes and such.

If they indeed have the Black Templar models finishes they are not going to wait almost an entire year releasing them (according to these new rumours).

Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.

I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.

Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.

As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.

wuestenfux wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.

I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.

Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.

As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.

Well, in this case I share your concern, but the current Eldar codex came out in 2006 - 4th edition was 2005 and 5th came in 2008. So Eldar were actually the hot new thing for the majority of 4th edition - its just that 4th edition was very short! They were arguably the best around for a good 2 years, and they didn't suddenly become useless in 5th edition, they were just overtaken, along with everything else, by the most recent books. I think a lot of Eldar players underestimate how long they had under the sun.

Pedantry aside, I definitely agree. Better to be one of the codexes just after the new edition.

Dravenguild wrote:If Kelly is working on Eldar, and Ward possibly Tau and Black templars, does that mean crud is going to write chaos? And we'll get an even worse codex than now?

Speculation, maybe, overreacting, just a bit. But I want kelly on board the Chaos codex.

Knowing my luck, since I am a Tyranid player, he wrote Tyranids, and will then write Dark Angels. :(


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About the comment of Dark Angels that nobody plays. If this was true, then why did we get Necrons and Dark Eldar then? I thought there was more DA players before the new DE and Necron codecies.

I am sure this statement is false, otherwise, GW woudn't have gambled on DE. Same for Necrons. If anything this Proves that GW does take chances.

Cruddace has never written a Marine codex, and I don't think he will any time soon. Just doesn't seem like his forte.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.

I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.

Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.

As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.

Well, in this case I share your concern, but the current Eldar codex came out in 2006 - 4th edition was 2005 and 5th came in 2008. So Eldar were actually the hot new thing for the majority of 4th edition - its just that 4th edition was very short! They were arguably the best around for a good 2 years, and they didn't suddenly become useless in 5th edition, they were just overtaken, along with everything else, by the most recent books. I think a lot of Eldar players underestimate how long they had under the sun.

Pedantry aside, I definitely agree. Better to be one of the codexes just after the new edition.

Well, I've obviously forgotten how long we are under the sun. We can hope that the new Eldar 'dex is written with the 6ed rules in mind whatever rule changes we can expert.