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Important edit see second half of post.

Posted on Warseer, another version of what may come in 40k:

Lord Commissar Aquila wrote:Ok, so I was talking with someone who has connections to one of the model designers, and this is what he told me:

1. The Eldar dex will be out right before the release of 6th edition. Phil Kelly is the writer, which is why he wasn't able to write up the Cron codex.

2. 6th Ed will be released in June or July of next year (2012) if everything goes to plan; its currently in playtesting right now.

3. The starter set might be the Fall of Damnos, but he said he wasn't completely sure it would be set there. It will include Space Marines, of course.

4. CSM will get one of the newest dexes in 6th, right after the Marine dex.

5. Tau and BT will get a release soon after CSM; other races updated in 5th will not be updated in 6th as their rules (at least from Guard onwards) are allready suited for 6th. Ward will probably do the BT and might do Tau as well. DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
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He told me, in no uncertain terms, that Tau and BT will be getting an update soon after CSM (Tau first).

Fall of Damnos= Ultramarines vs. Necrons, contradicts with most other rumours.
Ward officially denied writing the Tau Codex.

On Black templars next:

Harry wrote:Sounds about right to me.
I certainly heard about these guys before heard much about Tau .... the order I hear about them was Necrons and Sisters at the same time, Black Templars then Tau.

Not sure what the story is with Sisters but they must be in the mix somewhere.

Edit: New information from 29th January:

Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :

BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!

Hastings statements on the starter box:

75hastings69 wrote:

which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos

Interesting

Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.

Not "just" CSM

Demons too?

No

Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?

Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.

Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.

No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.

Agreed (etc. etc.)

I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.

Correct (ish )
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I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread

Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.

1. It'd be right that Phil Kelly is writing the Eldar codex, though before 6th, really? If it was that close, wouldn't we have heard about it already and got details on the models and rules?

3. Bleh, Newcrons in the starter set... Might make it a little harder for me to deny the existence of the new backround. With more people playing them. Whether the kids choose them over Ultramarines is another story.

4. Would marine dex refer to vanilla or another chapter? Black Templars was mentioned as coming soon, and I really doubt that a new vanilla marine dex coming out so soon. Assuming that this is true, it would be a low marketing ploy by GW. On the brighter side, it might be an opportunity to fix some of the Ultramarines fanwank by Mr Ward.

1. Cool, I just hope they get solid rules. Phil's the obvious choice for giving the eldar some decent fluff, but his rules aren't as solid as Ward's, IMO.
2. Cool! I'll finally have an excuse to get the big nasty hardcover rulebook.
3. That'd actually make sense, but even as a 'cron player I'd probably rather see something like SM vs Eldar or maybe Guard vs Tyranids.
4. Again, yay.
5. No surprises there. What else would need a new 'dex, though? Maybe some other marine chapters, or perhaps we'd be lucky enough to get some legion-specific codices?

I don't believe it. The order of releases according to this are:
Eldar
6th Edition
Marines
Chaos
Tau/BT
BT/Tau

6th is slated for June/July timeframe, with eldar being "right before". That means the schedule should look kinda like:

April/May - Eldar
June/July 2012 - 6th Edition
August/September 2012 - Marines
October/November 2012 - Chaos
January/February 2013 - Tau/BT
April/May 2013 - BT/Tau

They might need to be spread out some more, but that means there is no 40k release scheduled at all next year until Late Spring/Early summer...

Not enough people play DA??? I am surprised at that comment. I know quite a few people (myself included) that are waiting for such an updated codex (I know, I know, we got a FAQ.....I want my codex).

If Kelly is working on Eldar, and Ward possibly Tau and Black templars, does that mean crud is going to write chaos? And we'll get an even worse codex than now?

Speculation, maybe, overreacting, just a bit. But I want kelly on board the Chaos codex.

1. Not really buying this one (aside from Kelly as the writer/Jes Goodwin as lead designer whenever Eldar does get done, imo it's basically a given). I'm pretty sure that no one wants their codex to be released just before a new rulebook/edition (so much potential to go wrong in the changeover) but I really doubt that Eldar will be a 5th edition book. The expected addition of flier rules, inevitable changes to the vehicle rules and possible changes to skimmers/movement speeds/cover and host of other things will all have a huge effect on Eldar (who are very reliant on mobile warfare) and I really don't see how they can work as a codex which bridges between 5th and 6th properly. Tau also fall into this category to some extent, they still have skimmers etc, they just don't rely on them exclusively so would probably work a bit better than Eldar. Ideally I think you want a Imperial codex just before an edition changeover, as they tend to have less exotic wargear/rules which can cause issues with rule changeovers. However I can certainly buy that work on new Eldar models/rules has already started, the release date is going to be more up in the air at this stage.

2. Haven't seen anything saying otherwise

3. Including Space Marines in the starter set does mean that Chaos Marines in the starter is unlikely. One thing I could believe is that if the codex release just before 6th is a Xeno codex (which from a timeline/GW policy POV it probably will be) it will be the other half of the starter box.

4. In line with the rumour that Chaos is going to be a much bigger factor in the fluff + everyone has been waiting for a proper Chaos Legions book since the current codex showed up.

Harry's rumours somewhat contradict the ones above it but are more in line with existing rumours and make sense considering GW have been sticking to the Imperial/Xenos/Imperial/Xenos codex release schedule. Templars next (Feb?) then Tau April/May (could be Eldar I guess, Tau more likely) then 6th edition in June/July. Then you get nilla Marines, followed by Chaos, followed by Sisters (maybe?) followed by Eldar. If they break the Imperial/Xeno release trend then things get almost impossible to predict.

@chaos0xomega. Templars are by far the most likely candidate for the next codex/early next year release. Its almost certainly going to be Imperial (so not Eldar or Tau), DA are doing ok for the moment with the FAQ updates and Sisters just got shot in the foot with a PDF codex update, which really just leaves Templars.

I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.

I wouldn't mind it if they did Necrons in the big box, that would make it much more justifiable to me to buy it, since I'm focusing on the Newcrons from now on. But since all other rumors have indicated CSM, I'm skeptical. But, with the new policies of GW regarding rumors and such, I am not going to put much faith in anything that isn't coming out within more than four weeks in the future.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.

I gotta agree. I have seen at least 2 Dark Angel players in local tournaments still after coming back into the hobby after 6 month break. I was actually considering a Ravenwing army after the new edition came out, but if theyre not going to release a new Dex, Necrons may be the final purchase unless the Chaos codex is remade to my liking.

WTF,, the smurfs get another codex,,the main reason why I play CSM!!

Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.

I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.

Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.

Ward officially denied writing the Tau Codex.

THERE IS A GOD!!

And these rumors seem to be contradictory to ALL other rumors just about. so there is not going to be ANY other 5th ED updates besides Eldar? Seems like a long gap of nothing new.

And I also call BS on the DA comments. With the Horus Heresy series and all, I just refuse to believe the DA aren't going to get their due.

Keep in mind that this is just one version of what release order will be. Other older rumours have other versions.
E.g. ghost21 thinks BT next, then Tau.
The unpopular=No Codex argument is nonsense, some of the most successful releases were of "unpopular" armies (Wood Elves, Dark Eldar, Necrons).
Starter sounds very odd, but then again those Daemons vs BT rumours were odd as well.
CSM Codex could have be mistaken for the Legions Codex, and the SM Codex falsely assumed as a given.
At least another source speaking of 6th edition next year.

This is interesting. I must keep tabs on this new rumour bringer. The truth will be shown here in the next few months.

thevirus wrote:WTF,, the smurfs get another codex,,the main reason why I play CSM!!

The most popular army gets a new codex in a new edition, why are you at all surprised?

I'll take my BT's sooner thank you!

Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.

As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes.

Apostle Pat wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.

As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes.

But are you fine with however much it may cost?

SickSix wrote:

Apostle Pat wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.

As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes.

But are you fine with however much it may cost?

Haha, good point... better start saving now.

I'd like to reiterate my belief that the new starter set will be Ultramarines vs Ultramarines, and they both win.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.

I don't think this will be the case. Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Grey Knights are all more elite units that you generally won't have all that many of. I present the Space Wolves squad as my case. There's precedent for either, especially recently, but I can see a 10 man box happening.

I can see something annoying like a 6 Marine/4 Scout box happening as well.

From the various podcasts, I have heard that there was a rumor that the Prefered Enemy USR might be changed to apply to shooting as well in 6E, of course this is only based on the fact that a very shooty Necron unit has Prefered Enemy.

But they were saying that if Prefered Enemy was going to apply to shooting as well, then Black Templars are going to be insanely powerful.

So if that is true then I can see a BT release pretty close to the 6th edition launch.

They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.

This would be all to nice to receive. Do you think that will happen? I for one do not.

Interesting new rumors. Not sure what to believe at this point. I'm just happy I've got my new Crons.

Hytanthas wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.

This would be all to nice to receive. Do you think that will happen? I for one do not.

It happened for Fantasy, so I see no reason to not expect it for 40k.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.

We must be thinking of a different GW - that's precisely the sort of boneheaded business decision I expect out of GW. The only thing that's at all strange about it is that the one they picked is actually a good choice: better the most redundant of all flavours of Space Marines than the army that's been stuck with the same metal Troops since 1997.