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Kroothawk wrote:

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3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.

ghost21 wrote:I have to say that 6th isn't Necrons or Eldar, it's Chaos. I do know for a while 2 starter sets were planned

TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?

If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.

I do'nt believe they actually exist... they wouldn't have been made finecost if they had been developing new minis surely!

geordie09 wrote:

TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?

If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.

I do'nt believe they actually exist... they wouldn't have been made finecost if they had been developing new minis surely!

Actually, I believe they do exist. We've seen the Craftworld jetbikes and we've known about them for years. Likewise the Seekers of Slaanesh were seen 3-up a good few years before even released. I have no doubt things get designed and made and then just left sitting around until they have sufficient amounts for a 'wave' or sufficient demand for a release.

Except Tyranids.

We ain't never seeing a Wave 2. I've come to accept that.

AresX8 wrote:
This would be one of the most incredible changes for 6th edition I can think can happen. It's internal balance in my eyes.

You know that's how the Iron Warriors worked in the old codex, right? I wouldn't shed a tear if I could take another Vindicator instead of having the option of taking two units of Chaos Bikers or one of the Chaos Marines' myriad other great fast attack choices! The FoC isn't perfect but it works.

Do not curse the prospects for a future Tyranid release by saying it will never happen!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.

I agree with you there, I mean last time they said a army was un-popular was the squats, and look what happened there....

Joy, Sisters are only casually mentioned. Ah well, at least I still have my awesome Guard codex...

Kroothawk wrote:Posted on Warseer, another version of what may come in 40k:

Lord Commissar Aquila wrote:DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
(...)

That kind of irks me since the entire reason I started playing 40K was because of the Dark Angels. Their fluff, models, and army character offer the gamer a ton of ways to make a cool army. The reason nobody plays them is because the codex was poorly written in 3rd, 4th, and 5th Edition. It took an Eratta/FAQ article to make the army playable again. Its not popular because GW has sunk the army. Its supposed to be a futuristic cavalry army - lots of bikes, attack bikes, speeders, and heavy armored marines dropping into support the cavalry right when they get in the thick of fighting. Now basic marines with Khan are better. They were the original All Terminator Army... but why play DA when GW made the SW a more viable terminator army? You can do everything the DA can do with more options. They are supposed to have some of the BEST psychers - unfortunately now GW made the Gray Knights who can do everything marines can do but better. Their chaplains inspired fear amongst other space marine chapters, now they don't even have a chaplain special character and the BT and BA have crazy chaplains. Sometime in 3rd Edition they became the army that has lots of plasma weapons?! and its stuck with them since that time.

The only consistent thing from 2nd edition to the current edition is that their terminators are fearless. Outside of that the Dark Angels have really lost their flavor as someone else can do their job better. Where are the Dark Angels that have killed other loyalists to keep their dark secret a secret? Where are the chaplains who would kill/send IG platoons on suicide missions when they caught site of a Fallen Angel? The Dark Angels are ruthless. They are the Angels of Death. Who else would search for their own fallen comrades in order to torture them to death to find more or even a hint at more.

Out of all of the space marine chapters, they need to update this chapter more than the others.

I wouldn't put much stock in the Dark Angel comment. Other than the Ravenwing kits how do they differentiate the rest of the Dark Angel sales from other Space Marine models? The answer is they can't. The only difference is a dark coat of green paint with wings and sword somewhere.

Small tidbit from Warseer about 6th edition that may fit here:

shaso_iceborn wrote:except in the new edition everything is based on percentages not force organization, Just a bone I am throwing based on what my source says.

epicusmaximus wrote:Can confirm the percentage thing

God I hope not....Then that joke of a GK army with 20+ Razorbacks is going actually be legit.....

Though for some armies that could be fun. I mean I run out of slots with my Dark Angel book so that would be nice. Also tend to run out with my Nids. Also percentages would help with Nid anti-tank....

On second thought I don't know. I'd have to see the way it's laid out. Like the maximums for FA, Heavy, and Elite...

My only problem with a percentage-based system is that it likely won't be possible to run my Crimson Fists with minimum tac squads and plenty of Sternguard. I'm not opposed to the idea altogether though.

You would believe that with the rumored FAQ/6th Ed update sheet for all the old codexes, that HQs that change the current FOC structure should also change percentages, etc. in the new system. Thus, Sternguard would fall under a different column for percentage if Pedro Kantor is your HQ. But, it's hard to make educated guesses with a 'seat of their pants' approach to changing the game, not to make it better, but to sell a new edition. Yay.

Hmm, percentage is good and bad,

Free-er to play with but harder to check if it's right

Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.

Breotan wrote:Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.

That was definitely a rumor as GW didn't say anything of the sort, but one of the rumor mongers mentioned it.

andrewm9 wrote:

Breotan wrote:Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.

That was definitely a rumor as GW didn't say anything of the sort, but one of the rumor mongers mentioned it.

BOK's TastyTaste is the gentleman that Breotan is quoting. Ghost first stated that the new box set would feature BT and Deamons. MadCowCrazy (whom I assume was quoting someone else) later stated BT and CSM. Ghost21 most recently stated that the starter set would include BT and a combined force of CSM and Deamons (He seemed to hint that this would represent a Chaos Legions force).

4th edition release
Chaos Daemons May 2008
Orks January 2008
Chaos Space Marines September 2007

Hope we get 5th edition codexes before 6th edition comes out. Of course hoping these armies don't get the Necron treatment of being ignored for a few years.

The percentages thing seems suspicious if only because that's what Fantasy does and it's only natural to assume 40k will follow suit.

Then again, I wouldn't mind being able to take three Tyranid Primes. I'm just afraid of modeling them and having them completely invalidated by the time 7th edition comes along.

FOC would be fine if they just adjusted it more based on points. It's silly now that in 500 pt games I can field 2 HQ choices and in 2500 pt games it doesn't open up more. Same in every slot. I won't knock percentages until I see how they handle it this go around but it was stupid in 2nd...

My IG welcomes the rumored FOC changes warmly, I´ll trade the all the elite and troop slots I dont use for more HS

M.

I second that FOC swapping for my Imp Guard. Although I would have to buy more models then, but hey who wouldn't want to use 15 vendettas...

Absolutionis wrote:The percentages thing seems suspicious if only because that's what Fantasy does and it's only natural to assume 40k will follow suit.

Then again, I wouldn't mind being able to take three Tyranid Primes. I'm just afraid of modeling them and having them completely invalidated by the time 7th edition comes along.

40k did in 2nd edition, but back then you could basically play 40k vs. Fantasy since the rules were more similar than they are now.

Alex0077 wrote:I second that FOC swapping for my Imp Guard. Although I would have to buy more models then, but hey who wouldn't want to use 15 vendettas...

15 vendettas? Hell, just imagine how many Rapier Laser Destroyers you could field using percentages!

endtransmission wrote:15 vendettas? Hell, just imagine how many Rapier Laser Destroyers you could field using percentages!

Cue the evil laughter - and the empty bank account...

If they went to percentages (which they utilized in 2nd edition), then we would have a FOC requirements and percentages?

What would that really accomplish? I don't forsee it forcing us to buy more models to existing armies and I don't see how the current FOC is unbalanced; it appears to give players enough flexibility to build the kind of army they want, generally speaking.

Having just got into playing WHFB myself, I like the percentage system, but it could benefit from some tweaks. For example, having a certain HQ change the points requirement for troops, or if you go with 1 HQ at a low percentage then allowing you to include a higher percentage of elites. There are tons of possible options that would truly allow us to field the army of our choice.

Of course, some in-balances could occur, but the rules don't have to be the same for each codex. Just a thought I've had with my buddies after a few cases of beer.

I hope there is some restriction, in addition to the percentages.

I really don't want to be across the tabletop from 9 Hydras and 3 Manticores.

Sarigar wrote:What would that really accomplish?

Selling more models.

Remove restrictions = people bring whatever they want = people buy more.

Sasori wrote:I hope there is some restriction, in addition to the percentages.

I really don't want to be across the tabletop from 9 Hydras and 3 Manticores.

Or 12 Valkyries, loaded to the brim with Veteran squads!

I'm not gonna lie. I like the restrictions being removed. It means I can haul out all my Sentinels more often.