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Dont think Iv ever seen the Avatar do amazing, just seems to get bogged down and not do much damage.

Maybe thats just my personal experience though.

Wraithlord, just like my answer in any of these threads,
Cool models > Rules

Dreadknight with personal teleporter, daemon hammer and incinerator

DK wrote:fateweaver vs a DreadKnight

every wound that the DreadKnight deals out (DaemonBane SR) Fateweaver will have to take a Ld test with -1ld. then will have to take another due to its own SR with -1Ld, one fail and the Daemon is gone

Fateweaver is ws4 vs DK 6 so hits on 3+ rerolls
Fateweaver has T5 vs DK S6 so wounds on 3+ rerolls
the Fateweaver might get to reroll Sv but its 333pts vs 155pts, you can field 2 for 310. Fateweaver will be Daemon Sushi

His own special rule doesn't incur a negative modifier.
Besides that, Fateweaver isn't supposed to fight in combat. And even if he does there's plenty of backup nearby seeing as he'll have most if the daemon army within 6 inches of him.

But yes, I suppose you're right. A dreadknight MIGHT get into combat and MIGHT wound a character that isn't meant for combat.

Toastedandy wrote:Wraithlord, just like my answer in any of these threads,
Cool models > Rules

Which is why I chose the Avatar

My fav and probably the best MC in the game is the Avatar of Khaine (he technically isnt a SC MC, just a MC)

He has a melta gun, he is immune to melta/flame effects, he makes any eldar within 12 Fearless, he has a good statline, he has good inititive, he has WS10, and he has 3+ save and 4+ invul, Also, is only 155 points.


Best SC mc in the game is Fateweaver hands down.
Besides haveing a 3+ invul that is rerollable, and despite his attacks being able to cause instant death (soul devourer, leadership vs instant death if you take a wound) he also has all the other powers of tzeentch, and can do multiple a turn! (3) at 3 different targets if you want, and he can choose which to assualt if he wants (bolt the vehicle, it dosnt die! assualt! Str 5+ 2d6 arm pen is nice)

As for him vs a dreadknight? Fateweaver wins. he can fly and put AP2 and AP1 shots into the Dreadknight. plus he could just change the dreadknight into a spawn (sure it happens on a 6+ but still >.> possible) and he can still do that in close combat. Besides if the dreadknight gets into CC with Fateweaver a 3+ rerollable invul is better then a 5+ invul that if you fail you too have to take a leadership vs death

For looks:

Chronos Parasite Engine

For groovies

Lord of Change

forruner_mercy wrote:The Avatar of Khaine is pretty cool.

the avatar of khaine is a daemon, DreadKnight would wipe the floor with him

DK, i think you need to read my post rather than spamming about dreadknights.

Also, i find it amusing you picked the synergy character, to compare to a CC monster.
Not alot of logic

If you want to compare fighting, compare it to a thirster.

However, fateweaver is a force multiplier.
The whole reason for him being there is to get the re-rolls and keep your army going for longer.
Now, with daemons having to DS in, this really does up the survival rate of a piece-meal army.


Also DK, we get your point, please stop spamming "DREADKNIGHT" every time someone says a different one.
Find a logical reply if you have to, rather than your own opinion.




However, for a tank i do agree that ku'gath takes some beating.
T6, 6 wounds, 4++ and FNP.
Also, unlike the other GUO's he has the ability to kill at range, and he does it well.
Throw him in a tally list and it builds pretty quickly.

What are the stats on the Dreadknight?
Another thing is that the Avatar of Khaine is not intended to be a CC monster. Giving your units within 12 inches Fearless is not to be taken lightly, nor its melta attack.

forruner_mercy wrote:The Avatar of Khaine should be pretty cool.

Had to.

If as a proper daemon the Avatar had EW amongst a few other tweeks, it might be worthy competition.

Well i am trying to explain why the DK as the OP has asked to do. also this thread was what is the best, i didn't interpret that as the best army supporter, that being the case i would go with the fateweaver but that 6" range always seems to not be far enough

that being said i apologize for Spamming, my point was the adaptability of the DK and is low pts to field.

as for SKARBRAND he is awesome when you want to annoy armys that have rerolls to hit, like Black templar and there accept any challenge. funny when it dosen't help them.

DK wrote:Well i am trying to explain why the DK as the OP has asked to do. also this thread was what is the best, i didn't interpret that as the best army supporter, that being the case i would go with the fateweaver but that 6" range always seems to not be far enough

that being said i apologize for Spamming, my point was the adaptability of the DK and is low pts to field.

as for SKARBRAND he is awesome when you want to annoy armys that have rerolls to hit, like Black templar and there accept any challenge. funny when it dosen't help them.

DK, becuase I have never face GK I don't know how good the DK is but, the question has evolved. Becuase there are so many roles a MC can fill and so many MCs coming up, I've decided the easiest way to settle this is, to split the MCs into 4 catagories (Slayer, Shooter, Snergi, and Tank), then conpare those 4. I know you vote Dk but, I'd like to see your vote for the other 3 catagory (and what classify the Dk as). Example: Hive Tyrant is a Slayer type, Tyrannofex is a shooter type, Carnifex is a Tank type, and Tervigon is a Snergi type.

I think the word you're looking for is "Synergy", Broodstar.


Going with the 4 categories, I'd say:
Slayer: Bloodthirster or Swarmlord
Shooter: Dreadknight? honestly not sure on this one.
Tank: Probably Ku'Gath/GUO. If Wraithlords had an invuln save and another wound, it'd be them, but they don't, so it isnt
Synergy: Tervigon or Fateweaver

Shooter: Lord of Change, tooled up, or possibly Tyrannofex

Maenus_Rajhana wrote:I think the word you're looking for is "Synergy", Broodstar.


Going with the 4 categories, I'd say:
Slayer: Bloodthirster or Swarmlord
Shooter: Dreadknight? honestly not sure on this one.
Tank: Probably Ku'Gath/GUO. If Wraithlords had an invuln save and another wound, it'd be them, but they don't, so it isnt
Synergy: Tervigon or Fateweaver

Thank you I can't spell worth a !

Swarmlord or Dreadknight.

I find myself almost unable to answer this question, best MC, in terms of what, I'd have to consider killing power, support (what they give to an army and what they can do to other MCs of other armies), model looks, cost.

So people seem to be arguing bloodthrister (skarbrand) vs. swarmlord. To decide, but there is the fact the swarmlord can make the bloodthrister WS1, I intensely dislike the bloodthirster model, but there isn't even a model for the swarmlord, the swarmlord can make the bloodthrister reroll invulnerable saves and has more wounds but he also costs more and can't fly.

So I think you can't decide on an outright fight, that's the problem with mathammer.

I think my vote would be for one that I haven't seen get a vote.

The talos, they're cheap, they're strong and can do crazy amounts of damage for their points cost, and I think they are gorgeous models. So vs. a blood thirster they may not survive but 3 of them with with furious charge (about the same points cost) would kill it.

DK - so much wrong there

WS of a DK is 5, not 6
Preferred enemy rerolls to hit, not to wound, unless youre taking the greatsword which is fairly meh when a hammer is better in almost all circumstances (just doesnt look as good)
FW only Ld test is at normal Ld, as is the test for Daemonbane

Oh, and Daemonbane is NOT on every Wound, just IF they have been wounded they take A test.

Let's see, Coolest looking I'd have to give to the Trygon. That big beastie just has such an awesome model.

For best overall, I'd probably have to give it o the Tervigon. It can be a scoring unit, Produces MORE scoring units, can cast FNP, can add upgrades to nearby Termagaunts, including giving them Counter-attack, Poison and Adrenal glands JUST for having it on the Tervigon.

To top this off, it's a 6T 6W MC. It's really hard to beat that kind of utility for the points cost. Sure, the DK may be better in combat, but it doesn't bring to the table anything else besides that.

The Best Value for it's points, is probably the Canoptek Spyder. for a few more points you can pull wound allocation on a squad of 3 T6 3W MCs. Not bad at all.

Talos are pretty cool if equipped correctly.

I'm going to go with the tentative front runner here and say the tervigon. T6, W6, poops out scoring units, puts buffs on nearby modles. The best in my opinion.

I also agree that the wraithlord isn't bad, what with needing S5 to even touch it, but I think that it gets beaten by a demon prince with wings.

Wings make this a fast fellow. 130 pts. makes it very cheap. Once you get to this point, you can also give it T7 (not that great), or a 4++ (yes please), or lash, which allows you to move 12", move your opponents up to 12", and then charge them for 6" giving this DP a HUGE threat range, much less all of the other zany shenanigans that you can pull off with lash. Even with just a MoK it's still a beatstick. Not as much of a beatstick as other MC's, certainly, but it's really hard to beat its low, low price.