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Then how does it fire? Surely there has to be firing mechanism to ignite the powder?

King Pariah wrote:
Do you ever think outside of space marines? I don't know, like what could be used by the IG? These weapons I posted are operable by humans like you and I, well, I don't know about you.

Uh... Imperial Guard Heavy Weapons Teams? They have Heavy Bolters, Lascannons... Multilasers are like Gatling, but more powerful being an energy weapon.
Oh, they also have mini tank cannon as a field weapon and can fire it almost full auto...

@ CthuluIsSpy- Think you meant to switch those two around

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Then how does it fire? Surely there has to be firing mechanism to ignite the powder?

Nope, the Company who made this weapon (interestingly enough is also named Metal Storm), made it so it fires via an electrical signal. And i think all the weapons the make are like this. Who says Australians can't be bad ass?

King Pariah wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Then how does it fire? Surely there has to be firing mechanism to ignite the powder?

Nope, the Company who made this weapon (interestingly enough is also named Metal Storm), made it so it fires via an electrical signal. And i think all the weapons the make are like this. Who says Australians can't be bad ass?

However plasma would present a large problem...
Possibly bolt rounds as well...

Harriticus wrote:Honestly, UAV's would be quite useful for the Imperium and every armed faction in it.

Except Necrons.

TheAngrySquig wrote:@ CthuluIsSpy- Think you meant to switch those two around

How so?

Is it the firing mechanism that gets ignited by the powder?
That doesn't seem right.


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Mr Nobody wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Honestly, UAV's would be quite useful for the Imperium and every armed faction in it.

Except Necrons.

And tyranids.
And Tau (they already have it...and its better)
And Chaos (Daemons, man. Damn psychic powers.)
And Eldar (Again, psy powers)

Brother Coa wrote:

King Pariah wrote:
Do you ever think outside of space marines? I don't know, like what could be used by the IG? These weapons I posted are operable by humans like you and I, well, I don't know about you.

Uh... Imperial Guard Heavy Weapons Teams? They have Heavy Bolters, Lascannons... Multilasers are like Gatling, but more powerful being an energy weapon.
Oh, they also have mini tank cannon as a field weapon and can fire it almost full auto...

And how many of these weapons are operable by a single person? hmmmm... that's right, none. Sure you can "snipe" something with a lascannon, but in a team carrying around a weapon like that, someone is bound to spot you. Meanwhile with the NTW-20 and XM-109, they both can be operated by an individual. and these would make great replacements for the IG sniper rifles. And comparing Metal Storm to anything gatling ish or machine gun ish is laughable. they only fire hundreds or thousands of rounds per minute. Metal storm can fire MILLIONS of rounds per minute. Nothing in 40k fluff points to being able to release such a volume of fire.

For you who do not understand this quite well:

Imperium from year 40.999, finding Human weapons from year 2010 would be like solder from 2010 found musket from year 1490.

Now would he use it?

King Pariah wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

King Pariah wrote:
Do you ever think outside of space marines? I don't know, like what could be used by the IG? These weapons I posted are operable by humans like you and I, well, I don't know about you.

Uh... Imperial Guard Heavy Weapons Teams? They have Heavy Bolters, Lascannons... Multilasers are like Gatling, but more powerful being an energy weapon.
Oh, they also have mini tank cannon as a field weapon and can fire it almost full auto...

And how many of these weapons are operable by a single person? hmmmm... that's right, none. Sure you can "snipe" something with a lascannon, but in a team carrying around a weapon like that, someone is bound to spot you. Meanwhile with the NTW-20 and XM-109, they both can be operated by an individual. and these would make great replacements for the IG sniper rifles. And comparing Metal Storm to anything gatling ish or machine gun ish is laughable. they only fire hundreds or thousands of rounds per minute. Metal storm can fire MILLIONS of rounds per minute. Nothing in 40k fluff points to being able to release such a volume of fire.

Except punisher gatlings.
But no one ever uses those...

Okay so a quick lesson on how the Metal storm rounds are fired...


I'm too lazy to go into it so here you go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlnMwuCZso

(Note: the actual video is kinda old, the rate of fire can be sustained now (which result in one moving part so I am wrong there) and I believe India(?) has purchased several Metal Storms for their own use... said for anti terrorism purposes)

King Pariah wrote:
And how many of these weapons are operable by a single person? hmmmm... that's right, none. Sure you can "snipe" something with a lascannon, but in a team carrying around a weapon like that, someone is bound to spot you. Meanwhile with the NTW-20 and XM-109, they both can be operated by an individual. and these would make great replacements for the IG sniper rifles. And comparing Metal Storm to anything gatling ish or machine gun ish is laughable. they only fire hundreds or thousands of rounds per minute. Metal storm can fire MILLIONS of rounds per minute. Nothing in 40k fluff points to being able to release such a volume of fire.

-When was the last time you saw single Guardsman? Guardsman also goes in sniper teams.
-Long Las is perfectly fine, and having a long range and 100% accuracy ( you can piratically stand and still have 100% accuracy ).
-Million very weak rounds per minute, completely useless in the battlefields of 41'st millennium where basic enemy is strong as an Elephant. If you want to debate that this peace of gun turret is better then Heavy Bolter turret you can.

NTW-20 and XM-109 may be powerful, but they require ammo and Long Las is recharging on the Sunlight and pack more punch since it is creating mini plasma explosion on impact ( every las weapons does ).

You know...a mek would sell every single gubbin he has for one of those...

The sheer amount of Dakka shall be GLORIOUS!

Edit= I was referring to metal storm

King Pariah wrote:Okay so a quick lesson on how the Metal storm rounds are fired...


I'm too lazy to go into it so here you go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlnMwuCZso

(Note: the actual video is kinda old, the rate of fire can be sustained now (which result in one moving part so I am wrong there) and I believe India(?) has purchased several Metal Storms for their own use... said for anti terrorism purposes)

This video proves this thing even more useless, it will fire all it's ammo in a sort time. and after that it would need to be recharge.
Good maybe against Human targets. But everything else....

Brother Coa wrote:

King Pariah wrote:Okay so a quick lesson on how the Metal storm rounds are fired...


I'm too lazy to go into it so here you go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlnMwuCZso

(Note: the actual video is kinda old, the rate of fire can be sustained now (which result in one moving part so I am wrong there) and I believe India(?) has purchased several Metal Storms for their own use... said for anti terrorism purposes)

This video proves this thing even more useless, it will fire all it's ammo in a sort time. and after that it would need to be recharge.
Good maybe against Human targets. But everything else....

Ai...but it would be very useful for the arbites, wouldn't you say?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ai...but it would be very useful for the arbites, wouldn't you say?

It fire a million bullets per minute and there is a great chance that many bullets will hit that target again until it drops to the ground.
Let us say that those 1.000.000 bullets kill 100.000 Tyranids. What will stop those who come after them?

Brother Coa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ai...but it would be very useful for the arbites, wouldn't you say?

It fire a million bullets per minute and there is a great chance that many bullets will hit that target again until it drops to the ground.
Let us say that those 1.000.000 bullets kill 100.000 Tyranids. What will stop those who come after them?

The other 500 weapon systems...
Like you said 'When was the last time you saw single Guardsman?' the Imperium dances big or it doesn't dance at all.

Brother Coa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ai...but it would be very useful for the arbites, wouldn't you say?

It fire a million bullets per minute and there is a great chance that many bullets will hit that target again until it drops to the ground.
Let us say that those 1.000.000 bullets kill 100.000 Tyranids. What will stop those who come after them?

Even more Metal Storms, as well as conventional IoM weapons?


I hate getting ninja'd

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Even more Metal Storms, as well as conventional IoM weapons?

What would they do when the big ones come?
Nobz? Warriors? Carnifexes? Space Marines?

Those weapons pack small caliber bullets, .45 .22 and .17 ( it says so on the site ), they can't do squat to stronger enemies while Lasweapons can.

Brother Coa wrote:
-When was the last time you saw single Guardsman? Guardsman also goes in sniper teams.
-Long Las is perfectly fine, and having a long range and 100% accuracy ( you can piratically stand and still have 100% accuracy ).
-Million very weak rounds per minute, completely useless in the battlefields of 41'st millennium where basic enemy is strong as an Elephant. If you want to debate that this peace of gun turret is better then Heavy Bolter turret you can.

NTW-20 and XM-109 may be powerful, but they require ammo and Long Las is recharging on the Sunlight and pack more punch since it is creating mini plasma explosion on impact ( every las weapons does ).

I'm amused that you say that it's a million weak rounds per minute, if you thought the gun in the video is what is being made right now you are terribly wrong. That was a demonstration, a toy compared to the real thing. Today's version is more like see that herd of elephants over there? BRRRRRRRRRRRRR (or half a second later)!!!! What elephants? This is designed to disintegrate incoming missiles, shells, etc. no "weak" gun is going to be able to do that.

Fine, with the NTW-20, but who doesn't want a sniper grenade launcher (the XM-109) or a team of them? And besides, what is the range of the long las? If I recall correctly (anyone feel free to correct me) but the NTW 20 has a range of roughly 1.5 miles and as I already said the XM-109 has a range of around 2.3 miles (I know it's above 2 miles and less than 2.5 so I'm going to say 2.3). If you can post the ranges of the Long Las then I'll submit if they happen to be greater than both.

Brother Coa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Even more Metal Storms, as well as conventional IoM weapons?

What would they do when the big ones come?
Nobz? Warriors? Carnifexes? Space Marines?

Those weapons pack small caliber bullets, .45 .22 and .17 ( it says so on the site ), they can't do squat to stronger enemies while Lasweapons can.

I think the idea is to modify them to fire bigger and better bullets/projectiles.
That said a million rounds will probably give most things a moment of concern.

Apparently you missed the note that this video is OLD and the the rate of fire can be SUSTAINED now. You gotta remember that there is a 12 years difference between what the military has and what the public knows it has. I'm sure that in a decade you'll be hearing about a lovely weapon we use quite often called metal storm. sorta like the Blackbird, but that was like a 30 year gap there.

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Even more Metal Storms, as well as conventional IoM weapons?

What would they do when the big ones come?
Nobz? Warriors? Carnifexes? Space Marines?

Those weapons pack small caliber bullets, .45 .22 and .17 ( it says so on the site ), they can't do squat to stronger enemies while Lasweapons can.

I think the idea is to modify them to fire bigger and better bullets/projectiles.
That said a million rounds will probably give most things a moment of concern.

That, and who in their right mind would bring an only an anti-light infantry weapon (that is how Coa is seeing it) to a large scale engagement?

The Metal Storms would clean up the little bastards, leaving the big guns to take care of the big bastards.

.45 caliber is a big gakking round

King Pariah wrote:.45 caliber is a big gakking round

Ai, great stopping power.
Still a pistol round though...now .50 on the other hand, THAT would be scary.

ad besides, who said that they would use metal storm as is? I never did. CthuluIsSpy never did. We both said it'd be reversed engineered and then scifi teched out to release waves of bolter rounds, plasma shells, etc.


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There are .45 caliber rifle rounds.

@Brother coa

What about rendering(ex.assult cannon) one or more of the MILLION bullets is going to hit a weak point sooner or later and who would fire an anti-light infantry weapon at carnifexes.

King Pariah wrote:

Fine, with the NTW-20, but who doesn't want a sniper grenade launcher (the XM-109) or a team of them? And besides, what is the range of the long las? If I recall correctly (anyone feel free to correct me) but the NTW 20 has a range of roughly 1.5 miles and as I already said the XM-109 has a range of around 2.3 miles (I know it's above 2 miles and less than 2.5 so I'm going to say 2.3). If you can post the ranges of the Long Las then I'll submit if they happen to be greater than both.

Is a directed energy weapon; theoretically, there IS no maximum range. Atmospheric diffusion would degrade the power of the bolt eventually, but in a future where you can power a man-killing laser from something the size of your hand, there's no possible way to tell how far the shot would travel before it was no longer effective.

So; somewhere between a few hundred yards and forever. Myself, I'm inclined to put it closer to the 'forever' end of that spectrum; if you can see it, you can shoot it. But I have no evidence for that. Black Library typically does not go into detail about the ranges at which engagements take place, and they want closer-ranged fights anyway because they're more dramatic.

BeRzErKeR wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Fine, with the NTW-20, but who doesn't want a sniper grenade launcher (the XM-109) or a team of them? And besides, what is the range of the long las? If I recall correctly (anyone feel free to correct me) but the NTW 20 has a range of roughly 1.5 miles and as I already said the XM-109 has a range of around 2.3 miles (I know it's above 2 miles and less than 2.5 so I'm going to say 2.3). If you can post the ranges of the Long Las then I'll submit if they happen to be greater than both.

Is a directed energy weapon; theoretically, there IS no maximum range. Atmospheric diffusion would degrade the power of the bolt eventually, but in a future where you can power a man-killing laser from something the size of your hand, there's no possible way to tell how far the shot would travel before it was no longer effective.

So; somewhere between a few hundred yards and forever. Myself, I'm inclined to put it closer to the 'forever' end of that spectrum; if you can see it, you can shoot it. But I have no evidence for that. Black Library typically does not go into detail about the ranges at which engagements take place, and they want closer-ranged fights anyway because they're more dramatic.

So...does that mean that if you miss, you could theoretically hit yourself from behind? It'll take a while, but it'll get there. Unless it travels only in straight lines. In that case, it'll cause a dent on some ship's windshield.

BeRzErKeR wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Fine, with the NTW-20, but who doesn't want a sniper grenade launcher (the XM-109) or a team of them? And besides, what is the range of the long las? If I recall correctly (anyone feel free to correct me) but the NTW 20 has a range of roughly 1.5 miles and as I already said the XM-109 has a range of around 2.3 miles (I know it's above 2 miles and less than 2.5 so I'm going to say 2.3). If you can post the ranges of the Long Las then I'll submit if they happen to be greater than both.

Is a directed energy weapon; theoretically, there IS no maximum range. Atmospheric diffusion would degrade the power of the bolt eventually, but in a future where you can power a man-killing laser from something the size of your hand, there's no possible way to tell how far the shot would travel before it was no longer effective.

So; somewhere between a few hundred yards and forever. Myself, I'm inclined to put it closer to the 'forever' end of that spectrum; if you can see it, you can shoot it. But I have no evidence for that. Black Library typically does not go into detail about the ranges at which engagements take place, and they want closer-ranged fights anyway because they're more dramatic.

more like between 100 meters and theoretically forever, after 100 meters a gamma ray has an exponential loss of energy. question is where does it go from beam of destructive energy to laser pointer