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2012/01/08 08:58:58
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Okay. Lets discuss what if with death stars. And sun crushers.
Frankly I think even the Sith wouldnt use them freely. Sort of how we have nukes, and dont use them at the drop of a hat.
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2012/01/08 09:08:09
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Unfortunatly ole Star Trek has the nastiest potential weapon and the most useful, if they fix that proto-matter thingie
The Genesis device
kill a planet , then make a planet
Green warfare , and I dont mean orky 
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2012/01/08 12:07:47
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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From watching the movies and playing X-Wing vs Tie Fighter a lot when I was a kid, and also spending a lot of time playing BFG, the Imperium of Man would annihilate the Empire in any space engagement, Death Star or no.
The most telling factor is the range and speed of the craft involved. IoM ships would blast Star Destroyers and Death Stars out of space well before the Imperial ships were in range, and have the speed to outpace them with ease. 100mglt, the speed of an x-wing, is around 360kph. Cruising speed for an IoM cruiser is around 10,000 kph, with weapon ranges effective up to 75,000 kilometers.
Assumptions I'm making here are: The 'earth' planet template from BFG is 20cm across. The diameter of the earth is ~12,000 kilometers. A single turn of BFG is one hour.
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/01/08 12:31:49
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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chaplaincliff wrote:
whatever other sci-fi universe you have....looses
The Culture would like a word with you. For that matter, so would the Xeelee. 
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Necrons (W/D/L): 4/1/0
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2012/01/08 12:59:55
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Unfortunatly ole Star Trek has the nastiest potential weapon and the most useful, if they fix that proto-matter thingie The Genesis device kill a planet , then make a planet Green warfare , and I dont mean orky
The novel Grey Knights: Dark Adeptus mentioned something similar existed during the Dark Age of Technology "...machines that wove whole worlds around them...". The Mechanicus probably has the data locked up in a logic engine on Mars.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/08 13:06:31
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Dytalus wrote:chaplaincliff wrote:
whatever other sci-fi universe you have....looses
The Culture would like a word with you. For that matter, so would the Xeelee.
As would the guys in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. And, to be fair, while the Galactic Federation from Star Trek might have problems, the Borg or, God forbid, Q wouldn't have nearly as big problems fighting against the IoM.
Then again, the IoM can always do what they did to Hive Fleet Behemoth.
Step 1: Fly flagship into enemy fleet.
Step 2: Detonate Warp Drives.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: PROFIT!
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2012/01/08 13:11:17
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Q, meet the Emperor, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, the Hive Mind, Isha, Cegorach, Gork, Mork.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/08 13:41:44
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Tadashi wrote:Q, meet the Emperor, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, the Hive Mind, Isha, Cegorach, Gork, Mork.
And all of the little C'tan shards.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2012/01/08 13:48:34
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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The Imperium only ever wages brutal war against the greatest horrors in the galaxy and nothing else. Oh yeah, an they also have uncountable billions of people. They have the Space Marines whose discipline and teamwork is nigh impossible to overcome, and the Imperial Guard will just throw themselves at you until you die.
How can any other sci-fi universe stand up to that? They lose in simple numbers alone.
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2012/01/08 13:55:58
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Tadashi wrote:Q, meet the Emperor, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, the Hive Mind, Isha, Cegorach, Gork, Mork.
Did you miss the part where the Q are omnipotent except they can't kill one another off?
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2012/01/08 13:59:10
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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40k has superior military capability, not just in numbers and historically, but also since reality and non-reality can and does overlap. Gods and daemons traverse reality with ease...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/08 14:39:19
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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The 2 Emperor's alone are enough to handle this argument.
Step 1: 40k Emperor shows up
Step 2: SW Emperor gaks his pants
Step 3: ???????
Step 4: 40k profits
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 angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2012/01/08 14:47:52
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Executing Exarch
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Wheres that handy comparison of a 40k navy ship and an Imperial Ship?
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2012/01/08 15:32:39
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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In many ways the Empire would look upon the Imperium as soul-mates and probably join it.
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Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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2012/01/08 15:40:55
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Castiel wrote:Wheres that handy comparison of a 40k navy ship and an Imperial Ship?
Right here.
So yes. The imperium would wipe the floor with any Star Wars faction.
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2012/01/08 15:46:36
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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I think the one's he's refering to is the one where there's a Star Destroyer on screen and an Emperor Battleship slowly appears from the bottom of the image. My Google-fu seems to have failed me ATM though...
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2012/01/08 15:51:37
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Eh. It's still a very good size chart, seeing as how that's a standard ship, compared to some of the others, like Vader's Cruiser.
Also, if you look to the bottom of the second row of ships, you can see Star Killer!
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Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats. |
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2012/01/08 16:00:44
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Freaky Flayed One
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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:The Imperium only ever wages brutal war against the greatest horrors in the galaxy and nothing else. Oh yeah, an they also have uncountable billions of people. They have the Space Marines whose discipline and teamwork is nigh impossible to overcome, and the Imperial Guard will just throw themselves at you until you die.
How can any other sci-fi universe stand up to that? They lose in simple numbers alone.
A single Culture ship, which had its primary purpose as a museum, built a fleet of over 100,000 ships, in 40 years, in it's spare time, before anyone noticed. The smallest Culture warship can slag a world into molten rock while travelling faster than light at a range of more than a light year. There is no way the Imperium can win a war against the whole Culture civilisation. Or anyone in 40k for that matter. God forbid they went up against the Xeelee.
Star Wars or the Federation however....there should be no contest. Imperium wins because one of their ships could probably eat a federation ship and burp out its crew given how huge they are.
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Necrons (W/D/L): 4/1/0
Reset with the new Codex. |
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2012/01/08 16:15:13
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Tadashi wrote:Until I fire a cyclonic torpedo down it's exhaust shaft...
Not without the help of the force you cant. General D: The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port.. Wedge: That's impossible! Even for a computer. Luke proved this by using the force, and not the targeting computer.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/01/08 16:16:50
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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DeathReaper wrote:Tadashi wrote:Until I fire a cyclonic torpedo down it's exhaust shaft...
Not without the help of the force you cant.
General D: The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port..
Wedge: That's impossible! Even for a computer.
Luke proved this by using the force, and not the targeting computer.
Boom! Psyker!
Problem? 
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Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats. |
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2012/01/08 16:16:52
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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DeathReaper wrote:Tadashi wrote:Until I fire a cyclonic torpedo down it's exhaust shaft...
Not without the help of the force you cant.
General D: The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port..
Wedge: That's impossible! Even for a computer.
Luke proved this by using the force, and not the targeting computer.
Or you just fire the Cyclonic Torpedo straight through the hull? That thing is designed to blow up planets, after all.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2012/01/08 16:17:42
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Executing Exarch
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:I think the one's he's refering to is the one where there's a Star Destroyer on screen and an Emperor Battleship slowly appears from the bottom of the image. My Google-fu seems to have failed me ATM though...
I was indeed, my google-fu also failed. However, that one works just as well!
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2012/01/08 18:53:21
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Wing Commander
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Yes this about the Clones Wars era, since I have seen the Galactic Empire VS the Imperium of Man done to death.
The problem arises because the Galactic Empire has far far to many little tiny "Single use Superweapons", IE: A super weapon is used eluded to in one Expanded Universe book then people assume that the Empire has these weapons coming out the wazzo.
Not to mention the Death Star is a pretty dumb concept and weapon against the Imperium, considering they have weaponry to blow up planet sized objects. You don't need to shoot it down the exhaust pipe, just hit it right on with a Torpedo.
Also bringing into the matter that the Imperium fights fleet battles at absurdly large distances, and that they would be able to just sit at any point within a system and blow the Republics fleets into pulp.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?""  |
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2012/01/08 23:34:00
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Blood Claw
Kailua, HI
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Umm that thing about the culture civilisation. Necrons could blow up the entire system the culture civilisations in.
"oh look a culture ship"
BOOOM!
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2012/01/08 23:53:46
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Sierk wrote:Umm that thing about the culture civilisation. Necrons could blow up the entire system the culture civilisations in.
"oh look a culture ship"
BOOOM!
Erm... It is pretty well established that Culture is pervasive throughout the Milky Way and also has at least a presence in the Magellanic cloud galaxies.
So far in 40K only the Tyranids (and possibly Orks) have expanded from a single galaxy.
As for Tech level, don't know enough of the Necron fluff, but a Culture civilian vessel escapes destruction by hiding in the upper layers of a star. Doesn't sound like an easy kill for anyone.
As for weight of numbers, Culture population is given at approx. 30 trillion sentient beings (including AI).
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2012/01/08 23:56:25
Subject: Re:A matter of Sanity.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Let's stick to Star Wars/Star Trek vs. 40k.
I don't want to compare 40k to Star Wars since the Tau are the only ones Star Trek is capable of handling.
Q, meet this guy:
We're all in power armor and it is beautiful.
No, Mr. Borg and friends, We expect you to die.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/09 00:36:49
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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I think star trek has an advantage since they have so many main characters with actual names while theyll be fighting mostly no named worthless idiots.
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2012/01/09 00:41:16
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Too many assumptions made in comparison to posit anything worthwhile in the debate. Separate universes, different fiction, and things don't overlap nicely.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2012/01/09 01:20:52
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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Sierk wrote:Oh and that death star thing... land dreadnoughts on it blow up defences. blow a hole in the side. send in boarding partys(which spacemarines excel at) kill everyone inside.
Or you could just land drop pods specialy fitted with a drill of somesort to dig a hole into the side useing homing beacons teleport termies inside while the termies that came in with the drop pods to kill everyone inside.
Or use the dreadnaughts to blow up defences than use drop pods. Kill everyone inside.
3 ways to deal with a death star
The death star Heavy Turbolaser batteries would make quick work of Drop pods. As for the other ships, the Ion cannons would neutralize their systems and leave them dead in space, with no hope. Not to mention the 768 tractor beam emplacements
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2012/01/09 01:25:44
Subject: A matter of Sanity.
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DeathReaper wrote:The Death Star would make quick work of any IoM ship.
Check that The Death Star would make quick work of ALL IoM ships.
Nope, first of all the death star got kiled by 1 small ship, second the IoM have some HUGE ships.
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