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I always shoot, because you never know.

I do, however, concede sometimes. I see no shame in this. However, when I concede, it's because the game is so clearly lost that it's become a waste of time for all involved, and I concede expressly for the purpose of starting a new game (not ragequitting).

I know that I played with my friend's Daemons this one time, and he got incredibly unlucky on rolls and lost like 800 out of 1500 points on mishap\destroyed when deep striking them onto the board. Why spend 3 or 4 turns on that? Lets call it and start over again, I say.

Johnny-Crass wrote:It is worse when folks call the game on turn 2.... or end of 1

Seize the iniative is a stupid rule

I will ALWAYS take the shot. in warhammer there is no REAL penalty to firing a weapon. (unlike battletech where it generates heat and can effect everything down stream)

if I get something good, if I don't no harm done right?

by contrast, I NEVER concede a game. unless I have to. the game is 4 turns long. if I have nothing on the field, then my turn is going to be very short.

I have had my opponent (usually a good friend) request we end it based on the obvious and usually because they have somewhere to be or have to get home to the kids. I will almost always agree because I have a family too.

in a pick up game or a tournament, we play until I am wiped out, or we hit the limit. reasons being, its VERY possible I can still cause major damage. I have actually caused draw's with only 1 squad left on the board.

besides, its a game. play it through! I actually ENJOY getting my butt handed to me in a good fight. who cares if you win or lose, you got to play, you learned something, it was fun! (or it should be)

In a game firmly rooted in luck you are best off throwing as many dice as possible. It's just common sense.

to prove this point when i run my Land Raider Crusaders their most effectrive guns are the hurricane bolters which have claim 3 grey knight terminators (in one game) 2 Tau battlesuits and assorted other weak models always believe that you guns can do damage and one will.

i played deamons last weekend the tzeentch horrors used their s4 ap4 shot and actually killed 2 FNP termies (FML)

Rimmy wrote:I will ALWAYS take the shot. in warhammer there is no REAL penalty to firing a weapon. (unlike battletech where it generates heat and can effect everything down stream)

Actually, to be picky turre can be disadvantages to firing all weapons when it comes to wound allocation.

jgehunter wrote:

Rimmy wrote:I will ALWAYS take the shot. in warhammer there is no REAL penalty to firing a weapon. (unlike battletech where it generates heat and can effect everything down stream)

Actually, to be picky turre can be disadvantages to firing all weapons when it comes to wound allocation.

i'll take my chances with the dice.

I don't think I've ever conceded a game. It's just not in me. If it looks like I'm going to lose, I at least try to make it entertaining for my opponent.

I have, however, removed models without even rolling saves. Like, my opponent gets something like 15 wounds on a lone scout. I'm not going to roll those saves.

It drives me crazy when people quit before turn 5. Just because someone thinks they are unable to win anymore does not mean they should call the game.

Opting not to take individual dice rolls I don't care about, but people shouldn't sulk during the game about their inability to accomplish something.

From now on, I promise to always shoot my Bolters at Wraithlords when I have no other targets even though I'm fairly certain it won't do squat.

-Loki- wrote:I don't think I've ever conceded a game. It's just not in me. If it looks like I'm going to lose, I at least try to make it entertaining for my opponent.

I have, however, removed models without even rolling saves. Like, my opponent gets something like 15 wounds on a lone scout. I'm not going to roll those saves.

I've had a blob of 50 lasguns FRSR on my lone assault marine sergeant. He failed 90 of his shots, failed to wound all but ten times and then I made all the saves.

In the same game, I had shot at that same squad the following turn with two vindicators. both hit on target and knocked out about 20 odd guys. The unit summary executioned but stayed in the fight. The following assault I assaulted with my assault squad sergeant into a small group of these guard (about four) killed three and didn't take a wound, then had the squad route off the objective thye were holding.

Always take your saves.

Sometimes it's better NOT to shoot (especially with lasguns), so that you can make the close combat go on that little bit longer and finish it in HIS turn. While yes, statistically, they have some small chance of doing more than smoke the paint, real life has a tendency to take statistical results and go "Pfffffft!" with them.
(Probability is a way of working out what could happen. It won't guarantee it, and in reality, it probably won't.)

Better that than to shoot his unit, kill half, charge in and kill the rest, and be in the open for his retaliatory fire in his turn.

-Loki- wrote:
I have, however, removed models without even rolling saves. Like, my opponent gets something like 15 wounds on a lone scout. I'm not going to roll those saves.

Every time I do that, my opponent asks me to make my save as I'm pulling the model. Y'know, to humor them.

And every single time, that model is put back on.






My dice LOVE to prove me wrong.

Scipio Africanus wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I don't think I've ever conceded a game. It's just not in me. If it looks like I'm going to lose, I at least try to make it entertaining for my opponent.

I have, however, removed models without even rolling saves. Like, my opponent gets something like 15 wounds on a lone scout. I'm not going to roll those saves.

I've had a blob of 50 lasguns FRSR on my lone assault marine sergeant. He failed 90 of his shots, failed to wound all but ten times and then I made all the saves.

In the same game, I had shot at that same squad the following turn with two vindicators. both hit on target and knocked out about 20 odd guys. The unit summary executioned but stayed in the fight. The following assault I assaulted with my assault squad sergeant into a small group of these guard (about four) killed three and didn't take a wound, then had the squad route off the objective thye were holding.

Always take your saves.

I'm comfortable not making the saves.

I know how much a lone model can influence a game. I've had a lone assault Marine win assault against a full unit of Kroot with hounds, and run them down. Collapsed my friends whole flank.

I'm still not going to try to pass 15 4+ saves on a single wound model.

chromedog wrote:Sometimes it's better NOT to shoot (especially with lasguns), so that you can make the close combat go on that little bit longer and finish it in HIS turn. While yes, statistically, they have some small chance of doing more than smoke the paint, real life has a tendency to take statistical results and go "Pfffffft!" with them.
(Probability is a way of working out what could happen. It won't guarantee it, and in reality, it probably won't.)

Better that than to shoot his unit, kill half, charge in and kill the rest, and be in the open for his retaliatory fire in his turn.

That isn't what I'm talking about. This is about where the shooting is only complimentary. Like against devastated.

I played a Chaos player with a Daemon Prince on one wound a few weeks ago, killed it with 10 grotz with pea shooters. Good rolls can always compensate for poor stats, take every chance.

A game of BFG I had years ago. My unshielded Murder Cruiser survives a hail of bording torpedoes from 3 Space Marine Hunter Frigates. Frustrated, he shoots what he calls their pop-guns. Firepower 3 at an abeam capital ship behind blast markers with five damage points left. 1 dice, fives to hit. He rolls a five. Ok roll for critical hit. He rolls a six. Ah. Roll for critical damage. Double Six - hull breach which means I take D6 extra damage. He rolls a five, taking it out completely. I got my own back though. While rolling for catastrophic damage, I get plasma drive explosion and managed to take two of them with me!

So, yes its always worth firing everything, even down to that last dice. It can make a difference.

You may wish to *not* shoot with Orks for fear of being *too* successful - simplest case shooting yourself out of assault range, or worse, giving Marines an opportunity to fall back out of assault range and then regroup...

That's true but I don't believe that is what the OP is getting at.


If they don't wanna shoot, it's their loss, no biggie, some people are bad sports.

I hate it too.

For example, a normal Sternguard came up to assault some Deathwing Terminators. The player said "Why bother? My 2+ is almost impossible to fail! There's no point!" The Sternguard then proceeded to punch a Terminator in the face, killing him outright. He had Red Thirst, OK, but he would have wounded anyway. My Sanguinary Guard cut down the rest

It also irks me when someone says that he'd rather shoot the Scouts behind the Furioso Dreadnought than the Furioso's side armour, because "He could only harm it with his Plasma Gun" I then proceeded to tear them apart with Blood Talons, and he complains about how that was really one-sided.

I have played players who quite too easily if they are not winning, which isn't really fair on the other guy as it takes away from their victory IMHO.

Personally I like to play to the last man. If victory looks slim I will give myself another goal, "okay, I'm going down fighting and I'm taking Unit XXXX with me."

Heck, sometimes I go into games with my own objectives ignoring the rolled for mission, such as wanting Old Zogswort to turn an ememy into a Squig. I did that the other week in a Cities of Death game, Zogswort failed but the game was a draw. But then again the objective of Orks is to fight, even if they get wiped out it's mission accomplished

I had just such a game tonight. WFB, 2500 DE vs. WOC. I mangled one Nurgle CW block with magic, and my corsairs broke his big marauder block. His hellcannon exploded, taking his solo sorcerer with it and causing his second Nurgle CW block to panic. He still had a unit of Chaos Knights with Juggie Lord and 4 Dragon Ogres (plus possible rallies) to mangle my delicate DE... but he conceeded at top of 4 (his turn). As far as I saw it, I'd dealt with the EASY part of his army, and now I had to figure out how to deal with those combat monsters on each flank with what I had left!

Arakasi wrote:You may wish to *not* shoot with Orks for fear of being *too* successful - simplest case shooting yourself out of assault range, or worse, giving Marines an opportunity to fall back out of assault range and then regroup...

if its in your best interest tactically to NOT shoot, then that's all it was, a tactical move.

but if you HAVE a shot and you don't take it because your odds are low, thats just silly to me. take the shot!

Always shoot the impossible odds. The die gods will favor you for it. Had a mob of 10 Gretchin fire at a 5 man bike squad and one attack bike. When the smoke cleared every bike was dead. Luck happens.

Just be sure to say 'pew! Pew!' when that happens. Just for funnies.

I know someone who concedes before the game starts. but only against DE.

Nom

Johnny-Crass wrote:It is worse when folks call the game on turn 2.... or end of 1

sometimes you just know its not gonna be fun or you are gonna get your ass handed to you, so its better to walk away
I have better things to do then spend 45 or so minutes getting my ass handed to me when I could be doing something entertaining, like painting or something

1/2 of the fame is shooting, you have 5 tries to shoot, so 1 shot per ork x5 then at least you get one hit. Usually when units shoot bad the make up in quantity. SHOOT

Scipio Africanus wrote:Okay, this is something I absolutely hate.

Many times I'll play an army where the opponent is so negative about his army's abilities that he actually begins to forget that the game is about chances. (40k, of course.)

Now, I can't force a stupid to make a roll on 6 lasguns (in google chrome, lasguns can autocorrect to Flashguns, for the record.) if he chooses not to of course, but it irritates me when people forget that six lasguns shots is still potentially 6 dead terminators. and of course this isn't because they're gonna charge into combat next turn.

What irritates me more is when someone says "why are you bothering to shoot that? It's so unlikely that you'll do anything." But they always forget that Its not impossible. It's still a possibility.

Does anyone else feel this way, that they get irritated when people don't take any chance they can get to do some shooting? They don't use everything in their arsenal to bring you down, like a good gamer?

This is the horrid byproduct and bastard child of mathhammer and power gaming and these types should be purges from the hobby with fire...

I get pissed off to no end when people start whining about dice turn 1. Not if they have had bad rolls for 2-3 turns straight, but that first krak missile shot misses, and its 'oh, great, bad dice, baaaaaaaw'.

Or that jerk who has lost to you 3-4 times in a row, and blames his statistically awful dice every single game for it.