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I'll play anything, primed, painted, unpainted... hell i'll play printed out picturedsof models taped to pennies as bases.

heck when i first started I was using battlewagons made out of k'nex people actually thought they looked quite orky and a few people say they miss the k'nex wagons now that i have the real things

I don't mind playing against armies that aren't painted, I have come to expect it ... but I refuse to field with an army that isn't painted.

I buy to paint rather than play as I haven't played yet. I don't see myself having a problem with playing against models that haven't been painted as long as I could tell what the models were.

Like someone said earlier. I have very VERY little free time. So it's either playing or painting. And playing wins every time. That said. I have been able to fully paint(3 shades per color, 3+ colors per model). About 55% of my army. I would never not play someone because of no paint. Especially not because of only priming/base coating. I'm open to whatever including proxies. Unless your proxying a spam list then that's just lame haha.

And I'm surprised there aren more of the douches saying "meh I take hours and hours to paint wahhhh, I would never play someone who didn't paint because they're disrespecting me wahhh"

I enjoy painting some people don't. I dont feel their should be a restriction to play on those who do not enjoy the painting side.

I still have that multi-primed idea in mind for the Necrons. It would use different Army Painter primer cans for various parts of all Necrons.

Part of this depends on the models themselves, and if certain parts can be assembled separately. Take Flayed Ones for example. They would be part Platemail and part Pure Red, and possibly part Barbarian Flesh too, if their skin bits are glued onto the model separately.

Others are straight forward. Necron vehicles would be a combo of Platemail, Angel Green, and Matte Black. Warriors would just be Platemail. Deathmarks would be a combo of Platemail and Matte Black.

Army Painter has no gold primer, so for Triarch models and Overlords, maybe I could use Daemonic Yellow instead?

In any case, this is what I am thinking of doing for the Necrons. Multi-priming them different colours so that they still stand out, yet aren't a bother to "paint".

I'd play against pennies.

Dakka says you aren't allowed to play without scenic bases on every model though. That's not hyperbole, this is really the popular opinion on here.

Personally I hate playing with models I have not painted, but I would not mind playing against someone using their unpainted models.

Why do people keep asking these questions. Yes, I would play against these three toned models (only about half my bikers have the quartered green and bone paint job that I'm working on so who am I to criticise?).

I will play against counts-as armies. I will play against cheesy armies. I will play against squats!

Just bring the models and play.

I wouldn't object to playing a basecoated army, as long as its owner was acctualy trying to paint them and just hadn't had time/finished yet.

SilverMK2 wrote:Personally I hate playing with models I have not painted, but I would not mind playing against someone using their unpainted models.

And that is cool...I know plenty of people who refuse to play an army without painting it completely first. I know some people who have zero free time declare a new army just a few days before a new league starts and then they scramble to get it painted instead of sleeping because they can't play with an unpainted force. I don't see what someone who refuses to play against unpainted minis gains from their refusal except for one less opponent at the shop, because I've seen plenty of who will happily play someone with a horribly painted army as if it is some how better than an opponent with no paint on their minis. At that point it *can't* be about because the game looks better with two painted armies.

I have only rarely let my gaming needs get in the way of my painting interests. I get tired painting the same stuff over and over, so my first two fully painted armies were my Daemonhunters force and my Witchhunters force, because they were varied enough across the army to not get too boring painting them all. Also around that point I painted a full 3000 point tyranid horde as well. I don't actually own any of those armies anymore. My Khorne marine army is one of my oldest, but I keep adding to it and tweaking it so I don't ever think I'll be finished painting it completely. Generally, though, my 3 chaos marine armies are washed and dry brushed if not yet detailed, so are most of the way there. I paint a unit from one army and then the next and the next to keep from getting tired of painting the same colors. Right now trying to decide on a paint scheme for my chaos renegades and for my dark eldar...

My 40k painting hasn't been helped by the fact I've been playing in more flames of war leagues and events of late and spending my limited painting time painting FoW brits instead of any of my 40k stuff.

Skriker


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RaptorsTallon wrote:I wouldn't object to playing a basecoated army, as long as its owner was acctualy trying to paint them and just hadn't had time/finished yet.

Why does that matter to you and how does such an esoteric requirement impact the game you are about to play with them today?

Skriker

No.

I only play against models that have won at lest Bronze in the golden daemon.

The HQ must have won gold.

I'd have no problems playing against grey plastic, as long as different models/units are easily recognised. I'd play Paperhammer if I didn't enjoy painting.

Ailaros wrote:Most of the armies I play against are grey plastic. It would be a relief to me to see more that were even just primed, much less painted with more than one color.

God yes. I come across some god awful painted armies. Painted worse than 7 year olds did back in 3rd edition but I never complain. I cant decide if black primer or grey plastic is worse.

I think that the hobby as a whole, boils down to two different types of gamer. the first type is a player at heart and doesn't really feel the need to paint the minis to a golden demon standard in order to play some games, but still appreciates a good paint job when they see one. The other type is a modeler at heart and would rather stay home and finish that squad that he/she has been detailing for the last 2 weeks. This is not to say that one group is better than the other or right, It just depends on what your passionate about. I myself am part of the second group, my bases alone have 10-12 different colors and or shades on them. LOL But at the same time I don't actually play the game much at all, I'm trying to learn it but....The brushes keep calling me. If I ever met the OP in a FLGS I wouldn't mind playing his "grey" army in the slightest, however, I would politely ask that you let me move my own models in the movement phase.

I can't even imagine refusing to play someone based on how their army is painted. Granted that's likely largely due to me being more of a gamer than a painter. My army is rarely fully painted, but they're all at least primed and built, so I guess that's something. I'd rather have a mostly black army with the models that are painted looking good than a whole army painted poorly.

I don't understand the argument that people who want to play against painted armies somehow want everyone to paint all their models to a master level and spend 8 years on each of their models, etc... The advent of washes moving into the mainstream means that it dramatically reduces the time it takes to paint something that looks good. You can knock out a unit painting a little each evening in a week. So even if you are a compulsive buyer/power gamer constantly playing/buying new lists, you should be able to get a pretty good unit paint job done over a couple of weeks, even if you don't spend a lot of time doing it over that period.

I guess what I am tring to say is, the unpainted 'I want to play' crowd are just as snobbish and judgemental as they perceive the 'I want to play with painted armies' guys.

I mean seriously - if you have had an army for over 6 months and have not done anything other than spray them black (which by the way makes it much harder for people to tell what your units are), are you seriously telling me that you have not had time to at least put a few colours on a couple of units?

The last tournament I went to, I spent a week or so before hand painting up a couple of extra units I had and wanted to take, just so my army would be fully painted. Didnkt take that much effort even for an average joe painter like myself (who by the way hates painting).

SilverMK2 wrote:I don't understand the argument that people who want to play against painted armies somehow want everyone to paint all their models to a master level and spend 8 years on each of their models, etc... The advent of washes moving into the mainstream means that it dramatically reduces the time it takes to paint something that looks good. You can knock out a unit painting a little each evening in a week. So even if you are a compulsive buyer/power gamer constantly playing/buying new lists, you should be able to get a pretty good unit paint job done over a couple of weeks, even if you don't spend a lot of time doing it over that period.

I guess what I am tring to say is, the unpainted 'I want to play' crowd are just as snobbish and judgemental as they perceive the 'I want to play with painted armies' guys.

I mean seriously - if you have had an army for over 6 months and have not done anything other than spray them black (which by the way makes it much harder for people to tell what your units are), are you seriously telling me that you have not had time to at least put a few colours on a couple of units?

The last tournament I went to, I spent a week or so before hand painting up a couple of extra units I had and wanted to take, just so my army would be fully painted. Didnkt take that much effort even for an average joe painter like myself (who by the way hates painting).

While I agree that it can take a relatively small amount of effort to get a table-ready level paint job on your army if you use the proper techniques, the point that I think many of us are trying to make is that refusing a game with someone with an unpainted army solely on that principle borders on the ridiculous. Sure it's nice to see two fully painted armies facing off in a big battle, but I'm not going to refuse a game with someone because they don't have enough time or enough motivation to paint an army, especially if they're like me and really find painting more a a chore than a hobby.

I'm not commenting on that particular aspect - but on the comments that have been directed by people who by their own admission have largely unpainted armies towards people who prefer to play against people with painted armies. 'Reverse snobbery' is, as far as I am concerned, worse than being picky over only playing painted armies. It is, I believe in many cases, over compensation on having an unpained army and 'being looked down on' by someone who has a fully painted army and only wants to really play with people who have a similar level of commitment (ie they can be bothered to actually put some paint on their models) to the game.

meh. as long as the models are all equipped with what they should be and arent proxys or all broken and just a mess, then whatever. not everyone paints, and not everyone paints at the same level.

so once again..... "meh"

Again, you are missing the point. It is not the physical act of painting or not painting, it is the attitudes of those who are on each side that are the problem. Personally I side with those who only want to play against painted armies than those who wail and gnash their teeth at the thought of someone who will not play their grey/primed army of doom.

For my armies,i paint them all before playing them.For my friends,i do not mind if they are just primed or just assembled.I have played games where empty bases represented units / MC's and just a pair of legs were glued to a base.An enjoyable game is all that matters to me.

Xenith wrote:No.

I only play against models that have won at lest Bronze in the golden daemon.

The HQ must have won gold.

Hahahahahahahah! Awesome! One has to have their standards, right?

Skriker


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SilverMK2 wrote:I mean seriously - if you have had an army for over 6 months and have not done anything other than spray them black (which by the way makes it much harder for people to tell what your units are), are you seriously telling me that you have not had time to at least put a few colours on a couple of units?

Let's see, full time employment with some travel involved, volunteer fire fighter where calls can come pretty much any time, Feral cat rescue work, being a member of a band and being a 501st legion member and spending many weekends at charity events across multiple states I can seriously tell you that in 6 months I may not have had time to put at least a few colors on a couple of units. When I do get some downtime house maintenance and pet care fill in a lot of the time leaving little time for painting AND gaming, and since I have bought all these minis to play with them I want to actually play with them when I can.

Skriker

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. If you sprayed them and slapped a Devlan Mud wash on them (or whatever the F the new wash is called), it would look reasonable for little effort, I'd think.

I have used two of the Army Painter spray primers (red and blue) and really enjoyed them. I'm thinking of getting the silver primer for an Astral Claws Razorback/Rhino I'm doing.


Edit: Just want to point out that a friend tried the Army Painter yellow primer and had horrible results.

I would have no issue with planing with someone in plan grey unpainted or "stand in"(with in reason) forces. Also those pics in the OP's post are painted, not primed.

SilverMK2 wrote:Again, you are missing the point. It is not the physical act of painting or not painting, it is the attitudes of those who are on each side that are the problem. Personally I side with those who only want to play against painted armies than those who wail and gnash their teeth at the thought of someone who will not play their grey/primed army of doom.

I don't really gnash my teeth, but just don't understand the point of requiring opponents to have painted armies. It is one thing to refuse to play a game without painting your own minis. After all you only really have control over your own actions anyway and not those of others. I like to play the game and if my opponent has a painted army or not I don't care as long as I can identify their units and the game is good. I've not found any correlation between fully painted armies and good game play or good sportsmanship which are the things that matter to me in a game more than painting.

Skriker

Hunterindarkness wrote:I would have no issue with planing with someone in plan grey unpainted or "stand in"(with in reason) forces. Also those pics in the OP's post are painted, not primed.

He's not talking about the completed minis in those links. He's talking about the step 1 pictures, which just have the green or blue spray primer.

Again, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but that + a wash would look 100% better than grey, I think.

kronk wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:I would have no issue with planing with someone in plan grey unpainted or "stand in"(with in reason) forces. Also those pics in the OP's post are painted, not primed.

He's not talking about the completed minis in those links. He's talking about the step 1 pictures, which just have the green or blue spray primer.

Again, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but that + a wash would look 100% better than grey, I think.

And in that first pick the model is three colors. Green, yellow and the iron /silver of the unpainted parts. That is far from a base "prime". I would count it as painted.

For me, I can't really understand the idea of basing. The model comes with a black base that looks fair on any board you'll play on because your mind will sort of ignore the black base and look to the painted mini. Basing just seems like another way to squeeze money out of hobbyists.

The real question for me is, if I just paint my base a color like brown, am I gonna catch flak even if my model is well painted?

gpfunk wrote:For me, I can't really understand the idea of basing. The model comes with a black base that looks fair on any board you'll play on because your mind will sort of ignore the black base and look to the painted mini. Basing just seems like another way to squeeze money out of hobbyists.

The real question for me is, if I just paint my base a color like brown, am I gonna catch flak even if my model is well painted?

The "idea" of basing is to make the model look cool, not to squeeze money out of people. I would never consider one of my models done unless I did a proper base.

Would you catch flak for it? No. Not in my camp.