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Ok Kan, I have been away for a few weeks, thats not an excuse, just me ignorance of recent posts. Apologies.

I accept the context but as to his original 3 pics?

It is the "helmet" thats causing angst right? Open question.

I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.

I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.

The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.

Kanluwen wrote:I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.

I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.

The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.

You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.

Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references. Though there's nothing on the Marine that even remotely seems "out of the ordinary". Yeah the white and gold is more regal, that's it though.

He said he called the chapter Celestial Marines as they are based on princess celestia. The people there 1 already know he likes MLP and 2 have a small understanding of MLP since they recognized his first armies mark. Not that difficult a connection to make.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.

I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.

The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.

You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.

Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references. Though there's nothing on the Marine that even remotely seems "out of the ordinary". Yeah the white and gold is more regal, that's it though.

You make it sound like theres a plethora of MLP themed armies out there.

Now what the OP should do is an Ultramarines army idk when then last time I saw anUltramarines paint scheme, thats like finding a buffalo nickel. /sarcasm

Vladsimpaler wrote:
You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.

Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references.

See, the problem is I don't know the poster well enough to make the decision of whether they're just rabblerousing or genuinely not sure why this happened.

I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.

But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.

I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.

But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.

I'm with Kan on this one, however, OP still to me....seems young and maybe innocent?

Im sure this thread will run legs until Monday and then die off, like most others.

Lets not hang a guy over some dakka post. Unless its Uncle Frazz

Just take a deep breath, love, tolerate, and then report that manager to customer relations or services or whatever you're supposed to report it to. And make enough of a fuss that he's removed. You are totally justified. It's your army, you'll do what you want with it. This seems like a clasic case of "Nerd Hiarchy" to me. These guys are calling your interests "gay" and "girly" and proceed to act Holier-than-thou and bash you for ruining "their" adult game.

Loota Boy was me 5 years ago

Everything in context LB, dont charge in like Leman Russ, pick your targets like Conrad.

Kanluwen wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.

Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references.

See, the problem is I don't know the poster well enough to make the decision of whether they're just rabblerousing or genuinely not sure why this happened.

I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.

But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.

I don't know the dude either but I'm not coming in here accusing him of not telling the full story, know what I'm sayin?
Though from using the new Dakka "stalking" feature, the OP obviously is into a lot of MLP stuff so the marine broke the camel's back apparently haha

Personally I would say that the OP wasn't out of line, but given previous actions the reaction from said GW dude wasn't surprising. It just shouldn't happen in this sort of setting, it's bad business behavior and even you'd agree with that. Most GW shops are full of awkward kids, the staff member should be used to it (or get used to it lol).

:edit: I don't know anything about MLP except from crap I've read about in threads that get spammed by these weirdo brony people, is Celestial some kind of character in the show?

You're seeing accusations.

I'm not trying to "accuse" anyone of anything. I'm simply saying:
We're probably not getting the whole story, whether by design or simple innocently not thinking it relevant to the story.

As it stands:
Yeah. With the information we have, it is a bit silly on the staff's part.

Durza wrote:So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it? Or is it just in this one instance? There's no reason why he should expect people to give him grief over what colour he paints his models. Because they're his. See where I'm going with that?

Getting yourself in a huff because someone gave you crap over a MLP themed 40K army is ridiculous. You should expect people to give you crap when you do that. It comes with the territory.

When you say you have a MLP army, you need to expect that a lot of people are going to respond with "Well, thats pretty stupid"

And if you're expecting that response, then you shouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. Just put on your 'haters gonna hate' smile and strut away.

Alexzandvar wrote: "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits...Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?"

Yea, that is not a lot of money really. 1k is maybe about a days worth of sales. so if you purchase that much every year and stop, the miss out on 1/350th of their daily sales. (I used 350 instead of 365 because there are a few days they are closed.)

I think you were being "aggressive and overreacting"

I guess my advice is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback.

"something as stupid as MLP" worth the caveat that most adult males will not enjoy the show and will have no interest in it, thus to them it is "Stupid"

Kanluwen wrote:By that same vein, some people don't take things seriously enough.

I can honestly say that I would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP. I think that this is a bit blown out of proportion because quite clearly the OP knows that there is a stigma attached to him after he has shown up with an army already themed for MLP--and it didn't work so hot then.

So why do another one? You're not going to win them over to your way of thinking. You can use the colors with no problem, but you're clearly doing something which is giving away your "non-visibly MLP themed armies" to your gaming group--and I have a feeling it very well might be talking about the show to them.

I agree with Kanluwen. I also "would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP."

Durza wrote:So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it?

In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech. So yes if someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it is actually okay for them to ridicule it, and say whatever they want about it...

In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech

I'm sorry, I hate to interject, but anytime I see this taken into this context I want to personally hit you with a lawbook.

You have the right to say anything, so long as it isn't Hate Speech or the various laws that undertake it.

You know, that little rule that says, you just can't go outside, yell. HEY YOU You and your children are who don't deserve to live. Freedom of speech does not cover this. .

Not to mention laws against defamation (Libel) Obscenity, Incitement, Fighting words along with some other various things.

So no, by the Laws in the United States of America, you do not have the freedom of speech to ridicule someone else.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech

I'm sorry, I hate to interject, but anytime I see this taken into this context I want to personally hit you with a lawbook.

You have the right to say anything, so long as it isn't Hate Speech or the various laws that undertake it.

You know, that little rule that says, you just can't go outside, yell. HEY YOU You and your children are who don't deserve to live, and still get away with it.

Not to mention laws against defamation (Libel) Obscenity, Incitement, Fighting words.

So no, by the Laws in the United States of America, you do not have the freedom of speech to ridicule someone else.

Woah, slow there turbo. Threatening physical violence? That's some major e-thugging coming from a dude with a pastel-colored pony as his avatar.

Hate speech, and trashing a paint job are two totally separate things...

This was not a case of someone looking to "ridicule someone else."

He was ridiculing his choice of paint job

Two totally different things.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Woah, slow there turbo. Threatening physical violence? That's some major e-thugging coming from a dude with a pastel-colored pony as his avatar.

Fear mah E-thuggin! Though it's mostly just a pet peeve when someone mistakes the laws that are in effect, and hopefully you would read the book after more or less after it hits you.

Hate speech, and trashing a paint job are two totally separate things...

This was not a case of someone looking to "ridicule someone else."

I know it is, but you had to bring in Freedom of Speech used in a mistaken way. *Shrug* sorry, I've just gotten so used to people using that excuse for things that it would never cover.

No mistake, this is not a case of "Hate Speech"

Freedom of Speech was not used mistakenly.

I suggest you read that law book before you try and "personally hit [me] with a lawbook."

DeathReaper wrote:No mistake, this is not a case of "Hate Speech"

"This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies"

"Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

Technically, yes, it could be considered hate speech.

Once he used the terms "cigarette and homo" in a derogatory manor it could be indeed called hate speech.

Hehe the censor has some odd ways to change words

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:No mistake, this is not a case of "Hate Speech"

"This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies"

"Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

Technically, yes, it could be considered hate speech.

I'm a bad person, I seriously don't see how that's "hate speech". The fruit bowl comment is kinda funny

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:No mistake, this is not a case of "Hate Speech"

"This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies"

"Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

Technically, yes, it could be considered hate speech.

"could be considered" is not the same as Is.

Context is what matters as the comments were about the paint and Mini's and not about the guy.

As for the "fruit bowl" comment, fruit bowl does not make any sense as "Hate Speech" had he said "fruit cake" then you may have a case.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Once he used the terms "cigarette and homo" in a derogatory manner it could be indeed called hate speech.

Hehe the censor has some odd ways to change words

Errr, not really.

"Hate speech" is not necessarily simply using words which could be considered "hurtful".

If the person had knowledge of the other which would lead them to use those words in a derogatory manner, it would become hate speech. Simply using the words does not necessarily fulfill the requirements for it to be considered hate speech.

There's a noticeable difference, but it comes down to that glorious concept of semantics.

"could be considered" is not the same as Is.

Context is what matters as the comments were about the paint and Mini's and not about the guy.

As for the "fruit bowl" comment, fruit bowl does not make any sense as "Hate Speech" had he said "fruit cake" then you may have a case.

It apparently was big enough for the guy to get fired from his current position. Though just changing up insults doesn't mean you can get away with said insult in the context.

Not to mention I picked the one specifically because if he was just discussing the models, he wouldn't need to bring up "Is this a model store, or a gaybar to discuss X and X" Which raises up the insults to not just the models, but the player using them.

Either way context is pretty much important, but at the same time it seemed to be more or less he was raising his context from the models to, "Because you own these models, you are X" Which in the context is raising it up to personal attacks.

This is fun, I havn't had a good law discussion in a while on here.

This story reminds me...
I knew someone with an emperor's children army who painted them in their "codex" scheme (all pink and black) and then glued plastic penises to his defilers' autocannon barrels. As I remember, the defilers were also wearing pantyhose....
No-one made fun of it. Or really even said anything about it.
But then this was in New Orleans, so that type of thing isn't really that remarkable.

Anyway, whether it's hate speech or not, it's not conduct befitting an employ of a retail store-- that guy deserved to get fired. The other guy? Not much you can do about him other than grind him beneath your Imperial boots... or hooves as the case may be.


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Also, in reference to the OP's question: No I don't think it was justified. You didn't initiate the aggression; they did. From your account, you just came to have a good time and ended up getting insulted for your personal tastes.

deathholydeath wrote:Anyway, whether it's hate speech or not, it's not conduct befitting an employ of a retail store-- that guy deserved to get fired. The other guy? Not much you can do about him other than grind him beneath your Imperial boots... or hooves as the case may be.

Exactly, this isn't even about the severity of the incident, the staff wasn't been professional at all, thats why he/she should be fired.
If the company dont, customers can speculate thats behavior a company condones ( thats why the policies are so tight )

Sigh Im frustrated. OP get accused of not been "accurate" only for the sake because onethatcannotbenamed thinks GW staffs cannot possibly be at fault like OP explained.

How the ****......... ok Mod w/e I guess im just psychotic for seeing the ridiculousness in that..

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STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP US!

Guys and girls, everyone has an opinion, lets not go Emo oever it


hahha Reds*n could we use this as some sort of chill out Meme LOL

Well, we've got to expect some blowback from people who don't share our interests. Even my mom thinks I'm crazy for liking something as bloodthirsty as 40k. I haven't even started modeling yet; I'd imagine she'd say something as crazy as "...why are you wasting money on crap like this...", not that I really care. In any case, you were well within the right. Criticism is fine. Insulting another guys army with the degree you mentioned is definitely not. I'm pretty sure that other people have gone to court for something like this. You should file an official complaint. What you do with your armies is your business...

I would raise some eyebrows at the design of my opponent's army once I get down to modeling, but I'm not stupid (or for that matter, rude) enough as to actually insult how it looks. It's his army, not mine, so I have no right to insult it.

I suggest talking to the manager. If they were the ones giving you a problem. Report to the owner. If its an official GW store call customer service and file a complaint.

They'll give you free things and may get the guy fired.

Failing that I suggest some kind of property damage. A small fire, brick/window introduction, graffiti, urination.

MLP is all about love and understanding but I'm not.
I'm a dragon, cook the gak out of them for being such dicks and Republicans - I'm assuming from the diatribe.


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It is hate speech, the gay bar comment alone makes it so. As does the 'fruit' comment.

Fruit being a common term for homosexuality among the closeted child/sheep shagging community that self hate so much they take it out on others.


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One last thing, the comment hurt me more because I was actually WATCHING MLP:FIM when I read this.

Bronies unite!

It is funny how strong fascist mindsets some 40k players do have out there. It is even more funny that many of these are marine fanboys, eg. guys who adore a male-only army whose soldiers are created by modifying their DNA with another man's DNA.

Perhaps they are denying something to themselves.

Anyways, it is good to hear the store manager called you If you meet these guys again, give them hell.

ergotoxin wrote:It is funny how strong fascist mindsets some 40k players do have out there. It is even more funny that many of these are marine fanboys, eg. guys who adore a male-only army whose soldiers are created by modifying their DNA with another man's DNA.

Now that's just disturbing...

On another note, I'm quite ashamed of fellow-Astartes players if that's how they think.