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I was at my Local GW today and was speaking to the store manager about starting a Codex Marine army, and having been a major customer for them in the past he was more than excited to help me. I talked to a guy who I have played teambattles with before about it as well.

That day I brought some printed screen shots I took in Warhammer 40k: Space Marine to outline the design for my army, the Chapter is named: The Celestial Marines. Here are my sceens.









The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".

He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?

You were plenty justified, the guy was being an arse hat of royal magnitude. Nobody can tell you how to paint your army, or criticize a paintjob due to inspiration alone. You can criticize painting for quality or just an ugly scheme, your scheme was really nice, and this guy went beyond the line of criticism and was just being rude, if I were you I'd see if I could file a report with GW against this guy (He was a GW employee, right? if so, he was WAY out of line.)

Not sure if serious...I see absolutely nothing wrong with that paint scheme. I mean, yeah, some people take this game really seriously, and funny paint schemes can take away from the grimderp feel of it all....but thats....pretty over the top.

Its your money, your time, paint them however the hell you want man.

Hey, I really like these guys.

I feel that you should never bash an armies' theme, so I feel that the reaction you were given was very nasty/rude.

1) You are justified

2) Phone head office and report that staff.

I don't get it, what was the problem of this guy? :(

I don't know MLP at all but both the word 'celestial' as well as the fleur de lis are used by official codex approved chapters made by GW...

Yes. Never stand for ridicule. While smack talking about armies I believe is fair game , they singled you out, which is not ok. I believe the GW employee was out of line and the other guy who chimmed in should get the boot from the store till he learned some manners.

That's the Fleur de Lis...
If he has a problem with it he can take it up with Joan of Arc...
At any rate they were being idiots so you're well within your rights to be annoyed and angry at them.

Thanks guys, I was truly beside my self with anger at what he said. I merely use the color schemes from MLP for inspiration and never include any actual pony models so I felt his claims were ridiculous.

The Store manager called me later and said this was not the first time his fellow staff manager did this, and he has been "removed from the stores staff", he also said the guy who chimed in at the end wanted to apologize to me. So situation averted since I really enjoyed playing at that store.

Thanks also for all the compliments on the color scheme! I always liked the Fluer De Lis as a symbol and have used it on my Tanks before, but I wanted to use it for a major symbol so, thus I used it on my new marines.

Both of those guys deserve a swift kick to the head. In a hobby that actually encourages it's players to come up with their own paint schemes and designs they were simply being rude and for no good reason. In my opinion You didn't over react at all and I probably would have said a few more choice words to the offenders.

Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...

...Anyone free to take their SoB army down to Alex's GW store

Anywho, you're well within your rights to be angry, and also well within your rights to complain; his comments about it not being a gaybar where you can discuss rainbows and ponies could well be seen as a homphobic slur, even if you're not homosexual (anyone around there at the time could well have been), and as a staff member, those types of comments should not be accepted when used in that fashion.

He also swore first if your transcript is correct, which, depending on the time of day, whether or not it was a veterans night, or or mitigating circumstances, is just as 'not on' as his other comment, both because he escalated the discussion with its use, and didn't care if any customers heard him.

The fact that another hobbyist joined in is further reason to complain, since he's setting a bad example and could even be seen as trying to turn other gamers against you for no reason.

Get your mad face on and get on the blower to Head Office.

EDIT: Bah, I take the time to type out a nice long post, and it's already sorted.

You were in line. I would talk with the store manager of it or/and contact corporate over it.

Avatar 720 wrote:Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...

Woah! I don't think this is a Spiritual Liege we are talking about here!

Avatar 720 wrote:Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...

...Anyone free to take their SoB army down to Alex's GW store

Anywho, you're well within your rights to be angry, and also well within your rights to complain; his comments about it not being a gaybar where you can discuss rainbows and ponies could well be seen as a homphobic slur, even if you're not homosexual (anyone around there at the time could well have been), and as a staff member, those types of comments should not be accepted when used in that fashion.

He also swore first if your transcript is correct, which, depending on the time of day, whether or not it was a veterans night, or or mitigating circumstances, is just as 'not on' as his other comment, both because he escalated the discussion with its use, and didn't care if any customers heard him.

The fact that another hobbyist joined in is further reason to complain, since he's setting a bad example and could even be seen as trying to turn other gamers against you for no reason.

Get your mad face on and get on the blower to Head Office.

EDIT: Bah, I take the time to type out a nice long post, and it's already sorted.

Thank you, we do not yet have a SoB army at the store, but I think I remember some one talking about starting one.

I have been to France many a time and enjoy reading about Medieval times within France.

The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".

He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?

I'd call troll by the Store guys but after your very coherent post and a good explanation I have two words for the store to**ers:

Not a lot you can do in the face of that nonsense, mate, try and find another store/report the manager/explain one last time why they are as they are.

Im a bit agog at their attitide :(

Maybe we're getting old

How did that guy recogise it as a My Little Pony theme? My exposure to MLP consisted of watching the first episode of FiM to check that it was as bad as I suspected, then ignoring it. I had no idea from lookig at the pictures that the scheme was anything to do with the show. It's not like it's all pastels and pinks or anything.

Ratius wrote:

The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".

He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"

After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?

I'd call troll by the Store guys but after your very coherent post and a good explanation I have two words for the store to**ers:

Not a lot you can do in the face of that nonsense, mate, try and find another store/report the manager/explain one last time why they are as they are.

Im a bit agog at their attitide :(

Maybe we're getting old

Luckily this was resolved considering were I live it's hard to come by Hobby stores that carry and play Warhammer 40k, but I have had issues in the past because of my armies inspiration. Luckily being the civil and calm guy I am I have never gotten in trouble for it.




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Perfect Organism wrote:How did that guy recogise it as a My Little Pony theme? My exposure to MLP consisted of watching the first episode of FiM to check that it was as bad as I suspected, then ignoring it. I had no idea from lookig at the pictures that the scheme was anything to do with the show. It's not like it's all pastels and pinks or anything.

The guys at the store guessed it from the fact I have a Army with Void Space Camo that uses Luna's Cuitemark as a Marking.

If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.

Now to put this in context I run a Imperial Guard Army called Luna's Legion. This is a heavy armor army that makes heavy use of Tanks and Artillery and my only Titan ( a Warlord ). This is an apoc battle. This Army uses the cutie mark of the Princess from My Little Pony as a banner and marking.

The Army is painted in a void space Camo theme.

I enter the store to play a 2vs2 Apoc with my Friend who plays Ultramarines. I sit down and begin to unload my army after greeting everyone. My opponents are 2 people who I have never met before, they look to be in there 20's or older, one plays Ork "Green Tide" and another plays Tyranids. Now, everyone in the store knows about the cutie mark thing, but I had to tell them as none of them recognized it, and they didn't care and I even got some compliments on my painting. As I take my Baneblades out ( I didn't bring my Titan, to big and to cumbersome sometimes ) they have 2 flags on the back of each both with said cutie mark and a III under it. The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".

After I have everything unloaded and I begin to speak with my friend on strategy the Ork player leans over the table and says, "Are you ing slowed? Were is all of your Guardsmen and Infantry, I explain to him what little Infantry I have is on Chimeras and Valkyries as I do not like playing with mass Infantry and prefer mass armored combat. But hes having none of it and proclaims that his Orks will crush my "Stupid list" into nothing. Battle opens up and he loses his entire first charging wave to my 4 Baneblades and several Leman Russ's. He then goes into a rage accusing me of being a player and how I won't be able to hold off another attack. Second wave is chopped to peices by Artillery fire and my Manticores turn his Warboss into a green smear.

Him AND his friend the Tyranid player then go into a rant on how I am a Horse er for having a Army which only illusion to My Little Pony is it's flag, and my friend for being a "Ultrafaggot". They then pack up and leave, with the Ork player throwing his Warboss in the trash on the way out.

Me and friend re-organize our armies as we have another match later that day and go grab a Starbucks and something to eat from Cheesecake factory!

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Whether MLP is stupid or not is an opinion.
However giving someone abuse because a symbol represents something you don't like isn't above board...
Now if that symbol was actively offensive that'd be a different matter.

For someone who's had some pretty bad experiences with bullying and the like, Warhammer is the one place where we're all just friends sharing a hobby. If that teasing got brought into 40k, I think I'd do something similar. I'd say you're pretty justified.

DarkCorsair wrote:For someone who's had some pretty bad experiences with bullying and the like, Warhammer is the one place where we're all just friends sharing a hobby. If that teasing got brought into 40k, I think I'd do something similar. I'd say you're pretty justified.

It's this behavior among 40k players that's beginning to drive me toward WarmaHordes where at least I've got Pg. 5.

Alexzandvar wrote:

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.

Now to put this in context I run a Imperial Guard Army called Luna's Legion. This is a heavy armor army that makes heavy use of Tanks and Artillery and my only Titan ( a Warlord ). This is an apoc battle. This Army uses the cutie mark of the Princess from My Little Pony as a banner and marking.

The Army is painted in a void space Camo theme.

I enter the store to play a 2vs2 Apoc with my Friend who plays Ultramarines. I sit down and begin to unload my army after greeting everyone. My opponents are 2 people who I have never met before, they look to be in there 20's or older, one plays Ork "Green Tide" and another plays Tyranids. Now, everyone in the store knows about the cutie mark thing, but I had to tell them as none of them recognized it, and they didn't care and I even got some compliments on my painting. As I take my Baneblades out ( I didn't bring my Titan, to big and to cumbersome sometimes ) they have 2 flags on the back of each both with said cutie mark and a III under it. The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".

After I have everything unloaded and I begin to speak with my friend on strategy the Ork player leans over the table and says, "Are you ing slowed? Were is all of your Guardsmen and Infantry, I explain to him what little Infantry I have is on Chimeras and Valkyries as I do not like playing with mass Infantry and prefer mass armored combat. But hes having none of it and proclaims that his Orks will crush my "Stupid list" into nothing. Battle opens up and he loses his entire first charging wave to my 4 Baneblades and several Leman Russ's. He then goes into a rage accusing me of being a player and how I won't be able to hold off another attack. Second wave is chopped to peices by Artillery fire and my Manticores turn his Warboss into a green smear.

Him AND his friend the Tyranid player then go into a rant on how I am a Horse er for having a Army which only illusion to My Little Pony is it's flag, and my friend for being a "Ultrafaggot". They then pack up and leave, with the Ork player throwing his Warboss in the trash on the way out.

Me and friend re-organize our armies as we have another match later that day and go grab a Starbucks and something to eat from Cheesecake factory!

Lol talk about some crazy rage from those guys.

Some people are a bit too serious methinks.

By that same vein, some people don't take things seriously enough.

I can honestly say that I would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP. I think that this is a bit blown out of proportion because quite clearly the OP knows that there is a stigma attached to him after he has shown up with an army already themed for MLP--and it didn't work so hot then.

So why do another one? You're not going to win them over to your way of thinking. You can use the colors with no problem, but you're clearly doing something which is giving away your "non-visibly MLP themed armies" to your gaming group--and I have a feeling it very well might be talking about the show to them.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. But you have to realize that some people just are not interested--and if you continue to pursue that, it's going to irritate them.
I don't know how old you are, nor how old the staff at your store are, etc but I'm going to guess under 20 or so and consisting of mostly males. Depending on how friendly you are with the staff it changes the dynamic a bit more, where they are willing to be a bit more "buddy buddy" and that will inevitably lead to some ribbing.

In situations like that--it will end, almost without fail, in them mocking you with slurs intended to question your masculinity. In the end you have to decide whether or not they're people you want to spend time with, or if you might actively be doing something which they think is worth mocking. I can't really see this being a case of victimization with no real instance which could lead to it.

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Nice display of tolerance to other people's interests there. And that planned chapter doesn't even have any obvious references to the show. It'd take someone who watches them or is familiar with the subject to catch the reference in it, or by the sounds of it, the OP's Guard regiment.

Anyway, yeah, you were totally justified. Though I am slightly tempted to tell you to make Pinkie Pie themed Orks...

Yeah it sounds like he just simply used the Moon logo, donkey-cave will be donkey-caves, they need little reason.

Alexzandvar wrote:

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.

Cool story bro.

So some people taunted you about your MLP stuff?

Thats exactly what I'm saying. You're doing something contentious and a lot of people think is stupid. You've got to expect people to tell you so.

Kaldor wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.

Cool story bro.

So some people taunted you about your MLP stuff?

Thats exactly what I'm saying. You're doing something contentious and a lot of people think is stupid. You've got to expect people to tell you so.

So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it? Or is it just in this one instance? There's no reason why he should expect people to give him grief over what colour he paints his models. Because they're his. See where I'm going with that?

Uhhhm sorry guys, as per the OPs pics, WTF has MLP got to do with this whole thread?

Help a drunken Paddy out. Seriously.

Oh tell me it isnt the 2 nostrils on the helmet right?????

Ratius wrote:Uhhhm sorry guys, as per the OPs pics, WTF has MLP got to do with this whole thread?

Help a drunken Paddy out. Seriously.

Oh tell me it isnt the 2 nostrils on the helmet right?????

Context, Ratius.

He has previously posted about "difficulties" with his gaming group and his Imperial Guard which have banners depicting an icon from My Little Pony.