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DeathReaper wrote:

Shayden wrote:40k could use a bit of happiness and love.

That would go against the Gothic Horror aspect that 40K is built on, and would diminish the entire setting.

I would say that adding some light in the form of love (or some other happy emotion) would increase the effectiveness of the gothic horror setting. Having that little glimmer of light, that tiny sliver of hope, highlights how messed up the galaxy is. If everything is the same grimy shade of dark then it all just mixes together and becomes discernible. As it is I really couldn't care less about what happens to humanity in the 40k universe. It hasn't given me any reason to care.

As an example. The holocaust was extremely bad. Did the fact that some Jews were saved by Germans (such as Oskar Schindler) make it any less terrible? No.

So from a literary standpoint the 40k setting is terrible as it doesn't provide any contrast to increase the impact of the horrors it uses to advance (or sustain) its plot.

beigeknight wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Its better than the alternative.

What is "the alternative" you speak of? I figure the alternative of being a total d-bag is to NOT be a total d-bag. In which case no, that's not better than the alternative.

I guess people have the right to be a dick. Then again, one has the right to call out people on being a dick and treating them accordingly.

The Alternative is if people don't find a way to blow off steam, and keep it bottled up, they climb tall structures with high powered rifles, and use heads as target practice.

The friend mentioned was in Dessert Storm, he was deployed for a few years over there. No telling what he has experienced.

So It may be his way of blowing off steam as to not climb a tall structure with a rifle.

You guys keep mentioning 'dessert storm'-was that where we raided the Keebler elf factory and assassinated Willy Wonka? I think you mean 'desert storm.' Remember, dessert has two 's's because you always want more. That's how I was taught in third grade.

timetowaste85 wrote:you'd probably not want to stand across from my Iron Man themed Eldar army, and that's fine.

Actually that sounds pretty cool.

Thunderfrog wrote:As a side note.. why is it artistically acceptable to legions of zombie IG ( zombies being their own fad ) hitler IG, and what the hell ever to exist but as soon as someone parodies the srs bzns grimdark of 40k they level of disgust is so high that people actually would go out of their way to completely dismiss someone as a potential opponent or person of interest?

Well said. And here lies the hypocrasy of some people.

Daleks in your Necron army? Cool.
Painting Tau XV8 Crisis Battlesuit to look like Briareos from Appleseed? Sweet.
A minor bit of influence from My Little Pony Friendship is Magic? Get out of my sight!

Seriously the people complaining about this are basically saying "how dare you like what I don't like" rather than looking at how the influence works. I mean yes I'd hardly expect a bunch of Marines based on Pinkie Pie to make any sence (though they would be funny to look at) but influences from Princess Luna and Princess Celestia could turn out pretty interesting, especially if it includes a royal element to everything.

On that note I'd love to see this Luna themed army too. I'm a brony myself and a fan of Luna so an army based on her sounds pretty cool.

DeathReaper wrote:He is "a dick" to people who are "deserving", in his mind, of ridicule.

This is usually directed at people who do, what he considers, stupid stuff.

He is a curmudgeon. I guess making fun of people is his release.

Its better than the alternative.

In my book being a dick to people who you consider deserve it is still being a dick. Better than the alternative? Being nice to people? Or are you implying if he didn't have this release as a dick he would hurt people physically instead?

Skriker

Something to note is how obvious the influence is.

If I show up with a Death Korps of Krieg army with a trench board, with the troopers painted in the recognizable blue longcoat and their banners painted in the red, white, and blue bars of the French flag, and they have wheels of cheese on their bases--you're going to recognize it right away as an army based upon French forces during the First World War.

If I show up with a Death Korps of Krieg army with a trench board, with the troops having that same blue longcoat and each platoon having different color markings (one red, one white, one blue)--it's a far more subtle thing which you might not recognize immediately. You might just see it as a striking color scheme.

The player, as well, is something to take into consideration. If I were speaking English with a French accent--it might be something which leads you to put 2 and 2 together and making the conclusion "Oh! That's a First World War French army!".
If I were standing there with a MLP t-shirt on, showing the same character which I themed my army around, and talking about being a brony--it becomes very painfully obvious what is going on.

That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
I also, personally, find most of the "zombie IG" just as dumb--but they're not really in bad taste nor potentially going to be as much of a powderkeg for a situation involving adolescent males as the OP's will be.

Kanluwen wrote:Indeed. Something you can also do is take into context the poster's history.

I actually had a PM recently when I changed my sig, info, and avatar to the current Infinity "theme" I have going on asking about what happened between myself and GW as a company.
If I weren't a well-known GW "fanboy", it would have been no big deal. As it stands--it was something someone actually considered important enough to see if there was a story behind it.
(There's really not. I like the Dasyu Sniper model and decided I'd go with an ALEPH "theme" for a bit, before anyone asks. )

Looks like we have covered the bases on this one, thanks for the discourse. I guess I have a slightly more optimistic view on the subject of employee/management relations, but you've definitely had some lousy experiences on that front which are definitely just as valid and clearly sucked in a big way.

Skriker

Shadowbrand wrote:You can't and never will understand.

Some men wana watch the world burn.

There's about 5 or 6 people on Dakka who groaned at you saying that...

Skriker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Indeed. Something you can also do is take into context the poster's history.

I actually had a PM recently when I changed my sig, info, and avatar to the current Infinity "theme" I have going on asking about what happened between myself and GW as a company.
If I weren't a well-known GW "fanboy", it would have been no big deal. As it stands--it was something someone actually considered important enough to see if there was a story behind it.
(There's really not. I like the Dasyu Sniper model and decided I'd go with an ALEPH "theme" for a bit, before anyone asks. )

Looks like we have covered the bases on this one, thanks for the discourse. I guess I have a slightly more optimistic view on the subject of employee/management relations, but you've definitely had some lousy experiences on that front which are definitely just as valid and clearly sucked in a big way.

Skriker

It was a pleasure having a reasonable discussion with you!

Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

Unless you're playing Flames of War.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

Unless you're playing Flames of War.

True, but I did specify "Hitler IG"...although I guess I should have been more specific with my following post!

Doing Nazi/Hitler themed armies for Warhammer 40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.

Its hard to understand when there cant really be an expression of tone, but I do believe you were in your right. I have no problems with bronies, In fact two of my brothers are bronies and although it can annoy me to no end, I don't hate it or them.

However you've got to remember that bronieism is pretty obscure, and to be ready for the ire and insults you will draw.

Kanluwen wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

Unless you're playing Flames of War.

True, but I did specify "Hitler IG"...although I guess I should have been more specific with my following post!

Doing Nazi/Hitler themed armies for Warhammer 40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.

Oh I agree entirely, I was just having a little fun.

Thunderfrog wrote:

beigeknight wrote:@ Deathreaper,

Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.

I have multiple friends that were in Desert Storm. I also have a couple uncles that were in Vietnam. They don't go around acting like jerks for their own amusement. In fact, there's a lot of soldiers that experience terrible things and don't "blow off steam on others or start shooting people". People like that are just sick, and it has nothing to do with being in the military. And I see no reason why people should defend that type of jerk.

War affects a lot of people in a lot of different ways.

He is a good guy once you get to know him, he just has a very low threshold for stupid.

Daleks in your Necron army? Cool.

I've seen a Geth based Necron army, it was awesome.

That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

Seems news to me, I've seen it plenty, as well as praised within quite a few circles of 40k, both on here and else wise. Someone had even stylized Hitler as the HQ with a Dr. Josef Mengele Medic.

To me I'm pretty acceptable with most armies personally, though anything with outright slurs or glued on penises..(Why do people sell tiny little things of these?) Basically, nothing to outright profane.

DeathReaper wrote:

Thunderfrog wrote:

beigeknight wrote:@ Deathreaper,

Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.

I have multiple friends that were in Desert Storm. I also have a couple uncles that were in Vietnam. They don't go around acting like jerks for their own amusement. In fact, there's a lot of soldiers that experience terrible things and don't "blow off steam on others or start shooting people". People like that are just sick, and it has nothing to do with being in the military. And I see no reason why people should defend that type of jerk.

War affects a lot of people in a lot of different ways.

He is a good guy once you get to know him, he just has a very low threshold for stupid.

Problem is no one is really going to take the time to get to know him if he is busy being a dick to everyone.

Putting down someone's paint job just to see them get hurt at angry is serious anti-social behaviour.

How was the guy showing his painting to people being stupid and therefore open to abuse.

Sound like your friend has low self esteem and has a need to put others down to feel better about himself.

There is critique and then there is just rude.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

Seems news to me, I've seen it plenty, as well as praised within quite a few circles of 40k, both on here and else wise. Someone had even stylized Hitler as the HQ with a Dr. Josef Mengele Medic.

Post where you've seen it.

No, really. Do it. I've seen the majority of these threads (and posted in them as well) and it almost always ends up locked when it becomes blatantly obvious that the OP doesn't want to do anything than get a rise out of the people presenting her/him with an argument as why not to do it.

You might be confusing, however, the armies which have been done using camouflage/color schemes based upon the colors of the Wehrmacht and SS.
There is a huge difference between using the colors of a terrible event within history and using their actual insignias.

Necro wrote:Problem is no one is really going to take the time to get to know him if he is busy being a dick to everyone.

He is not a dick to everyone, just people who he deems worthy of ridicule, like people who are not smart/religious people/people who believe in ghosts.

Necro wrote:Putting down someone's paint job just to see them get hurt at angry is serious anti-social behaviour.

How was the guy showing his painting to people being stupid and therefore open to abuse.

The guy with the Xmas eldar he was ripping on the Theme, not the actual paint job. He thought the paint job was good, but the theme was terribad.

Necro wrote:Sound like your friend has low self esteem and has a need to put others down to feel better about himself.

There is critique and then there is just rude.

I have not noticed any low self esteem. his is about average.

He gets a laugh because of stupid people, I guess a lot of people do.

You might be confusing, however, the armies which have been done using camouflage/color schemes based upon the colors of the Wehrmacht and SS.
There is a huge difference between using the colors of a terrible event within history and using their actual insignias.

Potentially, most of the ones I've seen use the Iron Cross rather than the now tarnished Buddhist symbol.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2011/8/10/910934f22bf5848e85c03ca348910392_47450.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/open_sketchbook/PredatorDandTechmarine.jpg

There was one army I've seen A long while back that had someone actually done up the Hitler model. Which if I can find again I'll send it to you (or post it here). It certainly wasn't praised though.

Though there was a few arguments over the coloration before, though I think it was due to the Iron cross that people objected.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/389266.page

Edit: This has gone majorly off-topic with its various discussions now hasn't it.

The Iron Cross is not in and of itself an offensive symbol. It's still in use by the Bundeswehr.

Kanluwen wrote:40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.

In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.

World War II gaming definitely gets really boring if no one will play "the bad guys"...of course there are still arguements about them over in the FoW/Historical forum on Dakka about people who play an SS force and have the "audacity" to put the unit marking of the panzer division they play on their army bag and how they are really horrible people because of it.

Skriker

Indeed it was poor spelling, I'll claim to be damaged by online-games. Still my point stands, if we would, right from the start presume the OP's viewpoint to be faulty then the whole basis of this thread and any argument is instantly negated. So if that is indeed your way of looking at things there is rather nothing you can say or add that would make any difference Kanluwen. If to argue for or not what assumed offender said would be justified then we must do so from the viewpoint that the OP is correct in what he himself felt when said conversation occurred.

Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".

Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.

Anyway, from the description of your IG and the example of the Marine above, I don't really see anything wrong with your color schemes. The symbols could be from any number of things, and someone would actually have to watch the show to catch the reference.

As an aside, however, dropping 4 Baneblades and a bunch of manticores against infantry swarms doesn't make you any sort of tactical genius. Apocalypse is a stupid game.

Omegus wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".

Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.

What would be the point of doing anything themed on the show if you weren't a fan of it? Would kind of defeat the purpose.

Omegus wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".

Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.

Anyway, from the description of your IG and the example of the Marine above, I don't really see anything wrong with your color schemes. The symbols could be from any number of things, and someone would actually have to watch the show to catch the reference.

As an aside, however, dropping 4 Baneblades and a bunch of manticores against infantry swarms doesn't make you any sort of tactical genius. Apocalypse is a stupid game.

Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.

Dark wrote:
Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.

Argentina is renowned for being the centre of the world when it comes to Polo (and rightly so). So your country might be a bit biased towards any show involving equines in the first place.

Dark wrote:Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.

Really? A soldier has a harder time explaining why he plays with toy soldiers than watching a cartoon about magical gay ponies? Your country's military must be fearsome indeed.

Omegus wrote:

Dark wrote:Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.

Really? A soldier has a harder time explaining why he plays with toy soldiers than watching a cartoon about magical gay ponies? Your country's military must be fearsome indeed.

I must admit, like every one, there was a time when I was unsure about myself and my interests... then I got out of puberty

On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.

I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.

the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.

Red_Lives wrote:On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.

I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.

the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.

Now this is actually sad. You shouldn't need to hide who you are. As for mlp, I might crack a joke with someone who I know it enjoys it... if you ask if I watch it (because of a pin in my bag, which I don't just use for gaming) I'll be honest, and I'd expect some politeness (same as I don't like manga nor anime, but I don't mind lads with t-shirts and assorted stuff around me).

I admit drawing some of the WH40K themed avatars you see in some users, but Hel, everything is good to practice with the tablet.

In the end, I find it ok to not like what someone like, it's ok to think it's stupid, in wargaming you can even choose to not play with that person, I'm just against being rude or offensive about it, not all have a thick skin that puts a TDA to shame, and we must respect that and be careful.

Edit because somehow I screwed the color tag xD