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A vendetta or two. If he equipped it wrong he cant even fight back against them since blast weapons cant touch them well zooming. Also scratch building isn't the same as a proxy. Especially since there is no official model for a warlord titan a unit for which there are official rules for.

Yes, one big thing to mention, as it was in a early post is.... he most likely will have his thunder wolf cav with in the 12" void shield bubble. Or at least thats what I would do. So everthing you shoot at it from outside of 12" will be hitting armor 12 void shields.

On a side note... do void shields have .... shield points? like hull points?? I assume not, but I never thought about it until now.

No, shields act as the did previously. A pen or glance will drop 1 shield.

Scrath Build an Emperah titan. The Only way to beat bigi guns is with bigger guns. That's some good 40k logic.

spam fliers at him. 90% of a warlords guns cant touch fliers. thunderbolts are dirt cheap, and super effective, or grab any of the eldar fliers. the nightwing is pure win, and sports a pair of lances. dark eldar void raven bombers also work well with str 9 lances. if i recall correctly a warlord titan is 2500pts

the DE voidraven is 145pts. so grab 18 void ravens. give that titan 36 str 9 shots that treat his armor as 12, and get +1 on the damage charts... easy peasy. for added fun, the ravager titan hunter formation has a special weapon that if it hits, you ignore all void shields for that turn. hit him with that first, then the bombers. should be a single turn arse wooping.

and for apocalypse dosent matter what army you play.

however if your not able to get ahold of DE then i would just suggest as many fliers with as many lascannons as possible. heck, create your own flier, with a single twin linked lascannon for 120pts and grab like 20 of them. (model aircraft work good for this)

if you can figure out a way to do it, charge it with thunderhammers or chainfists. drop some vortex missiles on those TWC first to make a hole, then giver.

a warlord or any titan is easy to beat when you realize:

- its pretty big and hard to maunever around. its gigantic footprint makes getting in range or charging easy.
- 90% of its guns are blasts, and thus cant shoot at fliers. your fliers can strafe it with impunity and without fear of the titan retaliating. and you can have a TON of fliers for the cost of that titan.
- his units gaurding it are additonal cost, and can be dealt with easilly by tying them up in combat, (with like wyches or Th/SS termies)
- have a plan. if you plan to assault, then send in some units to tie up and distract his gaurds "make a hole" then hit it next turn with your ace. strike from multiple directions.
if your going ranged, saturate the area with long range high power shots, (10 baneblades or any variant can do that nice) and use those baneblades as bait, then hit with airpower. the key is to strike it in a coordinated attack. if you just throw a unit at it, youll loose. devise an entire army around taking that titan down, (if you can do so in a single turn even better) and once it falls, your army can then mop up whats left. - plus it makes him think twice about fielding it.

On the subject of 18 VRs, does anyone else remember a bit in the first post about not much income? I'm sure I heared it somewhere.

I would love to field that many fliers, but lack the income to field such a force. It could be built but would take a while. I'd also like to stick to GKs and IG. A small ally detachment is a possibility, but like I said I'd rather stick with my 2 armies.(IG I have very little for)

How about your GK? Can you spam Psyfleman dreads?

Titan hammer formation with lots of vortex grenades will always be my favorite titan hunters.

I can currently do 3 Venerable Dreads, and 3 Regular Dreads. All with TL Autocannons of course. With GKs, we can spam lots of Strength 7 weapons, but with Strength 8-10 or low Ap shooting weapons we're a little hosed.

Psyflemen arn't going to do much beside drop its Voids. Its AV14.

A squad of GK terminators, all with Thunderhammers, will do a number on the titan. 5 terminators do 5 hull points and 3 damage rolls a turn if Hammerhand goes off.

6 Psyflemen could do a lot to drop the shields and take out the thunderwolves, they're also quite likely to be a good fire magnet. But I see what you mean about needing something else.

Once the Void Shields are dropped tho, he can get them back by rolling how many structure points are left on the Warlord. You will have to try to knock it all out at once...a big feat.

With 3 Baneblades you could also take a formation that gives you +1 on the damage table for each canon that hit the titan(which shouldn't be too hard ).

If you can manage to knock out the void shields this could be helpful I think

White Ninja wrote:A vendetta or two. If he equipped it wrong he cant even fight back against them since blast weapons cant touch them well zooming. Also scratch building isn't the same as a proxy. Especially since there is no official model for a warlord titan a unit for which there are official rules for.

Actually, a scratchbuild is exactly and undeniably a proxy. A proxy is a stand-in used to represent a codex entry other than the official model. As there is no official model, anything used as said entry would be a stand-in, and thus proxy.

Get your hands on three manticores, some techpriests with servitors and the "Emperor's Deliverance Rocket Battery" data sheet. Not sure where to find the data sheet but it was in an old white dwarf. It allows you to attempt to fire all of the rockets in one salvo, I fired 22 at a formation of vindicators once.

You can also reload.

You guys are forgetting about the DE Shadow Dancer formation.

- Take 3+ Ravagers with Dark Lances and Flickerfields
- One Ravager is automatically equipped with a Shadow Beam
- The Shadow Beam is a S1 Ap- weapon that when it hits a target, all subsequent shots from the formation ignore Void Shields and Holo/Power Fields.
- Outflank or provide a distraction to let your Ravagers close in, fire the Shadow Beam, and then your S8 Lances will ignore the troublesome Voids.

A sea of Scarabs will still shred it, even with Entropic Strike working only on 6. The expected return of 10 scarabs charging is 4.444 lost armor. If 30 scarabs charge, it'd be down to AV0-4 no problem, and 100+ glances/pens from those same scarabs is going to wreck it handily.

Why would Entropic Strike only work on a 6?

Sigvatr wrote:Why would Entropic Strike only work on a 6?

Because Forge World updated it?

If no-one seems able to touch his titan, put it in a last stand type scenario where he deploys in the middle and everyone else comes on from table edges, someone will have exposed rear armour.

To defeat it I would recoment Vendettas in squadrons, keep them zooming and he won't be able to touch them with the TWC and the 9 TL Lascannons per squadron will make short work of the titan.

Also you can always deepstrike in termies to tie up the TWC and use the vendettas gravchute insertion rule to deploy behind it with melta vets with the demolition ability they'll cause no end of trouble for it

A few Ideas:

1)A Mawloc.I Had this happen to 1 of my reaver titans. A mawloc deep striked right under my titan and I couldn't move it away for the template as I had the titan surrounded by terminators to counter assault things probably like his thunder cav. As I couldn't move out of contact from the template it counts the vehicle(titan) as destroyed.1450 points gone. also it can re-deep strike.

2)A Grand Master with Orbital Lance Strike. Use your auto cannon dreads to remove its voids then Lance strike it. Even with full scatter (if the titan is scaled rite) you can't miss.

3)Guard Veterans in Vendetta with melta guns and demo charges.Vendetta lascannons handy too.

4)Lysander. I Have yet to find a vehicle this guy can't destroy in 1 turn, and explode.

5)Rever and Warhound Titans with destroyer weapons(I know not economically viable), I did cross a site while looking for the forgeworld superheavy rule update and found a place that built warlords to order for couple hundred pound. unfortunately a don't remember the name.

6)A good roll with a vindicare assassin's turbo-penetrator(S4D6 AP1). I've taken down landraiders with it, so chain reactions maybe possible.

7)Grand master Mordrak. He has a Daemon Hammer and arrives 1st turn and won't scatter. got to be some room around that things legs. Maybe stern's zone of banshment, bit of along shot.

8)Deadknights using smash and personal teleporters.

9)I haven't vs'd thunder cav but if you could get paladins with daemon hammers n halberds in close.halberds should be faster then cav or any lords and hammers at strength 10(after hammerhand) can handle the titan. Remember that ALL paladins are Characters so can accept and issue challenges. Add apoth for feel no pain and a banner and a halberd totting paladin can be a real pain even to a lord.

10)Long Shot but Straken is S6 with 2D6 for AP.

Well this type of Straken could probably board the titan.

Dreadknights are Str10 already. They don't need Smash.

valace2 wrote:
prolly not the Titan is only 750

Warlords are 2500 points

Valkyrie wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Why would Entropic Strike only work on a 6?

Because Forge World updated it?

Forgeworld isn't part of official rules unlike the Apocalypse rule book, correct?

Play 2k points. then he can't bring it

How about chaos winged MC army? S10 attacks in CC, and he can't hit you easily.

Sigvatr wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Why would Entropic Strike only work on a 6?

Because Forge World updated it?

Forgeworld isn't part of official rules unlike the Apocalypse rule book, correct?

Without that change Super Heavies are unplayable in the new rules.

ScopeMk2 wrote:A few Ideas:


7)Grand master Mordrak. He has a Daemon Hammer and arrives 1st turn and won't scatter. got to be some room around that things legs. Maybe stern's zone of banshment, bit of along shot.

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Titans cannot be affected by powers which do not have a strength value. So no ZoB for him.