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Last time we wanted something better quality and quicker, we got finecast!
I see no problem with the way its going

Wait, it's not out yet?
I haven't tried to buy it from GW's website but it looks like it is already out..
either way, those new tau models are sexy.
I want to get a broadside just cause it's so groovy lookin'.
Also, they have awesome HQ models now, like a FireWarrior looking guy and a pathfinder!
How cool is that!?


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Last time we wanted something better quality and quicker, we got finecast!
I see no problem with the way its going

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Darkstrider, dude.

I can't wait til summer so I can work full time.

All comes out on the 6th yukondal.
So still 4 days away.
However, pre-orders before a certain date will get to stores on the day of release, and to home the day before (this friday)
So all seems good.

oh ok. cool, thanks Jackal

frogy is just upset that Tau are getting an update and wants us to use the old codex so he wont lose all the time......

I dont think its a downgrade in quality...just GW getting their butts in gear. The codexes that are coming out now(tau,eldar, maybe orks{hopefully BT....poor bastards} and some fantasy stuff) have probably been in the works for quite some time and are now finally getting released in piecemeal for maximum profit and final tweaks lol

Well, as said this edition is more shooty than the former ones. This could be beneficial for Tau unless the designers have screwed them. But this seems unlikely.

frogy27 wrote:
And rail guns being nerfd to s8 makeing them no better then ms and useless fron what i have read they have been overall nerfed so my tau will still stay on the shelf

railguns on broadsides have been nerfed. Hammerheads still have your str10 fun, and it got better as it can kill muttiple things

 Melissia wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I wouldn't wish anyone to get a codex like 5ed 'Nids ever.

Fifth edition Tyranids was a good, relatively balanced codex that caused a lot of people to whine because they were expecting something that was ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced.

No GW invalidated a lot of units that everyone used to use in order to make profit for shiny new trygons. Carnifexes would be a prime example. In fact, there are plenty underpowered units in the codex, which is why you only see a few builds for 'Nids at tournaments.

 Melissia wrote:
Fifth edition Tyranids was a good, relatively balanced codex that caused a lot of people to whine because they were expecting something that was ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced.

Sounds like someone who hasnt even looked at the codex. You have 9 units to build a competitive list from: Tyrant, Terv, gaunt, Zoan, HG, Ymargl, Biovore, Doom, Trygon. After that you are venturing into the poor-horrible realm. Nids is still the worst internally balanced codex in current use and is only limping along because tervigons exist. When one unit is the only thing keeping a codex from being entirely invalid, the book is crap. I would agree, i wouldnt wish a 5th nid codex on anyone.


Tau will see an overall improvement in play. Pretty significantly, they will also be one of the most popular ally choices due to the number of armies they ally with. They also have access to Eldar for psychic powers and defense, something that they lack, and will see a lot of the other gaps in the old codex filled in. They will have more mid-strength shooting, more ways to deal with assault, and generally a stronger codex. How internally balanced the codex is remains to be seen, but at this point the old codex is nearly invalid for competitive settings. They can really only go up.

I guess there are only a few issues that seem to bother me so far. I'm still optimistic, since it looks like we will be able to field troops that can do something instead of relying on heavily loaded Elite and Heavy choices.

I'm disappointed that the Devilfish will probably still be expensive and terrible. With a unit that has unit wide strong weapons they need an open topped transport like the Necron's ghost ark.

Suits are still BS3. Just going to save myself a lot of typing. With multi-trackers built in, it could mean that it will be easier to get the upgrade for BS4 and still bring two weapons.

I don't see why people are so positive about the Hammerhead being the only S10 weapon in the army. It's only getting the single shot, not line of death most people hoped for. It gives even less reason to bring the Ionhead.

I'm still hopeful though.

I have think the changes will be welcome ones and needed ones. All the books that have out this year so far have been really quite good.

The additon of the Riptide is interesting and I am sure it will be a real flyer killer. And well, anything killer. Also from what I understand, there are a great deal more HQ options which is really needed. One thing I found that Tau lacked was solid HQ also making a Fire Warriors based army more viable will be nice to see as well as making specific lore based tactics more relavant.

Ignoring the other crap (lol, "haven't looked at the codex", sure thing kiddo)...

 zephoid wrote:
You have 9 units to build a competitive list from

As a Sisters of Battle player, that's quite a fething lot to me.

I have nine non-SC, non-transport units, period for a pure Sisters army.

But then again, I disagree that you only ever have nine competitive units to build from to begin with. That's a discussion for another thread though, and a discussion that's been had to death already anyway.

Does anybody know if the Riptide takes normal support systems like XV8s? It'd probably be pretty worth it to slap a Targeting Array on that baby, otherwise the statline looks pretty good to be honest. Yay for taking spanish classes. I know I'm using the Riptide, got the launch bundle. What do you guys think about the weapons systems? Like whether the mega burst cannon thingy will be better than the ion cannons, or vice versa.

It looks like we aren't getting Targeting arrays. So basically the entire army may be gimped so that it can rely on a very fragile Pathfinder team.

 zephoid wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Fifth edition Tyranids was a good, relatively balanced codex that caused a lot of people to whine because they were expecting something that was ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced.

Sounds like someone who hasnt even looked at the codex. You have 9 units to build a competitive list from: Tyrant, Terv, gaunt, Zoan, HG, Ymargl, Biovore, Doom, Trygon. After that you are venturing into the poor-horrible realm. Nids is still the worst internally balanced codex in current use and is only limping along because tervigons exist. When one unit is the only thing keeping a codex from being entirely invalid, the book is crap. I would agree, i wouldnt wish a 5th nid codex on anyone.


Tau will see an overall improvement in play. Pretty significantly, they will also be one of the most popular ally choices due to the number of armies they ally with. They also have access to Eldar for psychic powers and defense, something that they lack, and will see a lot of the other gaps in the old codex filled in. They will have more mid-strength shooting, more ways to deal with assault, and generally a stronger codex. How internally balanced the codex is remains to be seen, but at this point the old codex is nearly invalid for competitive settings. They can really only go up.

and DE have, what 7 viable choices?

most non IoM codexes quickly become invalidated when a new edition comes out

 Exergy wrote:

frogy27 wrote:
And rail guns being nerfd to s8 makeing them no better then ms and useless fron what i have read they have been overall nerfed so my tau will still stay on the shelf

railguns on broadsides have been nerfed. Hammerheads still have your str10 fun, and it got better as it can kill muttiple things

Yeah they're only S8, but at least they're twin-linked and AP1 - short of a Land Raider, you should be blowing the hell out of any vehicle out there still... just not with the laughable ease that they could before. And to be honest, Land Raiders have had it rough for too long now.

Also, froggy... no one agrees with you. I'm sorely tempted to click that little "ignore" button.

The S8 is a little disapointing but still damn good, and twin linked like it was said. They can take on whatever whilst the Hammerheads take on big stuff. Thats probably a better spread though, I mean S10 is of course the best, but I always had trouble deciding what to shoot at with the Hammerhead or what to save for the Broadsides. I mean, shoot ar armour, thats pretty straight forward. But I still like the S8 and S10 spread.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
The S8 is a little disapointing but still damn good, and twin linked like it was said. They can take on whatever whilst the Hammerheads take on big stuff. Thats probably a better spread though, I mean S10 is of course the best, but I always had trouble deciding what to shoot at with the Hammerhead or what to save for the Broadsides. I mean, shoot ar armour, thats pretty straight forward. But I still like the S8 and S10 spread.

+1 to this. Just because the "rail rifles" were nerfed to S8 doesn't mean that they are worthless (though one could give it lance, because heck, rail guns eat armor for breakfast) They still mash anything AV13 and under, with the skyfire option tau now have really good AA. Watch out vendettas, you now are threatened!

S8 Vs A13 means you only pen on a 6 and it is useless against A14 because for that price and a Heavy Support slot it shouldn't be forced to "glance it to death" unless it gets a crazy amount of shots. Look at the Forgefiend for example, which will 8 shots total for about 4 hits compared to BS3 Broadsides with twinlinked railguns for at most 3 hits. The Forgefiend would be the more reliable choice to me since it also gets to reroll to pen rolls and is comparable in price. It's also in an army with a versatile Obliterator and Triple Twin-Linked Lascannon Predator.

Also the increase in AA effectiveness is marginal thanks to the reduction in S, going from ~20% to ~25% chance to penetrate an A12 flyer. I don't understand why they couldn't make the MissileSide have Skyfire and leave the regular Broadside alone.

However suits can now take 18" Melta guns, so armor might not be an issue anyways.

So, im a little disappointed in the broadrail nerf. Should either have glance or be S9 at least i think. Should be able to compete with a damn guardsmen on taking out Armor of any kind. I was also hoping for Stealths as troops! even if they stayed the same price. Oh well!

Im still looking forward to the release because Tau have needed it for quite some time now

Our conquest is inevitable......

"Boohoo, every single unit doesn't have S10!" Really guys? S10 should be rare, not spammable. Vehicles are screwed enough as it is.

 tvih wrote:
"Boohoo, every single unit doesn't have S10!" Really guys? S10 should be rare, not spammable. Vehicles are screwed enough as it is.

Heh... The Imperial Guard can bring 9 R48" S10 AP1, Blast(!), Armourbane(!!) guns to the table for mere 1395 points .

It's too early to say at this point.
Regardless of what others bring to the table, what this edition will do is bring change.
Remember the whining when Necrons were rumoured to be losing WBB and dropping to a 4+ save?
It was the end of the world (apparently)
Necrons are now a top tier codex.

Broadsides went from tank killing to air defence, Something that is in short supply in the current meta.
With the changes to overwatch, and the advantages that the Tau seem to be getting, they are a scary prospect for any assault based army.

From the rumours I'm hearing, Tau are going to be a scary prospect for any army to face.
Necron air force are in serious trouble now. Vendetta Spam is in trouble too.
Who knows what else the codex will bring.
There is one certainty though, on Saturday, we'll find out, and it won't be the end of the world.

 marv335 wrote:

Necron air force are in serious trouble now. Vendetta Spam is in trouble too.

Pfffff... These two are in a "serious trouble" since the CSM codex. As I can see, the only Flyer what has something to fear from the new AA Broadsides is the Heldrake, as it has no weapons to instagib the 'sides. And FMCs will have a bad time too for the same reason.

My interpretation of the White Dwarf battle report is that there are going to be lots of chances to upgrade units to have skyfire. This is just how I read it though.

 tvih wrote:
"Boohoo, every single unit doesn't have S10!" Really guys? S10 should be rare, not spammable. Vehicles are screwed enough as it is.

I would agree to that if our Heavy Support slot wasn't limited to being the only decent slot for taking out armor at range. When other armies can field triple t/l lascannon predators at a cheaper price than our single shot Hammerhead, the various Leman Russ and Land Raider variants, drop pod melta units on the cheap side, or just bringing heavy weapons in troop slots. Also the "re-purposing" to an AA unit was already discussed as being almost negligible due to the drop in S.

Or just be a dismissive jerk and think that all people are saying about the issue is crying. The day that infantry with lascannons are S7 Ap2, since S9 should be rare, I would understand the decision. Quite frankly I'm not too worried about it now that I know that Fusion blasters are up to 18" range and will probably spam melta suits in the off chance I see Land Raiders, since a single S10 shot is almost completely worthless against it.

Yeah I agree, with both. S10 should be more rare. But also that the Hammerhead is really the only big time armour killer. Not to say there arent others. But the only S10. Maybe the Broadside will still have an option for S10? It was a pretty damn good deal last time around, and I cant say id mind too much paying some extra points for it.

Im also certain that other tactics and such will be made mkre viable, which means that im sure within a weeks time kf tge books release, there will be an ultimate tank bane list where you can get to the rear armour with ease.

I'm thinking a bit more about the strike fighter, and i think it's going to be really good against ground targets. That turret is going to make it really easy to hit rear armor on stuff.

There's a lot of changes and not all of them good but it's early to tell yet. A lot of the changes are found here:
http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/04/tau-in-translation.html

The thing that I like about the new models is that they DEFINITELY fill a valuable role and seem to be good at their jobs.

Fire Warriors seem to have done nothing but benefit, Broadsides became a lot less necessary, but they are still worth taking. I dunno. As in all new codex's, you'll see a lot different builds than before. Not sure that's totally a bad thing.

Well, it looks like there will be much change in this edition for the Tau, judging by this wave of responses. I'm actually not discouraged by this at all. Hearing as to how much more useful infantry are in 6th edition, I'm really glad about my immense gunline of FWs. Thanks for all of this info, guys!