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caledoneus wrote: well, I am pro-life completely, but for all of my pro-choice brethern, i wonder what your veiws are on prostitution, euthanizing old people/sick people who want it and people's right to sell their body parts for cash.... Because if you are really pro-choice, then you can't say anything about any of those things.. they are choices as well after all.
Prostitution: should be legal and regulated. Require testing, regulate where it can be done, provide safeguards for both worker and client.
Euthanasia: should be legal and regulated. Write some laws about possibly having to show that you are mentally competent to make that decision and then help to ensure it is done right.
Sell body parts for cash: Again, would have to be very regulated to make sure that poor people are not taken advantage of.
Because abortion should be regulated so that it can be done safely, same as everything else.
Yeah, that's some good points as well forgot about testing for diseases and regulating euthanasia and body part sale.
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Peregrine wrote: None of the above: pro death. Babies are evil and should be killed.
caledoneus wrote: well, I am pro-life completely, but for all of my pro-choice brethern, i wonder what your veiws are on prostitution
Should be legal. Religious obsession with what other people do in their bedrooms should not overrule individual freedom to do what you want (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else). Is it the best job ever? Maybe not, but we're fine with having lots of other really horrible jobs (would you rather have sex for money, or scrub toilets?) and the worst of the abuse only happens because it's illegal (see prohibition-era crime and the modern war on drugs).
Yeah, I don't think prostitution should be encouraged as job or career but I don't think it should be stigmatized either.
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What are your views on allowing terminally ill people to take their own lives to end suffering?
What are your views on recreational drug use? Alcohol use?
What are your views on outlawing tattoos and piercings?
Those are all choices of people doing things to their body. So if you think that people shouldn't be able to do what they want, then why should they be able to do those?
caledoneus wrote: well, I am pro-life completely, but for all of my pro-choice brethern, i wonder what your veiws are on prostitution, euthanizing old people/sick people who want it and people's right to sell their body parts for cash.... Because if you are really pro-choice, then you can't say anything about any of those things.. they are choices as well after all.
Actually, it is possible to oppose legalising prostitution on "pro-choice" grounds. The ability to enter into a contract that obliges you to have sex conflicts with the Western belief that a person's right to refuse sex is absolute.
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Pro Choice (Especially euthanasia - my father died after a long illness with neurodegenerative disease and I always wish I could have helped relieve his suffering -believe me when i tell you that I if I get diagnosed with what he had then it will be a massive farewell party and then I will catch a bus to Switzerland!)
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Personally against, legally could care less.
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Pro choice.
If you don't like abortion, don't have one.
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I think each woman knows best how capable she is, or is not, of having and supporting a baby, and it's her private medical decision to make.
If you want the state to make choices about what freedoms you have that are founded in your religious background, I suggest you consider moving to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or one of the other countries full of people who feel just like you do.
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caledoneus wrote: well, I am pro-life completely, but for all of my pro-choice brethern, i wonder what your veiws are on prostitution, euthanizing old people/sick people who want it and people's right to sell their body parts for cash.... Because if you are really pro-choice, then you can't say anything about any of those things.. they are choices as well after all.
Prostitution only offset are not coerced by a pimp or something like that. Euthanasia if they are of sound mind after being examinedthorougly by a psychiatrist. And of course they can sell those parts if they wish. They are the ones loosing there
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I'm in that gray area where I'm not crazy about terminating a life (that hasn't proved that they deserve termination), but I can recognize that there are times when an abortion is an unfortunate necessity. Legal, but rare sums up my position on this pretty well. If the life in question is viable outside the womb, though, hell no. I consider that to actually be murder.
Part of my problem with pro-choice is that it's one person making a choice that directly affects three people, and those other two really get no say in it what so ever.
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djones520 wrote: Part of my problem with pro-choice is that it's one person making a choice that directly affects three people, and those other two really get no say in it what so ever.
Part of my problem with anti-abortion laws is that [number of politicians] are making a choice that directly affects [entire US population] and those [US population minus # of politicians] really get no say in it what so ever.
djones520 wrote: Part of my problem with pro-choice is that it's one person making a choice that directly affects three people, and those other two really get no say in it what so ever.
Part of my problem with anti-abortion laws is that [number of politicians] are making a choice that directly affects [entire US population] and those [US population minus # of politicians] really get no say in it what so ever.
Nonsense. Every law passed does that.
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Sometimes stuff happens that is beyond our control and as a result there needs to be a choice, there is already laws against just "getting rid" off baby's that are inconviniences.
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Sometimes stuff happens that is beyond our control and as a result there needs to be a choice, there is already laws against just "getting rid" off baby's that are inconviniences.
Maybe in the UK there are. In the US it's just another form of "birth control".
Choice. I don't care what somebody does or why. A fetus isn't a person, it isn't conscious of it's existence, it doesn't have a mind, it doesn't have any function. We're just a happening, a lump of chemicals. Why should I care.
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curran12 wrote: Abortion should not be a replacement for responsibility or thinking. It should not be, for lack of a better term, a cosmetic or conveinence thing.
Just out of curiosity, do you have any evidence that abortion is being mainly used to replace responsibility or thinking? That there is a trend of it being mainly cosmetic or for convenience?
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Despite what the extremists on both sides (of the poll, this thread, in real life) would have you believe, it's simply not a binary pro choice/life question for alot of people as there is alot more nuance to the discussion. I believe abortion should be legal under certain conditions that frankly change with modern science and medicine. If the fetus is viable, abortion shouldn't be allowed. Obviously, the definition of viability has changed significantly since the 1970s and always has had plenty of wiggle room (what % of surviving babies defines viability and at what age do you determine "survival"... what complications are acceptable under the umbrella of viability..etc).
Atheist, pro-choice. Don't like the, don't have them. Same as almost every issue like this- If you're against gay marriage, then so be it, but don't penalize others for their point of view.
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