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Fudge it, I've been running one unit of NobBikerz for a year and with Tau ignoring cover and the new Eldar Serpant Spam, I think I'll just run 2 units with a BikerBoss in each. 5++ with FNP, the gloves are off, no more Mr. Nice Ork!

Dakkamite wrote:

This is not great if you are running 2-3 battlewagons. Are you running just 1 wagon or several?

I ran four, and lost two of them on turn one. Didn't help that it took me three turns to make a single cover save across my whole army though. While I'm sure this is more a freak case of good luck for the other guy, I can't help but feel that Battlewagons are pure, unadulterated garbage after seeing it happen. Not that they ever seem to do any better in any other game though...

Edit; How many big monsters in that 25 model list? Because I'm a tad sick of hordes myself, hence why I've been going for Bikers

As a horde player myself (IG) I have grown callous of losing units. I have literally seen 5+ leman russ' killed in a single turn (he rolled something like ten 6's in a row) and I have seen ~100 guardsmen killed in a single shooting phase. I keep pushing forward with my plan and I don't let it get me down. Sometimes statistical outliers happen.

The list with 25 models is; Kairos, Lv3 Psyker Greater Daemon (GUO, Keeper of Sectrets, or Lord of Change), 3x Lv 3 Psyker Daemon Princes, then 2x10 plague bearers or pink horrors. There are some better variants of these lists with a few extra models here and there but ultimately the army should usually has less than ~50 models or so.

You get 2 exalted rewards for a grimoire and portaglyph (on objectives missions) and some greater rewards.

Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Firprisms are certainly not 'on the low end' of the HS choices, more in the middle. Ranking the HS choices, the only things that seem to be being played above them are Warwalkers(SO much use out of these), Wraithknights and Wraithlords. That leaves much more lower than it in the heirarchy.

It isn't really worth going into in this thread but you should check out some of the grand tournament write ups. A number of them used eldar components and few of them used fireprisms which do not have a many synergistic combos or board control abilities as the other options.

That list sounds pretty cool. Sure it can't work with Bloodletters, because I've got some of those though they do look pretty underwhelming sofar. Daemons are simply amazing, might just make the switch myself until the new dex comes out

Where do you find the GT write ups?

This is the Golden Throne Champ. Cool list, good player, and non spammy list at that.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/545243.page

Same player playing for fun. Interesting batrep though. Jy2 also plays a mechdar list which is also in a report below.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546311.page

Just to throw Reece in since you wanted to learn about eldar. Good player with a non spammy list. First one linked is a good daemons list.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543172.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/541257.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542453.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/540563.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/539630.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537699.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/536716.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/536920.page

Keep in mind when you watch these that there are 3 eldar players in all these that are really good players.

The daemon's dex is amazing. Honestly all the new dexs are good or better with multiple builds that can give even tournament lists a run. I am only interested in first most nurgle and to lesser degrees tzeentch and slaanesh. When it comes to khorne so I can't tell you anything as I have no interest in the models, fluff, or even rules. If you like khorne though I know that flesh hounds are one of the premier units. They are beasts (12" move) and scouts...one of the few units in the game that can get a turn 1 charge.

Out of curiosity what is the specs for the waveserpent weapon that ignores cover anyway? All i know is its S7 and ignores cover lol ive never faced newdar.

Also yeah zzaps are pointless. Almost doubles the cost of the kannon for AP2 and on average "meh" strength, and i usually want the kannons shooting at vehicles not termies so i'd prefer the guaranteed S8 hit lol

Strength 7, AP-, D6+1 shots, 60” range, Pinning

With a scatter laser and shuriken cannon the waveserpent shoots the following;
36" 4 S6 AP-, if one of these hits the other shots reroll misses
24" 3 S6 AP5, Blade Storm, ie. pseudo rending
60" D6+1 S7 AP-, Pinning

Against boyz that should be ~6 dead boyz a turn.

Cheers for those lists ansacs, ended up reading through that guys Golden Demon batreps. Game just looks so much more enjoyable when you've got armies that are actually good.

Didn't realize the Zapps needed to damage to get shaken. Back in the trash they go then.

If you cut them up, you can build awesome buzz-saws for your koptas when combining them with extra DCCWs

They make good icarus lascannon standins too

True Nice thing to know: The turret part of the ADL quadgun is exactly the same diameter as the battlewagon turret, so you can put the turret on the quadgun and vice versa. A battlewagon with two quadguns on top looks totally bad-ass by the way, I hope that somehow becomes playable some day

Battlewagon should definitely get some looted toys on it. Its the pride and joy of any Warboss worth his teeth why wouldnt he put some big guns on it? lol