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I like how people think that summoning will break the game. Yeah....you need 6 dice to get that off and your cchance of rolling doubles is near guranteed on 6 dice(Because you peril with any double) It is a superbly stupid risk

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i imagine in 7th they might allow it, since in 6th one of the dumbest rule loopholes on that thing was it was technically indestructible since it had no armor value or anything to gauge how strong it was.

For 75pts, its way too powerful. Even if all they do is make it collapsible but leave the rest, i'd be fine with it lol.

Skyshield is not in the new book.

I think we will find a upper limit of spamming psykers, and that too many will mean over half wont get to do anything, espically if you are going for multiple WC3 powers

Just going to point out that there is no real downside to casting possession with 6 dice or more.

Even if you fail you take a wound at most unless you roll a one and then fail a psychic powers test.

True that, but then you loose a psyker

Orkses are the only ones without divination =)

 koooaei wrote:
Orkses are the only ones without divination =)

Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, and the Dark Eldar say hi.

 Kain wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Orkses are the only ones without divination =)

Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, and the Dark Eldar say hi.

And everyone else saw that coming.

-Matt

The powers themselves are unlikely to break the game, as they are quite hard to cast and have a very high risk of perils. A normal Librarian isn't going to be able to get that much use out of it. However, there is potential for getting absurd numbers of warp charge, primarily by exploiting brotherhood of psyker units. The most depraved option that instantly comes to mind is the henchman mystic, which can be added to a useful combat squad for a pittance or even taken in unbound MSU along with 2 naked acolytes for less than 20 points a piece. Wyrdvane psykers would be ideal for casting as they can simply eat perils and still have plenty of cannonfodder to do it again next turn.

 Kain wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Orkses are the only ones without divination =)

Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, and the Dark Eldar say hi.

From the table. Crons, and DE don't have access to psychers at all and tyranids stick to their own table.

Tau got n psykers at all either, just tech-divination with markerlights

How have ML1 Prescience Psykers been nerfed?

What am I missing here?

Puscifer wrote:
How have ML1 Prescience Psykers been nerfed?

What am I missing here?

Its a lot harder to get the results you need from your casting dice. And if you peril he's either going to die, be turned into a support hq or he's going to become useless.

Leta take an ml 1 libby as an example in a 500 pts games. Power dice will be in short supply here and it's likely you won't have the advantage of dice numerically.

If you cast prescience you have a less than a 33% chance of it going off. If it doesn't your either going to have it fail, or your going to peril. If your peril, you have all but killed your hq.

And even if you do succed chances are your opponent will deny the witch are much higher now.

In games south of 1000 pts for sm and csm armies. Taking a Libby is no longer a "no brainer" it's now a serious gamble. It could give you a huge advantage. But the Libby is no longer an "I win" hq vs an sm army led by a chaplain or a captain.

I think in the future at least in local meta's your going to see moremchaplains and chapter masters take the field. Captains are still fethed but chaplains (especially interrogator da chaplains) are going to become a more tempting offer.

At games over a 1000 pts termie multi level libby's and more durable and powerful psykers will still be popular

 schadenfreude wrote:
Mark caps at 3+ until sanctuary gives it another +1 for a 2+

Problem is it's not the primaris, they need to get the random power, any doubles is a perils unless it's GK, and the mishap table is brutal. The sorcerer will probably be dead from perils on turn 2 or 3.

GK attempting the power on allies th/ss termies or crusader henchmen would eliminate the perils problem, but they still have to get the power and volume of fire still works.

Thats not how it works.


When it says mark caps at 3++ it means you can never use the mark's +1 bonus to achieve higher than 3++. So if you use the psychic power to gain +1, and you already have 3++ from mark, the marks bonus goes away and you still have 3++.

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to point out that there is no real downside to casting possession with 6 dice or more.

Even if you fail you take a wound at most unless you roll a one and then fail a psychic powers test.

I answered this Hollis in the news post. You peril before you resolve the power.

Correctly this should be "I'll answer this Hollis, you perils before you resolve the power's effect".

Not quite, but nice try.

Puscifer wrote:
How have ML1 Prescience Psykers been nerfed?

What am I missing here?

he will be getting 2-7 power dice a turn

If he uses 2 dice he has a very low chance of getting it off (25%), but a very very low chance of perils
If he is using 3 dice he has a fair chance of getting it off (50%) and still a low chance of perils
He needs to use 4 dice to have a good chance to getting it off. (68%) perils starts to become a problem
To approach the old Ld10 test to get it off, he would have to use 6+ dice. Perils would almost certainly be a problem.

and now it can be dispelled

Yep, 2 warp charge powers are now an issue.

And some lunatics think that 3 warp charge power spam are a viable strategy, as if THAT wont backfire quickly as hell.

Then again they also laughed when i said IH is a powerful tactics when the SM book just came out....so I don't trust the internet's opinion on strategy, tactics, list-building and balance that much.

^^ This is very true (i'm guessing your referring to flingitnow's post?).

Though I think eldar can do WC3 spam the best though, with eldrad to regen warp charges 1/3 of the time and ghost helms negate perils for the cost of a warp charge. Still not reliable but seems like an interesting idea.

Summoning won't break the game. Seems quite costly. Invisibility however is overpowered even at warp charge 2. Special lists will have enough psykers / charges to go 'invisibility fishing' and they'll be able to pull it off and wreck face

Super Newb wrote:
Summoning won't break the game. Seems quite costly. Invisibility however is overpowered even at warp charge 2. Special lists will have enough psykers / charges to go 'invisibility fishing' and they'll be able to pull it off and wreck face

Be'Lakor automatically has invisibility and he has a beastly statline.

Stopping him is going to be a fearsome challenge.

Just sling some weighed dice against his casting attempt.

Be'Lakor's beastly statline doesn't help him as much because of FMC nerfs

 schadenfreude wrote:
Be'Lakor's beastly statline doesn't help him as much because of FMC nerfs

On the other hand invisibility got seriously buffed to the point of making him essentially invulnerable.

A fair trade.

Does it say "he is only hit on 6s" or "only snap shots may be taken against him".

If the first, wow. If the second, not that bad.

 Arbiter wrote:
Does it say "he is only hit on 6s" or "only snap shots may be taken against him".

If the first, wow. If the second, not that bad.

I'll have to take a look again, but he's only hit on sixes in melee now.

Which means your chances of handling him in assault are "nope."




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Edit: Snap shots to shoot at him, only sixes to hit him in melee. He trivially defeats the likes of Abaddon and Skarbrand now.

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Well, skyfire works on him, and for CC hope for prescience or your screwed.

It basically seems like you just need to throw all your Dispel/DtW dice at Invis whenever someone (particularly Be'lakor) tries to cast it, and hope for enough sixes. You don't perils on DtW, so you could use your whole pool if you want. Grey Knights should, in theory, be able to shut down enemy psychic phases just by virtue of having 6+ dice thrown at every important enemy power.

Grey knights need a 5 plus because of their psychic ability, plus anyone witha hood can try nullify the power which could bring it up to a 4+ or more depending on the situation.

 Thariinye wrote:
It basically seems like you just need to throw all your Dispel/DtW dice at Invis whenever someone (particularly Be'lakor) tries to cast it, and hope for enough sixes. You don't perils on DtW, so you could use your whole pool if you want. Grey Knights should, in theory, be able to shut down enemy psychic phases just by virtue of having 6+ dice thrown at every important enemy power.

You have to dispel all the Warp Charge points earned on the psychic test, so... if the enemy has something like 4+ Warp Charge points on the test then it will be one hell of a job to dispel the power even with 20+ dispel dices.