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xttz wrote: It'll be interesting to see what GW do after Necrons. Keep in mind that from this month, every codex bar CSM is still under 2 years old. There's also the eternally-rumoured new fantasy edition, which these End Times books seem to be building up to. I think it's likely that we'll see more supplement and campaign-based releases than codexes in the next ~6 months. Voting none of the above...
Supplements and campaigns in 40k will not bring enough money.
Judging by the way initial stocks of Tyrannocytes ran out at 3rd-party retailers, I very much doubt Tyranid Apology Month was a failure for GW in terms of revenue. If we get more supplements and campaigns like that (as opposed to the book- or digital-only releases) I have no doubt they'll see success.
Raise your hand if you're excited for Plastic Greater Daemons versus Eldar Jetbikes: the Campaign!
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I would buy two of each greater daemon. Well, except for slaanesh, but that's because slaanesh sucks. (I would still probably buy one, though.)
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Either GW caught wind of TGG or they are actually going to care about Sisters very soon which is pretty unbelievable but so many are waiting and hoping! lol
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Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
Either GW caught wind of TGG or they are actually going to care about Sisters very soon which is pretty unbelievable but so many are waiting and hoping! lol
So many?
I guess that GW is thinking in the opposite direction. Too less customers for a big effort.
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Either GW caught wind of TGG or they are actually going to care about Sisters very soon which is pretty unbelievable but so many are waiting and hoping! lol
So many?
I guess that GW is thinking in the opposite direction. Too less customers for a big effort.
Stay Positive!
They did surprise us with the Digital "have a brand new Codex", where there was actually some thought and not only copy-paste......
But who knows... I think being positive is the only thing to be done.
Otherwise you start thinking maybe the fluff of those books is:
SisterSydney wrote: "And then every Sister of Battle everywhere in the galaxy died, because reasons. The end."
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
I hope they make some sort of supplement, so that AM doesn't die to alfa strikes or at least give AM a cheap transport with good resiliance that veterans could take.
This all being said, I wouldn't mind seeing the white scars, Ultramarines, raven guard, salamanders, and even black Templar supplements for my codex: space marines.
Though, I still need to paint all of my SM and Daemons that I have now, and my Empire, and my imperial Knights....
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Crazyterran wrote: This all being said, I wouldn't mind seeing the white scars, Ultramarines, raven guard, salamanders, and even black Templar supplements for my codex: space marines.
Though, I still need to paint all of my SM and Daemons that I have now, and my Empire, and my imperial Knights....
Well, GW will not pay too much attention to individual Marine chapters. See Black Templars.
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- Necron codex in January
- CSM codex with chapter tactics,
- Data slate for the wave serpent, or a tweak to the serpent shield
- FAQ for the Tau that says only one other unit can give supporting fire
- Sisters of Battle as a suppliment
- various other suppliments (4 to 6)
- 2 more campaign boxes (each of 2 or 3 parts and one boxed with models)
- New units for a variety of armies with data slates as pdf/white dwart (12 units or so)
- Necron codex in January
- CSM codex with chapter tactics,
- Data slate for the wave serpent, or a tweak to the serpent shield
- FAQ for the Tau that says only one other unit can give supporting fire
- Sisters of Battle as a suppliment
- various other suppliments (4 to 6)
- 2 more campaign boxes (each of 2 or 3 parts and one boxed with models)
- New units for a variety of armies with data slates as pdf/white dwart (12 units or so)
Tweaks for Eldar and Tau?
This is not how GW behaves.
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Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a "" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Isn't there a rumour some where that the next campaign would be Crimson Slaughter vs Dark Angels again?
Maybe late April or May? So I guess February will be about Necrons, (Late January leads into February) then mid/late February and March would be Fantasy? Maybe The Hobbit/LotR? (or would Sisters of Battles come out first before GW does anything for LotR besides December. )
So that could lead into April for a new campaign with CS vs DA.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
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Judging by the way initial stocks of Tyrannocytes ran out at 3rd-party retailers, I very much doubt Tyranid Apology Month was a failure for GW in terms of revenue. If we get more supplements and campaigns like that (as opposed to the book- or digital-only releases) I have no doubt they'll see success.
The number of people that got excited and wanted to start 'nids in november says a lot by itself...
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- Necron codex in January
- CSM codex with chapter tactics,
- Data slate for the wave serpent, or a tweak to the serpent shield
- FAQ for the Tau that says only one other unit can give supporting fire
- Sisters of Battle as a suppliment
- various other suppliments (4 to 6)
- 2 more campaign boxes (each of 2 or 3 parts and one boxed with models)
- New units for a variety of armies with data slates as pdf/white dwart (12 units or so)
Tweaks for Eldar and Tau?
This is not how GW behaves.
True - but with the new zoanthrope unit which is just better than what is in the codex, you could hope for a revised data slate that just tones down the waveserpent a little
I voted Sisters because I hope and pray that they will apear
Also they spent time, effort and money on them in the latest supplement - new artwork, loads of fluff, put them in scenarios, bigged up how cool they were, DIDNT kill them - the works and then no actual rules - its very confusing
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Hope you guys get that Sisters book that you've been pining for.
Not sure if I like this suppliment model tbh. I'm sure more of us buy the codex than have plumped for the niche suppliments that are out there. AND how do you keep up to date with all the different rules, dataslates, etc coming out without resorting to the interwebs for support?
I digress, but anyway hope the SoB get their time in the sun (sunshine is a sin), then Dark Angels and Chaos get a redoing. Even calming the Eldar might be good for those of you unable to handle them lately.
I have this odd gut feeling that if SoB get a campaign box GW will just take the cheap way out and just repack a bunch of metal SoB in the box. With how it has been it costs next to nothing for GW to keep SoB where they are. However with the new art in the Blood Angles vs Tyranids campaign dose give a little hope that GW might do something with SoB soon in between the other W40k and fantasy releases.
CSM are both the most likely and most profitable for everyone, both GW and the consumer. CSM needs a proper codex with legion rules, as otherwise the Horus Heresy still has better rules to represent the Chaos Space Marine Legions.
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I remember when the CSM Codex came out! It was so shiney and hard covered and new and revolutionary...everyone was saying how CSMs day in the sun had finally came, and how powerful the codex was.
Then we came out with one competitive list that lasted 6 months in the tournament scene.
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I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.
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BlaxicanX wrote: I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.
Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.
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GW's recent codices show that the company is going down on powercreep levels and the only three armies people are really having issues with are Eldar, Tau and Chaos Daemon summon lists.
CSM's most definitely do require an update...
The current codex has done a fine job of fixing the first major problem of the 4th edition clusterfeth, namely, giving Chaos back a wide range of unit choices.
Remember that due to GW wanting to bring Daemons into a full-on army right from the start, the CSM's lost IIRC14! units in total from their 3.5 codex to their 4th edition book. The 6th ed codex has fixed that first & most serious problem, by introducing a glut of 7 new characters & unit options, including old staples from the background material such as the Dark Apostle, Warpsmith & the basic rag-tag Cultists themselves.
The second problem that requires serious addressing however, is the lack of basic options across numerous units...
Those Loyalist scum have over the years received new squad-based upgrade options including the newest Grav-gun/pistol, Inferno pistol & Hand flamer for the BA's, and the Heavy flamer among others.
Chaos really needs a couple new options for their basic squaddies such as CSM's, Chosen & Havocs. Cultists could use a few added options as well.
Basically, they need some fleshing out!
And then of course, there's the utterly woeful state of the model range itself, which of the established lines, is the most in need of new replacement kits.
The biggest problem CSMs have is that they lack ATSKNF compared to the loyalists, but arent cheap enough to justify it. If they kept the current points cost but got armywide VOTLW, then we'd be talking. Also make the LR cheaper as POTMS should be worth more points, make god specific psychic powers more powerful and make mutilators worth taking.
But seriously, thats pretty much it. And the model range, yes. C:SM also has its problems like assault centurions and scout bikers and even regular assault marines being crap.
1. We don't need to be cheaper, just give Chaos Marines something to justify their cost. Right now the added Leadership & ability to gain PE: Space Marines is pretty good. Same deal with the likes of the Land Raider, we don't need a cheaper one, just our own unique equivalent to PotMS.
Our bread & butter units would also become a lot more attractive if they gained upgrade options such as the Heavy flamer. Same deal with the likes of the Dark Apostle - he'd be a staple honestly if he could simply take a bike or jump pack like his loyalist counterpart can!
2. Loyalists can go cry a god damn river over their so-called 'problem kits'. We have half our freaking model line still stuck as god-awful Finecrap hybrid kits, with only 2 serviceable plastic kits that give you access to all of a unit's actual options!
CSM's, Havocs & Termies are pathetic kits that are missing half or more of the actual options, and/or are utterly incapable of building any kind of viable unit from. Chosen are missing entirely, and the Cult troop kits are a joke.
I'm actually still annoyed that Noise Marines are not their own kit, or the Chaos Marine kit doesn't have the bits. Those 'upgrade sprues' are a joke. What is it, almost 20 bucks to make 4 Noise Marines, if even? On top of having to buy the bodies! As an Ork player who really wants to dive in and make a fluffy Slaanesh list...I can easily say I wont until they fix that sort of crap.
BlaxicanX wrote: I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.
BlaxicanX wrote: I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.
Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.
For the best of the game, the release schedule should IMO be something like:
1. Codex Eldar and Chaos Daemons: armies significantly over everyone else's power level
2. Codex CSM and DA: armies significantly under everyone else's power level
3. Codex Tau and SM: armies that are only slightly above average, although a FAQ/dataslate tweaking the Riptide and Centurions, grav-cannons and/or Tigurius respectively would pribably be enough to make most people happy with these codexes.
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Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.
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