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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.

Not really. GW is known for hitting things a little too hard with the nerfbat if they get wind of people complaining. See Vendettas. Or Grey Knights with halberds.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.

Not really. GW is known for hitting things a little too hard with the nerfbat if they get wind of people complaining. See Vendettas. Or Grey Knights with halberds.

I wouldn't hold my breath. It isn't a minor coicidence that the most broken rules are attributed to some of the most expensive kits.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.

Not really. GW is known for hitting things a little too hard with the nerfbat if they get wind of people complaining. See Vendettas. Or Grey Knights with halberds.

I wouldn't hold my breath. It isn't a minor coicidence that the most broken rules are attributed to some of the most expensive kits.

Just like its also not a coincidence that half of all of GW's new kits end up being garbage rules wise (DA flyer, Tau Flyer, Mutilators, Warp Talons, Tzeentch Daemon Chariot, Taurox, Scions, Ogryns, Gork/Morkanaughts, Void Bomber, Toxicrene/Malenceptor)

Plus some of the best units for some armies are really cheap (Scourges, Venoms, Nurglings, Annihilation/Command Barges,)

Really if you look at the whole picture and not just the data points that fit your beliefts, then its clear that GW just has no idea how to make balanced units.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.

Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.

Does releasing anything cause a loss in sales?

No, it doesn't.
But data slates will generally reach less customers than releasing a whole new codex.

On the other hand you can produce them en masse and spend less effort on it unlike codexes.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.

Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.

Does releasing anything cause a loss in sales?

No, it doesn't.
But data slates will generally reach less customers than releasing a whole new codex.

Not really. Dataslates don't really cost anything to produce and can be released way more often then a codex (which come out once every few years per army)

If anything Dataslates should increase revenue because since you can release it a new one every few months its gives players of an army something to buy every couple of months as opposed to waiting 4-5 years for the next new thing for their army.

What if GW's grand plan is to release meh codexes and awesome data slates? :O

Furthermore, dataslates make some less popular units appealing again. Enchancing sales for the cost of less blood compared to a ballanced codex which is a pain to create.

I sure hope it's Chaos Space Marines! Plus they need a serious Space Marine kit update, along with those sorry looking Chaos Terminators!

I want CSM, but SoB deserves it more.

And part of me don't want GW to f**k up CSM to a whole new level of "sausage tubes = chaos".

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.

Bizarely Falcons are more expensive than Cheese Serpents

Does anyone else want a buff to Heldrakes?

I'd just love a CSM update that would make Nurgle Warp Talons a thing. Say, a power that would let you turn a single ennemy unit (decided at deployment) into a deep strike relay? Fluffwise, it would fit with their "be a perfect tracker, find and kill anything with surprise" aspect.

Nuns. I want to believe.

 Talon of Anathrax wrote:
Does anyone else want a buff to Heldrakes?

I'd just love a CSM update that would make Nurgle Warp Talons a thing. Say, a power that would let you turn a single ennemy unit (decided at deployment) into a deep strike relay? Fluffwise, it would fit with their "be a perfect tracker, find and kill anything with surprise" aspect.

Didn't Helturkies just get a nerf? Don't encourage GW to mess with the emotions of CSM players.

The next codex after Necrons needs to be Sisters, although it most likely won't be. /cry

SJ

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Talon of Anathrax wrote:
Does anyone else want a "buff" to Heldrakes?

I'd just love a CSM update that would make Nurgle Warp Talons a thing. Say, a power that would let you turn a single ennemy unit (decided at deployment) into a deep strike relay? Fluffwise, it would fit with their "be a perfect tracker, find and kill anything with surprise" aspect.

Didn't Helturkies just get a nerf? Don't encourage GW to mess with the emotions of CSM players.

I know, but I do believe that GW will give us something like Hellstorm templates but AP 6, or regain the "shoot through my butt ability" but get overheat and Str5.
Or even make them as killy as before but have 12/11/10 or even 11/11/10 and a better vector strike.

I'd also love something like Chapter tactics, but for CSM legions and gods of Chaos!


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Or anything to buff Daemon Princes, really.
Better control over which powers they get, or maybe a cost decrease.
That would make me happy

Also nerf melee Nurgle Daemon Princes with Wings....2+ jink cover save is ridiculous.

Mostly what the Chaos codex needs is make Khorne worth taking and Nurgle not an auto-pick most of the times.

Generally it should be:

Khorne = best in cc
Tzeentch = best at psychic powers
Nurgle = best at taking punishment and buffing/debuffing stats (nurgle rot)
Slaanesh = best allrounder, i.e. good at buffing/debuffing morale, ranged warfare (sonic weaponry) and close combat in terms of higher initiative and higher WS than khorne.

The problem is that that 2+ jink is the only thing keeping princes playable. With out it they either have to fly (and don't do any damage because they don't get good shooting/witchfire too warrant 300+ pts) or they stand on the ground to assault something and die instantly.

In a sane world I would say SOB or CSM.

But ladies and gentlemen this is not a sane world.

So we shall get SM or Tau.

Once a week for the last month, I've been emailing GW from my 3 different emails saying that Sisters of Battle would sell like hotcakes if they were made plastic and sold in squads (at least marine sized) at IG prices, with a real codex.

You guys should do the same. Lets get this codex ball rolling!


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I tell them that I have 11 different armies (I do) of at least 2500pts each, except for sisters who are only 600pts, and I'm desperate for more, but plastic

I voted Sisters even though I doubt they are coming with any sort of model update. I don't even care if that was against the rules. They need to come out wit something.

If they did I would grab two squads two transports and a full Squad of Seraphim just because I think they are cool. It would be a fun ally for my stromtrooper assassin list.

U guys are all wrong The next codex after Crons is gonna be Harlequins.

Maybe I should have voted for a Purple Stealthy Ork codex

 Pyeatt wrote:
Maybe I should have voted for a Purple Stealthy Ork codex

The best codex.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.

Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.

I don't know about that. If they can nail it they could capitalize on it like some other companies do (like PP). Release new models, release new rules and update the codexes every so often with all the other stuff that was released, some rules tweaking and maybe some mroe new stuff then too. Sure the releases would be smaller at any given time, but the armies would be consistently updated so they'd be more constantly monetized.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, I don't see GW making any changes whatsoever to Tau or Eldar. Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, and Riptides are expensive models and if broken rules make it so those items sell a ton, then there is ZERO incentive for GW to scale back the rules on them. Same goes for Cents and a few other big ticket items that just so happen to have good rules. Pay to win is here to stay in the whole "collector's hobby" that GW sees this game as.

Bizarely Falcons are more expensive than Cheese Serpents

Yeah, I never get that. Nor do I get why Falcons aren't DTs.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.

Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.

I don't know about that. If they can nail it they could capitalize on it like some other companies do (like PP). Release new models, release new rules and update the codexes every so often with all the other stuff that was released, some rules tweaking and maybe some mroe new stuff then too. Sure the releases would be smaller at any given time, but the armies would be consistently updated so they'd be more constantly monetized.

If I had to make a guess, thats GW's long term plan. I imagine popular armies with obvious identified tatical holes are likely gonna be next.

Grey Knights seem an obvious army to get some goodies in the future.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think once all the codices have 6th/7th edition versions, what we'll see is just a massive influx of dataslates/supplements and one-off "new model with rules in the box" specials for the next few years.

Really?
Which could mean less sales revenue from 40k.

I don't know about that. If they can nail it they could capitalize on it like some other companies do (like PP). Release new models, release new rules and update the codexes every so often with all the other stuff that was released, some rules tweaking and maybe some mroe new stuff then too. Sure the releases would be smaller at any given time, but the armies would be consistently updated so they'd be more constantly monetized.

If I had to make a guess, thats GW's long term plan. I imagine popular armies with obvious identified tatical holes are likely gonna be next.

Grey Knights seem an obvious army to get some goodies in the future.

It's not a bad strategy if they nail it and I'd honestly support it. Plus it'd be a great way to actually monetize the WD by putting a copy of the rules in it for people who want the rules for their old units without buying the new boxes just for rules.

I mean free rules would work best if they went the open beta approach FW takes with some units (which is what I really want because then the codex would take all those units, refine them based on player feedback and make them better for the game overall), but I don't know if they're going to go that far.

 Pyeatt wrote:
Maybe I should have voted for a Purple Stealthy Ork codex

It already exists!
It's right there on the shelf, next to Codex Marbo and Codex Alpha Legion.
Can you see them? Nope?
Exactly

The Harlequins codex already exists, but because of eldar trickery, it's only available in Iceland, and only to 59 year old mosquitos (with a missing wing).

I believe we will be seeing a new space marine codex as at the top of the blood angel codex it says codex adeptus astartes and i think we will
Recieve what we did with the guard a rename. I could be wrong though as it could be nids purly by new realleases

I would LOVE a SoB hardback book, and a few releases, even if I did just throw $500 at the so-so models which already exist. It would drive me nuts if a beautiful multi-pose kit came out, and considering HALF of their Codex could be built out of a single kit of that sort, I see it being a reasonable possibility.

To the individuals who claim that they've never seen SoB players so assume it is a low priority... I see it as a vicious cycle. Players don't play SoB because they're oppressively priced, gakky, models which can often be hard to come by. In turn, players/GW see this as "SoB don't sell". Rinse, repeat.

I think this could do well for them. It would only need a few plastic kits, as I said, and could damn near be branded as a whole new army to many players. :-p