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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The next codex after Necrons needs to be Sisters, although it most likely won't be. /cry

SJ

TBH as much as I want to see SoB come out with a HB codex and new plastic kits, if they came out after Necrons I would find it extremely hillarious. Cause ya know...Sanctuary 101, the events in Hammer & Anvil it would be like....

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I would LOVE a SoB hardback book, and a few releases, even if I did just throw $500 at the so-so models which already exist. It would drive me nuts if a beautiful multi-pose kit came out, and considering HALF of their Codex could be built out of a single kit of that sort, I see it being a reasonable possibility.

To the individuals who claim that they've never seen SoB players so assume it is a low priority... I see it as a vicious cycle. Players don't play SoB because they're oppressively priced, gakky, models which can often be hard to come by. In turn, players/GW see this as "SoB don't sell". Rinse, repeat.

I think this could do well for them. It would only need a few plastic kits, as I said, and could damn near be branded as a whole new army to many players. :-p

I don't think it's as much as "SoB don't sell" but more of that SoB are an extremely low cost high profit margin army because GW is doing the bare minimum to keep SoB relevent. The best example is the SoB digital only codex where they completely cut out the cost of printing, storage and shipping physical copies of the codex. While it may not sell a lot the profit margin on each sale is huge.

The new marine codex will probly be called Astra Retardicus... Did I mention I'm not a fan of the IG/AM name change

 Pyeatt wrote:
The new marine codex will probly be called Astra Retardicus... Did I mention I'm not a fan of the IG/AM name change

lol, I'd buy that book.

Its either space marines or orks. Both armys are getting alot of attention from my club and they always get one of the first new codexes.

Orks... I feel like they just got a new codex.

 Pyeatt wrote:
The new marine codex will probly be called Astra Retardicus... Did I mention I'm not a fan of the IG/AM name change

Yeah the name change from IG to AM seemed rather pointless imo. There was no need to make the name change for the IG and that's why i will never call the IG AM the IG will always be the IG. Though the name change of SoB to AS is kinda moot as even in the books both terms reference the same thing and are interchangeable, though its nice to have SoB at the top of the army list in the GW store with the AS name.

 fox-light713 wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
The new marine codex will probly be called Astra Retardicus... Did I mention I'm not a fan of the IG/AM name change

Yeah the name change from IG to AM seemed rather pointless imo. There was no need to make the name change for the IG and that's why i will never call the IG AM the IG will always be the IG. Though the name change of SoB to AS is kinda moot as even in the books both terms reference the same thing and are interchangeable, though its nice to have SoB at the top of the army list in the GW store with the AS name.

I think they changed it because they did not want any lawsuits with starwars/Disney (owns the rights). Disney has been known to file lawsuits against almost anyone with no remorse. That's just a small speculation.

I don't think it's as much as "SoB don't sell" but more of that SoB are an extremely low cost high profit margin army because GW is doing the bare minimum to keep SoB relevent. The best example is the SoB digital only codex where they completely cut out the cost of printing, storage and shipping physical copies of the codex. While it may not sell a lot the profit margin on each sale is huge.

yeah but bizarely commisisoned quite a bit of new artwork and dedicated a substantial part of the recent campaign pack to them..............in both books - and bigged up how awesome they are..

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
This all being said, I wouldn't mind seeing the white scars, Ultramarines, raven guard, salamanders, and even black Templar supplements for my codex: space marines.

Though, I still need to paint all of my SM and Daemons that I have now, and my Empire, and my imperial Knights....

Well, GW will not pay too much attention to individual Marine chapters. See Black Templars.

they did the imperial fists and iron hand supplements.

 Mr Morden wrote:

I don't think it's as much as "SoB don't sell" but more of that SoB are an extremely low cost high profit margin army because GW is doing the bare minimum to keep SoB relevent. The best example is the SoB digital only codex where they completely cut out the cost of printing, storage and shipping physical copies of the codex. While it may not sell a lot the profit margin on each sale is huge.

yeah but bizarely commisisoned quite a bit of new artwork and dedicated a substantial part of the recent campaign pack to them..............in both books - and bigged up how awesome they are..

But failed to give them any new rules, FOCs, or even mission specific rules. They also wasted the "Defenders of the Sanctorum" name by giving it to Flesh Tearers (don't get me wrong, FTs are a great chapter, but the name was just screaming "Sisters" and they missed their chance on it) for a formation.

It's like everyone on the design team except the folks doing the rules where down for getting Sisters in there and looking cool.

Dark angels will be next or sob, sisters are currently the oldest codex they be rocking a 5.5 edition dex. The dark angels seem poised to get a supplement soon as its the dumbest thing that of the two armies gw markets for beginners (csm and da) the chaos marines have two supplements, datasheets galore, and a shiny New ia book while dark angels have two sheets to their name and an ia book many seasons old.

This is further messed up when you consider that of the New players who do get into dv well over half sign on to team dark Angel. Its a pile of untapped wallets waiting to be sucked dry. And imo their going to fix that right proper.

It should be Dark Angels, the current codex is poor and offers nothing when against the Blood Angels or Vanilla codex.

The Tau have been nerfed slightly with lack of psychic powers in a slightly psychic edition. And if the most unbalanced force can get a new codex (bore-crons) then why not Tau.

A newer, bigger Inquisition codex.
Including all Inquisition, Assassins, Inquisitorial stormtroopers (Militarum tempestus), Imperial Auxiliaries (like some AdMech Skitarii, or a Knight)...

That would make good allies for anyone, and sell very well if it came with new models / fluff buildup or something.

 ionusx wrote:
Dark angels will be next or sob, sisters are currently the oldest codex they be rocking a 5.5 edition dex.

Okay, a honest question: Many consider the 6th ed SoB codex not a "proper/valid/legal codex" simply because it is digital-only and not available as a physical book. Why do they take this stance?

Because it removed models and added nothing new. Rule tweaks, nerfs and the whole thing is improperly points costed (outside of the Exorcist) and they needed AoF to a one use per game system while other armies get to use orders, chapter tactics and psychic powers all they want.

Basically it's not a good update, and with it never seeing print doesn't feel like a real update to the army.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Because it removed models and added nothing new. Rule tweaks, nerfs and the whole thing is improperly points costed (outside of the Exorcist) and they needed AoF to a one use per game system while other armies get to use orders, chapter tactics and psychic powers all they want.

Basically it's not a good update, and with it never seeing print doesn't feel like a real update to the army.

Personally I would not go that far - I enjoyed the new Codex quite a bit more than what we had from the WD one - the Dominions are pretty awesome now and I like the AOF - now should there have been more - yes yes indeed! The Cannoness should be costed properley for one!

In print is essential really however

I admit I've grown very critical of the codex in recent months but that's because the gold paint started to peel for me and it's become a lot less fun. I mean I have had no real changes to my army comp since C:WH. Not because I had to change but because there were valid options to change to.

The army is so monobuild that every Sisters army list is pretty much identical because nothing else works. The only differences come if you have access to FW where you play and use flyers, or use them in a less than optimized allies list.

Yes, the Sororitas are by far the least diverse army -- only two choices in most FOC slots. I homebrewed 30 new units to help with that problem and GW could make half of them with existing kits plus new bits. I wish they would...

Part of me is hoping that the next one is CSM, which would make some sense as that dex would be the oldest after Necrons are released - no, SoB don't count so save your bandwidth hipster. Another part of me doesn't want them to dilute the faction further than they already have.

It'll be interesting to see if GW moves right back into updating books like CSM and begins to invalidate and replace their new, expensive hardback books. Before, there was the excuse of moving away from softback, but now I can't se what reason there would possibly be that an errata couldn't address.

MarsNZ wrote:
Part of me is hoping that the next one is CSM, which would make some sense as that dex would be the oldest after Necrons are released - no, SoB don't count so save your bandwidth hipster. Another part of me doesn't want them to dilute the faction further than they already have.

Playing Sisters doesn't make us hipsters. Being a hipster makes you a hipster. Also thanks for wasting our bandwidth with that nonsense.

And yes, CSM have the second oldest codex, but Sisters are still 3rd Ed metal models. So "oldest" is relative there.


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 Accolade wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if GW moves right back into updating books like CSM and begins to invalidate and replace their new, expensive hardback books. Before, there was the excuse of moving away from softback, but now I can't se what reason there would possibly be that an errata couldn't address.

CSM are a "new, expensive hardback book". Necrons are the last soft cover book now.

Right, I get that. I just wonder if they'll leave the books as they are for a time and do campaign boxes for a while, or go right back to replacing hardbacks.

I personally can't see any valid reason beyond some rule tweaking being required for a number of codexes, or are people really pumped to see a new cycle of $50 books that have the highest level of recycled material to date?

I imagine we're more likely to see "supplemental" material like Shield your Baals. The player base seems to have taken to these, and they can churn out quite a few of them. Pick "X" Chapter of Spess Mahreens, and put them against "Y" bad guy. Sprinkle in supporting Imperial forces.

They can sell these things for years. Basically like lower quality Forgeworld IAs.

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 fox-light713 wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
The new marine codex will probly be called Astra Retardicus... Did I mention I'm not a fan of the IG/AM name change

Yeah the name change from IG to AM seemed rather pointless imo. There was no need to make the name change for the IG and that's why i will never call the IG AM the IG will always be the IG. Though the name change of SoB to AS is kinda moot as even in the books both terms reference the same thing and are interchangeable, though its nice to have SoB at the top of the army list in the GW store with the AS name.

I think they changed it because they did not want any lawsuits with starwars/Disney (owns the rights). Disney has been known to file lawsuits against almost anyone with no remorse. That's just a small speculation.

How so? Well Star Wars has the Imperials and at most could have some storm troopers that are Imperial Guard / royal guard. Star wars is has the "galactic empire" where as in 40k it is the 'Imperium of Man'.

Or like how GW tried to coin the phrase 'Space Marine' they may not have been able to get a lock down on 'Imperial Guard'.

I mostly don't like it because I don't recall seeing / reading the IG referred to as the AM in any previous books. Where as Space Marines / Adeptus Astartes and Sisters of Battle / Adepta Sororitas have been interchangeable names for them in the books for quite a while. Though that doesn't mean that GW can't add interchangeable names for other IoM factions as well because we already have several 'general' and in fiction high gothic names for specific IoM departments. For example Assasins.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I imagine we're more likely to see "supplemental" material like Shield your Baals. The player base seems to have taken to these, and they can churn out quite a few of them. Pick "X" Chapter of Spess Mahreens, and put them against "Y" bad guy. Sprinkle in supporting Imperial forces.

They can sell these things for years. Basically like lower quality Forgeworld IAs.

This is something I'm perfectly fine with. It doesn't shake up the army books simply to invalidate lists while still allowing forward movement on 40k products (aka to give the feeling the game is still evolving).

I take the fact that Sisters did not get a single formation or detachment in Shield of Baal to be a very bad sign for SoB. Even Exterminatus comes with a Necron formation.

I dont understand why people are complaining about wanting a new Dark Angels codex...you guys forked over £30 into GW's grubby hands just less than 30 months ago for a full color hardback and now you want to pay another £30 for another hardback? Where is the guarantee GW will make everything cheaper?

If the campaign is gonna be this summer, I'm guessing the DA codex wont be out till August or September 2015, which would make more sense as that would put the time period close to 3 years.

In any case, the fact that DA can play 3 different army styles - full on terminators, bikes or standard marines means the opponent can never fully prepare for which type of DA army he will be facing. And then you have Deathwing Land Raiders, Dakka banners, the ability to mix-match ranged and CC weapons in terminator squads, Deathwing Assault, twin-link on deepstrike, powerfield libbys...DA are hardly a codex that needs fixing except for the flyers.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I take the fact that Sisters did not get a single formation or detachment in Shield of Baal to be a very bad sign for SoB. Even Exterminatus comes with a Necron formation.

On the flip side we got new art and new fluff. It's kind of a mixed bag. I kind of think there is work being done on the Sisters, but it looks like it might not be rules based (yet).

The wish list for renewing of codices is long here.
The question however is what the policy of GW will be when the Necron codex has been released.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I dont understand why people are complaining about wanting a new Dark Angels codex...you guys forked over £30 into GW's grubby hands just less than 30 months ago for a full color hardback and now you want to pay another £30 for another hardback? Where is the guarantee GW will make everything cheaper?

If the campaign is gonna be this summer, I'm guessing the DA codex wont be out till August or September 2015, which would make more sense as that would put the time period close to 3 years.

In any case, the fact that DA can play 3 different army styles - full on terminators, bikes or standard marines means the opponent can never fully prepare for which type of DA army he will be facing. And then you have Deathwing Land Raiders, Dakka banners, the ability to mix-match ranged and CC weapons in terminator squads, Deathwing Assault, twin-link on deepstrike, powerfield libbys...DA are hardly a codex that needs fixing except for the flyers.

I think 3 years would be just fine. I would have no problem buying a new codex for my faction every 3 years.

But, I agree with you: there are factions that need love more than Dark Angels. (Sisters HINT HINT HINT)


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 Accolade wrote:
Right, I get that. I just wonder if they'll leave the books as they are for a time and do campaign boxes for a while, or go right back to replacing hardbacks.

I personally can't see any valid reason beyond some rule tweaking being required for a number of codexes, or are people really pumped to see a new cycle of $50 books that have the highest level of recycled material to date?

People are really pumped for a $50 book if it gives them an advantage over their old $50 book. If so, GW listens to their customers. Otherwise, GW is just greedy and wants to screw us.