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 Sir Arun wrote:
I dont understand why people are complaining about wanting a new Dark Angels codex...you guys forked over £30 into GW's grubby hands just less than 30 months ago for a full color hardback and now you want to pay another £30 for another hardback? Where is the guarantee GW will make everything cheaper?

If the campaign is gonna be this summer, I'm guessing the DA codex wont be out till August or September 2015, which would make more sense as that would put the time period close to 3 years.

In any case, the fact that DA can play 3 different army styles - full on terminators, bikes or standard marines means the opponent can never fully prepare for which type of DA army he will be facing. And then you have Deathwing Land Raiders, Dakka banners, the ability to mix-match ranged and CC weapons in terminator squads, Deathwing Assault, twin-link on deepstrike, powerfield libbys...DA are hardly a codex that needs fixing except for the flyers.

The only lists that really succeed with DA are either full bikes or DA plus allies. DA DW and Greenwing really struggle on their own, and honestly, with the amount of AP2 running around, Terminators and Tac marines die about the same.

You know what's funny? I played a few games with my GK allied with the wife's SoB this weekend, and it REALLY felt like combined, the two made for a hell of a Codex. :-p

Both cases individually feel half-cooked and completely, 100% mono-build... but together, I feel like there is a lot more to play with. :-p

MarsNZ wrote:
no, SoB don't count so save your bandwidth hipster.

U mad bro?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
no, SoB don't count so save your bandwidth hipster.

U mad bro?

Two terrible internet cliches don't make a right, guys.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
no, SoB don't count so save your bandwidth hipster.

U mad bro?

Two terrible internet cliches don't make a right, guys.

But do they make a left?

I do not vote CSM, they deserve to be left out for the next 2 editions. EACH time they release the codex, it gets 1 supper unit to make them worthy of playing but then the next edition comes along, and an errata beats that unit with a nerf bat in the face like the printer in Office Space.




I do not want to experience that again. I have been playing CSM exclusively for 6 years and time has not been so kind to them. But that is what you expect and that is what they deserve.

If they release a new CSM codex, they better subtitle it

Chaos Space Marines: Army of Failbaddon.

Vanilla Space Marines are next, because their codex is from 6th ed, and SM *always* get a codex with the new edition.

squidhills wrote:
Vanilla Space Marines are next, because their codex is from 6th ed, and SM *always* get a codex with the new edition.

So do Tyranids. Updates aren't always a good thing.

And Marines were more in the middle of 6th so I kind of expect them more of the middle of 7th. It'll give the devs more time to actually make some new stuff for them too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

squidhills wrote:
Vanilla Space Marines are next, because their codex is from 6th ed, and SM *always* get a codex with the new edition.

So do Tyranids. Updates aren't always a good thing.

And Marines were more in the middle of 6th so I kind of expect them more of the middle of 7th. It'll give the devs more time to actually make some new stuff for them too.

Loyalist don't need or deserve any more new units. Better off spending a possible 7th ed codex release updating the aging parts of their lines such as a new kit for the likes of Assault Marines, Scouts & a Razorback re-cut that includes all the turret options.

Of course, CSM's deserve about 5x the attention right now, since only Sisters can complain louder about having a worse model line than the poor Chaos Marines.

squidhills wrote:
Vanilla Space Marines are next, because their codex is from 6th ed, and SM *always* get a codex with the new edition.

That is true, but they are not first anymore. I was actually surprised how long it took for the SM codex to be released for 6th edition.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

squidhills wrote:
Vanilla Space Marines are next, because their codex is from 6th ed, and SM *always* get a codex with the new edition.

So do Tyranids. Updates aren't always a good thing.

And Marines were more in the middle of 6th so I kind of expect them more of the middle of 7th. It'll give the devs more time to actually make some new stuff for them too.

Loyalist don't need or deserve any more new units. Better off spending a possible 7th ed codex release updating the aging parts of their lines such as a new kit for the likes of Assault Marines, Scouts & a Razorback re-cut that includes all the turret options.

Of course, CSM's deserve about 5x the attention right now, since only Sisters can complain louder about having a worse model line than the poor Chaos Marines.

That's because if the CSM players complain the Sisters players can just drop their army on top of the CSM's fragile plastic models.

Army Special Rule: Maid of Iron
Once per turn in the Shooting phase, any unit with the Act of Faith special rule may take a Leadership Test to make a Maid of Iron attack.
If the test is failed, the unit may not use this special rule for the rest of the game.
If the test is successful, select any of that unit's models and lift it 36" above any point on the table, then let go.
Any models knocked over or physically damaged by the dropped model automatically lose 1 Wound or 1 Hull Point, as appropriate.
The dropped model takes a single S:10 hit. If she survives, she gets up and continues fighting wherever she landed, because Sisters kick your heretical arse.

Maid of Iron? Did you meant Iron Maiden ?

I stand by my previous statements that Sisters aren't just a work out to carry around, but the only army that doubles as a defensive weapon if you're mugged.

If I was a betting man and given the very different feel and format of the 7th ed codeces I fully expect to see what we have now, namely main codeces interspersed with off-the-wall supplements. I would expect after necrons to see a new supplement, maybe Harlequins but I can't understand how they would be fleshed into an army. They are a cc dedicated force with no transport as they stand which would simply get pie-plated into pieces. They would need major, major additions to be viable. However, with harlequins being missed out of the DE codex I guess that's a pretty clear tip.

I sincerely doubt we'll see most of the rumoured releases. Deathwatch can be done using standard SM, SoB need a full DE style range reboot with multiple kits. I would be surprised to see that given the current limited releases done in a few weeks and move on. They'd need months of attention.

I would be more expecting to see limited edition battle boxes like the last couple, I think GW have decided that limited edition means the boxes fly off the shelves as people buy one to use and one to flog on EBay in 5 years at triple the price, like LEGO. I also think we'll see more in the line of offshoots of codeces, side forces which have been missed out or neglected but could be the basis of interesting ally formations, e.g. speed freakz, Kroot, etc. Harlequins could be in that line but would require some work like access to venoms/wave serpents.

Ad Mec is an interesting rumour. With the codeces done if you're happy with a mix of 6th and 7th a new faction might look promising. I'm sure they'd sell but SoB players would probably storm GW HQ if they got left out for a new faction!

Bell of Lost Souls claims a Harlequin mini-'Dex is next; I'm predicting they'll come with Harlequin Jetbikes (don't laugh, Google Image search the old ones and then laugh) and Venoms.

I voted INQ but I'd like to see sisters done next.

As a compromise I'd like a hardcover book called forces of the man that included SOB, Inq, and assassins.

As a Sisters fanatic, I don't actually see a need for a new 'dex until we get new models. As Isengard said, they need a full reboot with multiple new kits. Until that happens, given GW's policy of "we don't publish rules for models we don't sell," a new 'dex is pretty pointless. Our current 'dex is fine for the models we've got, it's just that the models we got ain't enough.

I'd actually love to see Adeptus Mechanicus brought out of 30K and issued as an official GW codex with (gasp) vaguely affordable models. The AM is a huge part of the setting that -- with the significant exception of Titans -- has gotten even less love on the tabletop than Sisters.

And I see how a Harlequins mini-dex (a la Inquisiton) could be awesome. Your entire detachment is immortal Heath Ledgers and Harley Quinns!

 SisterSydney wrote:
As a Sisters fanatic, I don't actually see a need for a new 'dex until we get new models. As Isengard said, they need a full reboot with multiple new kits. Until that happens, given GW's policy of "we don't publish rules for models we don't sell," a new 'dex is pretty pointless. Our current 'dex is fine for the models we've got, it's just that the models we got ain't enough.

I'd actually love to see Adeptus Mechanicus brought out of 30K and issued as an official GW codex with (gasp) vaguely affordable models. The AM is a huge part of the setting that -- with the significant exception of Titans -- has gotten even less love on the tabletop than Sisters.

And I see how a Harlequins mini-dex (a la Inquisiton) could be awesome. Your entire detachment is immortal Heath Ledgers and Harley Quinns!

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/12/new-faction-information-skitarii.html GW is already 1 step ahead of ya. Though as always take lots of salt with any rumor.

I have my doubts about Ad Mech. But if they actually exist and are decent I might pick up some models.

I have serious doubts about Ad mech and Harlequins, although I can see possibilities for both (and I would buy ad mech in a heartbeat.).

A great deal of this is the source...both of the places I saw those rumors initially aren't super reliable.

As for the whole IG naming thing..that's all IP stuff. Nobody wants a conflict with disney. If you look at some of the stuff for Imperial Knights out there, they've got a different name out there as well. I'm sure the next codex for Knights (not that it is much of one, oh forgeworld...why do you tempt us so with your models and different rules) it'll have a different name as well.

SOB and 'nids were the first two codices to get hit with the chapterhouse lawsuit nerf bat. No more units that don't have a model in the codex for anybody. Off they go. Quick rush to 7th edition rules for 40k and names for terrain that was otherwise called things like "woods". Specific names and pictures.

From what I hear DA are usually at the beginning of a rules release, so they end up being the test subject for "we think this is going to be a new and cool awesome thing..a few months later in the meta...well crud, turns out it really blows, sorry"

GW seems to have issues talking to sections of itself sometimes. I watched a miniwargaming video a while back on the toxicrene, and they commented how GW states that they're a mini company first and then a gaming company. The toxicrene is a great looking model. The tentacles get in the way of EVERYTHING when you play, also storing the thing.

Also, they're a Brit company and they really don't get sometimes how the rest of the world thinks about these things. (marketing..maybe we should release the white dwarf preview the week before the ing pre-order?. No, wait, we don't market at all.)

The local store I play at is primarily a chaos store...and we have a local SOB player, so I hear about the complaints of both.

The general consensus I get for Chaos is that either they should be able to get all the benefits that the imperium gets (drop pods, all the vehicles the imperium can use, chapter tactics, etc, or go straight back to 30k and that's what chaos has...contemptor dreadnoughts and the like).

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
I said Sisters based on the teaser video for Shield of Baal: Deathstorm but that's mostly because one can only hope.

you know what? I just went and watched the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZh-g2Vo08 if you're playing at home) and not once does GW show any Sisters. sure they show the Art work but not a single model which is just rude considering they show every other model from the campaign.

 Schlyne wrote:

From what I hear DA are usually at the beginning of a rules release, so they end up being the test subject for "we think this is going to be a new and cool awesome thing..a few months later in the meta...well crud, turns out it really blows, sorry"

GW seems to have issues talking to sections of itself sometimes. I watched a miniwargaming video a while back on the toxicrene, and they commented how GW states that they're a mini company first and then a gaming company. The toxicrene is a great looking model. The tentacles get in the way of EVERYTHING when you play, also storing the thing.

This is my general feelings on both. I hope DA turns out good, and not a pile of gak. The new BA codex gives me some hope, so we'll have to wait and see.

Well, DA don't need a codex.
DA is not top tier, not even close, but the army is playable.
What changes would you expect for them?
GW might take away the power field generator.

 Schlyne wrote:


SOB and 'nids were the first two codices to get hit with the chapterhouse lawsuit nerf bat.

How were the SoB affected by the Chapterhouse lawsuit?

 DanielBeaver wrote:
SOB are the most likely of this list. Beyond that - who knows. GW is very inconsistent about which codexes they update, so I wouldn't expect CSM or Dark Angels to get updated just because they're old (and it's clear that they don't care about balance issues).

Except that lately they've been redoing old codexes in order.

And they've released a Tyranid special to re balance them halfway to their next codex.

I vote for CSM, it's a really bad book and I find it more relevant than DA or SOB who are just another flavor of the same old marines.


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 fox-light713 wrote:

I mostly don't like it because I don't recall seeing / reading the IG referred to as the AM in any previous books.

Don't worry, in two years this will be the past, too.

morgoth wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:
SOB are the most likely of this list. Beyond that - who knows. GW is very inconsistent about which codexes they update, so I wouldn't expect CSM or Dark Angels to get updated just because they're old (and it's clear that they don't care about balance issues).

I vote for CSM, it's a really bad book and I find it more relevant than DA or SOB who are just another flavor of the same old marines.

I would contend that Sororitas are far more different from Marines than most Chaos marines are: stat lines, vehicles, troop types, SC's, special rules including Acts of Faith - the only thing that is the same is the armour, and basic weapons.

 fox-light713 wrote:

 Schlyne wrote:


SOB and 'nids were the first two codices to get hit with the chapterhouse lawsuit nerf bat.

How were the SoB affected by the Chapterhouse lawsuit?

I really can't think of anything in that Sisters related. Save for some models on one site I've just seen in 2014 I don't know anyone who really does a Sisters clone. I guess they don't see any money in it right now.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 fox-light713 wrote:

 Schlyne wrote:


SOB and 'nids were the first two codices to get hit with the chapterhouse lawsuit nerf bat.

How were the SoB affected by the Chapterhouse lawsuit?

I really can't think of anything in that Sisters related. Save for some models on one site I've just seen in 2014 I don't know anyone who really does a Sisters clone. I guess they don't see any money in it right now.

Raging Hero's are doing a range which are vaguely like them - and there are a few sort of Sisters models floating about...........I guess you could say it meant any likelihood of new (non model) special characters being included was reduced immediately to zero - Inquisition was much worse - losing Valeria and then Dark Eldar had its SC roster torn up and thrown away.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, DA don't need a codex.
DA is not top tier, not even close, but the army is playable.
What changes would you expect for them?
GW might take away the power field generator.

Define playable. Most of the competitive play I see is either Ravenwing army or DA with a good amount of allies. Thats hard to call if playable when 2/3 of the codex doesn't see use. I'll trade my PFG for some Centurions or a Storm Eagle.