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It seems fairly certain that Necrons will roll in with a new Codex very early next year. After that? Is GW going to loop around and continue with Chaos Space Marines? Something else? Sisters?

For lack of rumours, let's hear your speculations!

I said Sisters based on the teaser video for Shield of Baal: Deathstorm but that's mostly because one can only hope.

I voted CSM as they were the first 6th edition Codex released, so it would make sense for them to be updated and GW seem to forget SoB are a thing.

Really hope that's wrong though, I would love to see Sisters get a Hardback Codex.

Well, after Necrons all armies have received a hardcover codex bar SoB, Harlequins, Squats, and whatnot.
After all GW wants to make profit and therefore I guess they will start to recycle beginning with CSM.

Squats are dead in 40k, Harlequins are an Eldar unit and we don't need any more dumb single unit factions like Imperial Knights, Legion of the Damned and Militarum Tempestus having their own book. A supplement included in the parent codex, sure, but they don't need their own book for two pages of rules.

Sisters is likely but considering I've never seen a SoB army personally I doubt it's high on the priority list. Chaos desperately needs units and rule changes and with IA13 being so good, it would be a shame for the main bad guys of Warhammer to be put on the back burner in favor of nuns with guns.

On a personal level, I'd like Chaos Marines. At this point they would be the oldest and I have many, many issues with the book that I'd love to see resolved.
At the same time, the current design ethos seems to be just about the polar opposite of what I'd like to see and so not only am I asking for favoritism, I'm also likely asking for a completely new design team and a radical change in thought. All in all, it's unlikely to be the kind of book I'd like anyway.

For the good of the game, I'd say Eldar probably 'need' it the most purely to rein them back into the game. The 7th Edition mantra of simplifying and toning down only works when everyone is on an even playing field.

I think it'll be CSM or DA, as much as I'd like to see Sisters done in plastic. I also think that we might see a) a greater focus on Fantasy next year and b) more Supplements/campaign books, adding stuff to codexes without changing what's already there (personally, I think this would be pretty cool).

I also wonder if we're seeing a major shift in the codex update style. So far, we've had 3 codexes in a row with no new units aded, only reduxes of old sprues, so we may well see the codexes staying largely the same while supplements/campaign books add in new units as/when they are ready.

I would hope we have a break from codex releases for a while and the first one after said break is SOB.

I"m really hoping for SOB. They need the love. Even if they don't get a new codex, they need model releases. If I remember correctly (we have a local SOB player) they haven't gotten new models since 1998? Inquisition would be interesting, even as just a supplement.

SOB are the most likely of this list. Beyond that - who knows. GW is very inconsistent about which codexes they update, so I wouldn't expect CSM or Dark Angels to get updated just because they're old (and it's clear that they don't care about balance issues).

Chaos do not need an update.

GW's recent codices show that the company is going down on powercreep levels and the only three armies people are really having issues with are Eldar, Tau and Chaos Daemon summon lists.

Difficult to see where a fix for Daemons would come from when the summoning aspect comes from the rulebook.

I agree though, if they fix those three book's worst excesses, for me personally the game wouldn't be in the worst place. It could still handle a great deal of rules clarification, a flattening of the disparity between the best and worst units in each faction and a somewhat less erratic release schedule (or at least something like a quarterly compendium to make it easier to keep up with) but I think it would be possible to have a fun game against anyone without copious pre-game discussions.

Speaking as a daemons player, I'd settle for a lot less random, EW on Greater Daemons and a bit of a buff for some of the pure assault units (mostly Khorne) but I'd seriously doubt any rumour for a new CD book before this time next year, unless the release rate stays this fast regardless of whether updates are needed or not.

With the level of Balance applied by GW the last few Codex's, I want Tau then Eldar in the same moth done next . Because ya you know why lol. Get the Lube Ready BOYS.

They should probably redo Tau and Eldar to bring them back in line with everything else. Then, I think they might actually be in a decent place for once. The core codexes would be mostly solid then and they can put out supplements/dataslates that have additional formations/detachment type of things to expand the army without going back to a fullblown codex.

I voted other. By that I mean something else will happen, maybe a break in 40 codices release after Necrons. If anything we could be getting a lot of supplements, say for Black Templar and maybe more CSM supplements. I am hoping something for Dark Angles as well.

GW doesn't need to make new codices but by adding supplements they can just add on what was released already.

It would be great for Sisters of Battle to have a hard cover but unless GW has plastic sisters made, I don't see them getting anything new or a hard cover book until plastic sisters are ready for release.

So new supplements maybe even new formations and data slates in White Dwarf?

Who knows, only a 2 months to see what will happen.

Interesting times ahead non the less.

WayneTheGame wrote:
They should probably redo Tau and Eldar to bring them back in line with everything else. Then, I think they might actually be in a decent place for once. The core codexes would be mostly solid then and they can put out supplements/dataslates that have additional formations/detachment type of things to expand the army without going back to a fullblown codex.

I'd leave all codices as they are when Necrons got an update.
If GW wants to change the rules for Serpents, the FAQs offer an opportunity.

I'd like to see more supplements come along. They don't even need to be army specific. I'd enjoy some more scenario books, or just books in general to open up new mission options to give us some interesting games.

But if we ARE to get army supplements...I want a big book dedicated to Ork Klans and some various detachments/formations for each...lets make it happen!

Heart wants Sisters.

Smart brain says CSM or DA.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Chaos do not need an update.

GW's recent codices show that the company is going down on powercreep levels and the only three armies people are really having issues with are Eldar, Tau and Chaos Daemon summon lists.

CSM's most definitely do require an update...

The current codex has done a fine job of fixing the first major problem of the 4th edition clusterfeth, namely, giving Chaos back a wide range of unit choices.
Remember that due to GW wanting to bring Daemons into a full-on army right from the start, the CSM's lost IIRC 14! units in total from their 3.5 codex to their 4th edition book. The 6th ed codex has fixed that first & most serious problem, by introducing a glut of 7 new characters & unit options, including old staples from the background material such as the Dark Apostle, Warpsmith & the basic rag-tag Cultists themselves.

The second problem that requires serious addressing however, is the lack of basic options across numerous units...
Those Loyalist scum have over the years received new squad-based upgrade options including the newest Grav-gun/pistol, Inferno pistol & Hand flamer for the BA's, and the Heavy flamer among others.
Chaos really needs a couple new options for their basic squaddies such as CSM's, Chosen & Havocs. Cultists could use a few added options as well.

Basically, they need some fleshing out!

And then of course, there's the utterly woeful state of the model range itself, which of the established lines, is the most in need of new replacement kits.

It'll be interesting to see what GW do after Necrons. Keep in mind that from this month, every codex bar CSM is still under 2 years old. There's also the eternally-rumoured new fantasy edition, which these End Times books seem to be building up to. I think it's likely that we'll see more supplement and campaign-based releases than codexes in the next ~6 months. Voting none of the above...

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Chaos do not need an update.

GW's recent codices show that the company is going down on powercreep levels and the only three armies people are really having issues with are Eldar, Tau and Chaos Daemon summon lists.

CSM's most definitely do require an update...

The current codex has done a fine job of fixing the first major problem of the 4th edition clusterfeth, namely, giving Chaos back a wide range of unit choices.
Remember that due to GW wanting to bring Daemons into a full-on army right from the start, the CSM's lost IIRC 14! units in total from their 3.5 codex to their 4th edition book. The 6th ed codex has fixed that first & most serious problem, by introducing a glut of 7 new characters & unit options, including old staples from the background material such as the Dark Apostle, Warpsmith & the basic rag-tag Cultists themselves.

The second problem that requires serious addressing however, is the lack of basic options across numerous units...
Those Loyalist scum have over the years received new squad-based upgrade options including the newest Grav-gun/pistol, Inferno pistol & Hand flamer for the BA's, and the Heavy flamer among others.
Chaos really needs a couple new options for their basic squaddies such as CSM's, Chosen & Havocs. Cultists could use a few added options as well.

Basically, they need some fleshing out!

And then of course, there's the utterly woeful state of the model range itself, which of the established lines, is the most in need of new replacement kits.

The biggest problem CSMs have is that they lack ATSKNF compared to the loyalists, but arent cheap enough to justify it. If they kept the current points cost but got armywide VOTLW, then we'd be talking. Also make the LR cheaper as POTMS should be worth more points, make god specific psychic powers more powerful and make mutilators worth taking.

But seriously, thats pretty much it. And the model range, yes. C:SM also has its problems like assault centurions and scout bikers and even regular assault marines being crap.

 xttz wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what GW do after Necrons. Keep in mind that from this month, every codex bar CSM is still under 2 years old. There's also the eternally-rumoured new fantasy edition, which these End Times books seem to be building up to. I think it's likely that we'll see more supplement and campaign-based releases than codexes in the next ~6 months. Voting none of the above...

Supplements and campaigns in 40k will not bring enough money.

Wow. There's a lot of hopeful people on here.

Sisters of battle codex? In our lifetime?

If they did a good job of it, with new plastic SoB kits, they would make a killing. So from a business point of view I can see it being worthwhile.

But I doubt they will want to put that much effort in.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of hopeful people on here.

Sisters of battle codex? In our lifetime?

If they did a good job of it, with new plastic SoB kits, they would make a killing. So from a business point of view I can see it being worthwhile.

But I doubt they will want to put that much effort in.

There is no sign that SOB will get a hardcover codex anytime soon.
I guess GW judges SOB as not being profitable enough.

I would love a new DA codex. But I think CSM is the obvious choice. SoB would be awesome too, but I think they're only slightly above Squats in terms of likeliness.

 Sir Arun wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Chaos do not need an update.

GW's recent codices show that the company is going down on powercreep levels and the only three armies people are really having issues with are Eldar, Tau and Chaos Daemon summon lists.

CSM's most definitely do require an update...

The current codex has done a fine job of fixing the first major problem of the 4th edition clusterfeth, namely, giving Chaos back a wide range of unit choices.
Remember that due to GW wanting to bring Daemons into a full-on army right from the start, the CSM's lost IIRC 14! units in total from their 3.5 codex to their 4th edition book. The 6th ed codex has fixed that first & most serious problem, by introducing a glut of 7 new characters & unit options, including old staples from the background material such as the Dark Apostle, Warpsmith & the basic rag-tag Cultists themselves.

The second problem that requires serious addressing however, is the lack of basic options across numerous units...
Those Loyalist scum have over the years received new squad-based upgrade options including the newest Grav-gun/pistol, Inferno pistol & Hand flamer for the BA's, and the Heavy flamer among others.
Chaos really needs a couple new options for their basic squaddies such as CSM's, Chosen & Havocs. Cultists could use a few added options as well.

Basically, they need some fleshing out!

And then of course, there's the utterly woeful state of the model range itself, which of the established lines, is the most in need of new replacement kits.

The biggest problem CSMs have is that they lack ATSKNF compared to the loyalists, but arent cheap enough to justify it. If they kept the current points cost but got armywide VOTLW, then we'd be talking. Also make the LR cheaper as POTMS should be worth more points, make god specific psychic powers more powerful and make mutilators worth taking.

But seriously, thats pretty much it. And the model range, yes. C:SM also has its problems like assault centurions and scout bikers and even regular assault marines being crap.

1. We don't need to be cheaper, just give Chaos Marines something to justify their cost. Right now the added Leadership & ability to gain PE: Space Marines is pretty good. Same deal with the likes of the Land Raider, we don't need a cheaper one, just our own unique equivalent to PotMS.
Our bread & butter units would also become a lot more attractive if they gained upgrade options such as the Heavy flamer. Same deal with the likes of the Dark Apostle - he'd be a staple honestly if he could simply take a bike or jump pack like his loyalist counterpart can!

2. Loyalists can go cry a god damn river over their so-called 'problem kits'. We have half our freaking model line still stuck as god-awful Finecrap hybrid kits, with only 2 serviceable plastic kits that give you access to all of a unit's actual options!
CSM's, Havocs & Termies are pathetic kits that are missing half or more of the actual options, and/or are utterly incapable of building any kind of viable unit from. Chosen are missing entirely, and the Cult troop kits are a joke.

Well, inquisition has the 2nd lowest vote. I suppose you could say that Nobody Expects the Imperial Inquisition?

I would really like SoB, however anything else has a 99.9999...999% likely hood of being chosen by GW over SoB.

So fare it seems CSM is the most likely candidate.

If anything after Necrons I expect to see Sisters.

If not I expect to see no more Codex releases for another year or so. Their focus will likely be on Fantasy and as all codex's will have a hard back come January.
The balancing will come in the form of new CADS released through additions such as Shield of Baal or formation/dataslate releases.

This is likely the end of the road for codex releases at least for a while.

Whomever they make a box set for next plus a bonus faction.

Maybe they'll do something crazy and do tau/eldar, rather than marine variant/xenos.

A tau/daemon box might be cool, reliving that battle on the altar where farsight got his sword.

SoB/eldar, the only way to get plastic battle sisters being a 130$(I think that was the CAD price). Oh, therefore making GW a saint by giving SOB a slight discount. I mean, battle sisters burning dirty Xenos witches! What's not to love?

I suppose they could always push more DV by doing CSM and Dark Angels, but if I payed ravenwing or deathwing I would be a bit nervous by the prospect.