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dethork wrote:
I never cared for Jon Stewart. I might watch daily show if they replace him with either Ben Stein or Gilbert Gottfried.

Ben Stein is awesome.

I miss his gameshow.

Not liberal enough for Comedy Central though.

Too bad, I thought he was quite funny, and did mange to get young people more interested in politics, always a good thing imo.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Too bad, I thought he was quite funny, and did mange to get young people more interested in politics, always a good thing imo.

Definitely not liberal enough, and he hasn't exactly done anything lately to endear himself to them, what with his comments on Cuba and Barry O in general.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Too bad, I thought he was quite funny, and did mange to get young people more interested in politics, always a good thing imo.

Definitely not liberal enough, and he hasn't exactly done anything lately to endear himself to them, what with his comments on Cuba and Barry O in general.

You are talking about stewart right? What comments did he make about Cuba/Barry O are you talking about.

I'm guessing 'Barry O' is tool language for President Barrack Obama?

Good night, sweet prince.

He may have a liberal bias, but at least he’s honest and up-front about it. And isn’t above taking shots at his own side when they deserve it.

I respect that a lot more then biased sources that feign otherwise and skip over anything that doesn’t mesh with their message.

 Ahtman wrote:
I'm guessing 'Barry O' is tool language for President Barrack Obama?

Sure, that who you CLAIM he is, sheeple.

 Alex C wrote:
Ben Stein is awesome.

Yeah... no.

 Ahtman wrote:
I'm guessing 'Barry O' is tool language for President Barrack Obama?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Ben Stein is awesome.

Yeah... no.

Silly me, thinking I can have an opinion

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Too bad, I thought he was quite funny, and did mange to get young people more interested in politics, always a good thing imo.

Definitely not liberal enough, and he hasn't exactly done anything lately to endear himself to them, what with his comments on Cuba and Barry O in general.

You are talking about stewart right? What comments did he make about Cuba/Barry O are you talking about.

No, I'm talking about Stein. That didn't come across very clearly. My bad.


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 Ahtman wrote:
I'm guessing 'Barry O' is tool language for President Barrack Obama?

It's in obvious reference to him, yes.

I'll leave the derogatory qualifiers to you.

 Alex C wrote:
Silly me, thinking I can have an opinion

You're more than entitled to you opinion, just like I am. I never said you couldn't think anything.

Ben Stein is a marginally talented, intellectually dishonest, irrelevant buffoon who's only purpose now is make gakky "documentaries" and write gakky op-eds as if people really care about his opinion.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I'm guessing 'Barry O' is tool language for President Barrack Obama?

It's in obvious reference to him, yes.

I'll leave the derogatory qualifiers to you.

It's immature, unoriginal, and petty.

People that are so childish that they can't be bothered to use the man's name or just "the President" should have their opinions treated with minimal regard; just like all the idiots who insisted on calling President Bush by the name "Dubya" as an insult. No one took them serious, and for good reason: it was dumb.

But please continue with your feigned offense.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Too bad, I thought he was quite funny, and did mange to get young people more interested in politics, always a good thing imo.

Definitely not liberal enough, and he hasn't exactly done anything lately to endear himself to them, what with his comments on Cuba and Barry O in general.

You are talking about stewart right? What comments did he make about Cuba/Barry O are you talking about.

No, I'm talking about Stein. That didn't come across very clearly. My bad.

The best part is, my comment was to the thread as a whole regarding John Stewart, but my comment fit so beautifully with yours.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
It's immature, unoriginal, and petty.

Is it?

Well, shucks.

People that are so childish that they can't be bothered to use the man's name or just "the President" should have their opinions treated with minimal regard; just like all the idiots who insisted on calling President Bush by the name "Dubya" as an insult. No one took them serious, and for good reason: it was dumb.

Dubya was called Dubya pretty routinely by lots of people on both sides of the fence. Not a great analogy.

I mean, I can't say I'm too concerned about the regard you treat my opinions with.

But please continue with your feigned (or sadly real?) offense at my referring to Obama as Barry O.

dethork wrote:
I never cared for Jon Stewart. I might watch daily show if they replace him with either Ben Stein or Gilbert Gottfried.

Keeping it in the tribe? What about Marc Maron?

I probably haven’t watched The Daily Show in four years, maybe more. More and more it stopped feeling like a show that used comedy to make political points, but a show that had political points and jokes, with no real synergy between them. Maybe it just went through a lull, or maybe it was just my experience, I don’t know, but I found the show increasingly unsatisfying, while at the same time thinking Stewart was still an important voice.

 Alex C wrote:
Silly me, thinking I can have an opinion

You can have opinion. And other people can have the opinion that your opinion is bad.

In the same way, Ben Stein can make Expelled, and just about everyone else in the world can form the opinion that the film is lying bs, that cynically uses the holocaust to score political points against a belief Stein doesn't like.

 sebster wrote:
I probably haven’t watched The Daily Show in four years, maybe more. More and more it stopped feeling like a show that used comedy to make political points, but a show that had political points and jokes, with no real synergy between them. Maybe it just went through a lull, or maybe it was just my experience, I don’t know, but I found the show increasingly unsatisfying, while at the same time thinking Stewart was still an important voice.

 Alex C wrote:
Silly me, thinking I can have an opinion

You can have opinion. And other people can have the opinion that your opinion is bad.

In the same way, Ben Stein can make Expelled, and just about everyone else in the world can form the opinion that the film is lying bs, that cynically uses the holocaust to score political points against a belief Stein doesn't like.

Dear God is Sebster becoming...a conservative? So scared so...terrified.

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Damn, I've been watching pretty much every show for the last few years. Whilst not "unbiased" as such - definitely has liberal leanings, though he criticizes the democrats when needed too - he is far less biased than mainstream news and tends to present actual facts... and then lambaste people who ignore them. Thankfully Bill Maher is sticking around it seems, of the 3 I preferred him then Stewart then Colbert, but having Oliver doing his thing is good.

Honestly Bill Maher I am not a huge fan of. He is intellectually dishonest and talks over people with appositive points of view even when they are using facts to back up what they are saying and he has none to back up his own. Even when I agree with Maher I think he's a cock.

Bill Maher is a complete berk, he's so far up his own arse he collapsed into a smugness singularity, and more importantly he's an idiot anti-vaxxer. Not even in the same league as Stewart, who was at least willing to have folks like Bill O'Reilly on for a bit of back & forth.

Bill Maher is a douche bag. I always thought of him as the liberal version of Rush Linbaugh. They are different due to one being a comidian and other a radio talk show host but they are both similar in the fact that they are ideologues,loud, and obnoxious. They also both put their foots in their mouths a lot. Sometimes in both cases I think that the fact that they are so obnoxious is a big part of the appeal for a lot of people. Also in both cases I have seen more mainstream politicians or guys like David Axelrod had their feet held to fire by journalists on TV after either Maher or Linbaugh said something stupid.

That said about Stewart there is a interesting article on slate of all places link One point that article makes that I do agree with is that I never really bought is whole "I am just a comedian" routine because there are people who get their news from him and his former colleagues.

Interesting article, but I can't agree with the conclusions. In order to believe cynical humour is the wrong way to address politics because it's actually a serious and genuine ideological divide, you have to accept that it's actually a serious and genuine ideological divide. While I'm sure that's true for the majority of people, and for some politicians, I doubt I'm alone in thinking that for the majority of politicians and the party machines they support it's nothing of the kind. There are differences between even the two combatants in a narrow two-party system like the USA's, but they're only significant differences in terms of rhetoric, when you get down to the level of actual policy implementation, of voting records, the reality is that preservation of the system and the status quo is the highest goal to which they aspire.

Look at the political compass for most developed nations and you will find that the major, electable parties almost all cluster together in the upper-right quadrant(right-authoritarian), regardless of what the distribution of the citizenry is. They're not all exactly on top of one another, some will be slightly closer to the centre than others, some will be slightly closer to the "libertarian line" than others, but at the core they're all neoliberals, they're all comfortable with corporate welfare and vast military-industrial spending, they all seek greater centralisation, and they're all part of the same media-political narrative that seeks to marginalise voices that don't conform to their comfortable consensus.

You can't engage honestly and sincerely with a game that is so rigged, the only rational responses are outrage or resigned, sardonic, cynical humour, and outrage is just too draining to maintain for any length of time, better in my view to keep people involved in the process as much as possible using sarcastic jokes so they can save their outrage up for one of the rare instances it will have a chance to actually effect change. The alternative is usually that people burn out and disengage, become either non-voters or unthinking-voters(people who just vote the way they always have out of habit), and I'd argue that's far more damaging to the democratic process than a few smug teens sneering at people.

The only man My partner and i enjoyed much better next Stewart has been Oliver, and also he's about high quality programs since We refuse to fork out with regard to.

At least you still have Fox for all of your satirical news entertainment.

Wait, you mean Fox News is supposed to be actual news?

dethork wrote:
I never cared for Jon Stewart. I might watch daily show if they replace him with either Ben Stein or Gilbert Gottfried.

Ben Stein would be an awful talk show host. He wasn't even the host of Win Ben Stein's Money, despite being credited that way.


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 sebster wrote:
I probably haven’t watched The Daily Show in four years, maybe more. More and more it stopped feeling like a show that used comedy to make political points, but a show that had political points and jokes, with no real synergy between them. Maybe it just went through a lull, or maybe it was just my experience, I don’t know, but I found the show increasingly unsatisfying, while at the same time thinking Stewart was still an important voice.

Honestly, I think the basic concept of the show became stale because it ran out new, relevant material. I mean, there are only so many jokes you can make regarding the absurdities of a media and political climate that has remained virtually the same for ~20 years.

 cincydooley wrote:
Is it?

Yes.

Dubya was called Dubya pretty routinely by lots of people on both sides of the fence. Not a great analogy.

Your right, which is why I said "people who insisted on calling him that as an insult." I'm happy you chose to appropriate the name and use it as a term of endearment, but don't deny the fact that lots of idiots didn't.

I mean, I can't say I'm too concerned about the regard you treat my opinions with.

And yet you are concerned enough to let me know you're not concerned.

But please continue with your feigned (or sadly real?) offense at my referring to Obama as Barry O.

Ahh, the tried and true attempt to reuse a punchline as an attempt at one-upmanship. Well played, sir.

I'm not offended by your childish insistence to refer to the President by another unoriginal, tired nickname... I think it's adorable.


But anyways, I'm sad to see Stewart go but I believe it's time for him to move on. I would also prefer Comedy Central to end the show, but I've already seen rumors that there is a short list to find a replacement.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

dethork wrote:
I never cared for Jon Stewart. I might watch daily show if they replace him with either Ben Stein or Gilbert Gottfried.

Keeping it in the tribe? What about Marc Maron?

Does he have a funny voice? Because that is 50% of what I care about in a funny person. That way, even if they aren't funny funny, I can at least laugh at their way of saying it.

Now, even better, are those like Bill Burr, George Carlin, and Jim Jeffries (before he got married and unfunny - cut out the religion and anti-gun rants and stick to talking about shoving eggs up your bum) who not only have funny accents that come from somewhere away from the blessed and serene midwest, but they also say funny things.

Otherwise, if they want me to watch TV, they'd better add more zombies and Rick-Darryl bromances and rename the Daily Show "The Perambulating Deceased" or something like that.

FWIW, the Walking Dead is the best political commentary on TV right now. See, the walkers are the Democrats (or was it the Republicans?) and the various nasty folks are the Republicans (or was it Democrats?) and the survivors are like the rest of us true Americans who hate taxes, love guns, and think Beth, Maggie, Darryl, and Rick are too hot to trot.

dethork wrote:


FWIW, the Walking Dead is the best political commentary on TV right now. See, the walkers are the Democrats (or was it the Republicans?) and the various nasty folks are the Republicans (or was it Democrats?) and the survivors are like the rest of us true Americans who hate taxes, love guns, and think Beth, Maggie, Darryl, and Rick are too hot to trot.

So you're bi, and have a thing for dead girls?

I kid, I kid.

I thought the walking dead was the sequel to breaking bad, don't do blue sky kids

 Frazzled wrote:
Dear God is Sebster becoming...a conservative? So scared so...terrified.

I always told you I was pretty conservative. It's just first and foremost I'm anti-idiot, and that's meant a lot of my time here was bashing the current form of the Republican party, because they've embraced some really stupid ideas.


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 dogma wrote:
Honestly, I think the basic concept of the show became stale because it ran out new, relevant material. I mean, there are only so many jokes you can make regarding the absurdities of a media and political climate that has remained virtually the same for ~20 years.

I never thought of it that way, and it makes a lot of sense. Thanks.