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I know Calth is a sweet deal but I can't go with anything but Mk III. Might look at grabbing the Terminators from someone who breaks up the box.

I love resin models. The detail is much better and I find them easier to work with than plastic. Some large flat panels have a habit of warping but that can be fixed easily with a heat gun. The cost is kind of ridiculous but I build and paint so slowly that it doesn't bother me too much. It takes me a month to build and paint $100-200 worth of FW stuff, I spend more than that getting coffee and breakfast on the way to work every day.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nah, Calth isn't "good" for Iron Hands and Death Guard. Both hardly used MK IV armor, Iron hands need more vehicles then Calth has. It's a good spring board so long as you don't use it as "3 10-man vet squads" but one of the first buys for both army would be MK III armor and vehicles (for IH at least).

Honestly, if you could get some jump packs (or run them as terror squads ), Calth fits RG and NL since they both extensively used MK IV (and MK VI for RG)

Just went through both the Iron Hands and Death Guard entries in the FW HH Books. Although we're used to seeing Death Guard and Iron Hands in Mk III armour, neither entry specifies that they 'hardly' used other marks. I think Forge World have been pretty clear that ANY mark of armour works for ANY legion - even if the legions themselves have preferences.

In a legion of 100,000 there's gonna be space for a few thousand suits of MkIV. I'd say MkIV is perfectly fine for Death Guard or Iron Hands. It's just a matter of personal preference...

Honestly, you would be the only person who would notice. You opponent will not notice or care. Fluffwise all legions used all marks of armor, just some were mass re-equipped at different times than others and thus have a higher share of one version over another.

BaC works fine for all the legions even IH and NL. All legions use 20 man squads and vet squads are the specialist swiss army knife unit for every legion.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nah, Calth isn't "good" for Iron Hands and Death Guard. Both hardly used MK IV armor, Iron hands need more vehicles then Calth has. It's a good spring board so long as you don't use it as "3 10-man vet squads" but one of the first buys for both army would be MK III armor and vehicles (for IH at least).

Honestly, if you could get some jump packs (or run them as terror squads ), Calth fits RG and NL since they both extensively used MK IV (and MK VI for RG)

Just went through both the Iron Hands and Death Guard entries in the FW HH Books. Although we're used to seeing Death Guard and Iron Hands in Mk III armour, neither entry specifies that they 'hardly' used other marks. I think Forge World have been pretty clear that ANY mark of armour works for ANY legion - even if the legions themselves have preferences.

In a legion of 100,000 there's gonna be space for a few thousand suits of MkIV. I'd say MkIV is perfectly fine for Death Guard or Iron Hands. It's just a matter of personal preference...

Oh I know everyone used it, but there was definitely "preferred marks of armor" among legions.

jasper76 wrote:Primarch's are good, but they're not broken good, and they cost alot of guacamole to bring in most cases. Dumping that many points into one unit can be considered a liability in a lower points game, to be honest. I wouldn't worry too much about whether or not to use a Primarch in this or that game. The rules kind of do this for you, as you can't bring one in a sub-2000 point game, so there's the hard cutoff. Give it a go at 2000. If the Primarch ends up being too strong in 2000 point games with your friends, simply make a note and don't use him again except in a higher points game.

Yah that sounds like the wise thing to do.

Yeah. I think MK III armour and vehicles will probably be a good starting point for IH. Also, would you have any recommendations for mechanicum allies?

Unfortunately I don't have enough knowledge about the Mechanicum to give any kind of advice there. Hopefully someone who knows more will come along and help you on that.

I dont see how people have the points for allies. I never can get all the my legion specific stuff I want into lists within 2.5k limits, let alone 2k.

Did someone mention the Mechanicum?

My first recommendation is Thallax - if you end up facing an infiltrating list they can't be deployed within 24" of a thallax cohort so you can banish those infiltrtors back to the scummy deployment zone they belong in! Most opponents will get obsessed with their T5 3W relentless jet-packery and forget about other stuff like how your cover save is worsened when they shoot at you or that their plasma has three shots and doesn't have 'gets hot!'.

Second recommendation is Vorax - just a couple to outflank and leave to it; they can fire three weapons at the same time, they're fearless, fleet, immune to both poisoned and fleshbane and are decent distraction carnifex's. dump them by the enemy and let 'programmed behaviour' do the rest! they can never score so this is a fun and justifiable tactic for 65 points base each.

Third is tech-thrall adsecularis - cheap (35pts base!) scoring 10 man blobs which can be made fearless for 15 points, have other wargear options and can get buffs from tech-preist auxillia lacyraemartra and magos lachrimallus - they are a curious little unit for sure!

Honourable mention to calleb decima for having a macrocarid explorator DT and being an independent character finally! when given the 'decima invictus' upgrade he gains eternal warrior and relentless making his curse of the omnissiah attack a proper tool of destruction and can also take a bodyguard unit for when he gets out of his DT.

I haven't added it up, but I just took the Death Guard upgrades and stuck them in de-chaosed chaos space marine tactical squad parts. They look pretty good, kind of remind me of the old plague marines from back in the day.

 SirDonlad wrote:
Did someone mention the Mechanicum?

My first recommendation is Thallax - if you end up facing an infiltrating list they can't be deployed within 24" of a thallax cohort so you can banish those infiltrtors back to the scummy deployment zone they belong in! Most opponents will get obsessed with their T5 3W relentless jet-packery and forget about other stuff like how your cover save is worsened when they shoot at you or that their plasma has three shots and doesn't have 'gets hot!'.

Second recommendation is Vorax - just a couple to outflank and leave to it; they can fire three weapons at the same time, they're fearless, fleet, immune to both poisoned and fleshbane and are decent distraction carnifex's. dump them by the enemy and let 'programmed behaviour' do the rest! they can never score so this is a fun and justifiable tactic for 65 points base each.

Third is tech-thrall adsecularis - cheap (35pts base!) scoring 10 man blobs which can be made fearless for 15 points, have other wargear options and can get buffs from tech-preist auxillia lacyraemartra and magos lachrimallus - they are a curious little unit for sure!

Honourable mention to calleb decima for having a macrocarid explorator DT and being an independent character finally! when given the 'decima invictus' upgrade he gains eternal warrior and relentless making his curse of the omnissiah attack a proper tool of destruction and can also take a bodyguard unit for when he gets out of his DT.

Thanks for the tips... the Thallax sound like a good starting point. Also... would you recommend Castellax? I haven't seen their rules but they look AWESOME!!!

MkIII was preferred by the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. since the armor was made for boarding actions and needed stronger front protection. It is essentially MkII with extra plates welded in if I recall correctly. Those are the only two I can name, but I am sure that there were other legions like MkIII.

The original fluff by Saint Rick of Priestley was that 'no force was ever solely equipped with MkIII' ~ it wasn't MkII+, the rear plates were *weakened* to compensate for the increased frontal armour, which meant it was unsuitable for any kind of situation where you might be outflanked.

 conker249 wrote:
MkIII was preferred by the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. since the armor was made for boarding actions and needed stronger front protection. It is essentially MkII with extra plates welded in if I recall correctly. Those are the only two I can name, but I am sure that there were other legions like MkIII.

Totally agree - I think the point was that while some legions may prefer one mark over the other, all legions had all marks of armour somewhere amongst their far-flung companies, since various companies would get resupplied at different rates. I thin that might be why FW seems to be prioritising Crusade armour for White Scars - because they were rarely in touch with the wider imperium.

Anyway, the point was that Battle for Calth is a fine starter set for any of them.

1st, buy your 2 red books to play the army lol. Rule wise everything you need should be in these two books. Unless you want to play DA, BA, or WS, then get book 6 plus the great crusade army book. (If you want to do black sheilds or shattered legions you will need book 6 plus both red books.)


Even if you go for one of the legions found in the red book, you may want to consider getting Book 6 at some point anyway. Book 6 as a few new units plus new rites of war for all legions.


Hope that helps you atleast know were to start rules wise.

 conker249 wrote:
MkIII was preferred by the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. since the armor was made for boarding actions and needed stronger front protection. It is essentially MkII with extra plates welded in if I recall correctly. Those are the only two I can name, but I am sure that there were other legions like MkIII.

Imperial fists (they still used and liked MK IV)
Iron warriors
Iron Hands
Death Guard
Salamanders


those are the big MKIII lovers that I can think of off the top of my head.

 Lockark wrote:
1st, buy your 2 red books to play the army lol. Rule wise everything you need should be in these two books. Unless you want to play DA, BA, or WS, then get book 6 plus the great crusade army book. (If you want to do black sheilds or shattered legions you will need book 6 plus both red books.)


Even if you go for one of the legions found in the red book, you may want to consider getting Book 6 at some point anyway. Book 6 as a few new units plus new rites of war for all legions.


Hope that helps you atleast know were to start rules wise.

Thanks

 Foamy248 wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
1st, buy your 2 red books to play the army lol. Rule wise everything you need should be in these two books. Unless you want to play DA, BA, or WS, then get book 6 plus the great crusade army book. (If you want to do black sheilds or shattered legions you will need book 6 plus both red books.)


Even if you go for one of the legions found in the red book, you may want to consider getting Book 6 at some point anyway. Book 6 as a few new units plus new rites of war for all legions.


Hope that helps you atleast know were to start rules wise.

Thanks

Wait for the new red book, since the new legion red book has changes for a number of the previous legions. but beyond that, I'm not sure if shattered legions/black shields will be in the red book with the rest of the legions, but we'll find out soon anyways.

Is there an ETA on the new redbook?

 jasper76 wrote:
Is there an ETA on the new redbook?

well, if we're lucky, this friday will show off the pre-orders, so we might know as soon as then. if not, we just play the waiting game.

Well, at least they had the decency to stop printing and selling the last edition when a new one is on the way.

 jasper76 wrote:
Is there an ETA on the new redbook?

Just mentioned this in the other thread...I thought I read somewhere that the Legions book will be at least a few weeks away? And apparently we'll get an updated Crusade book a couple months after that.

 Brennonjw wrote:

 Foamy248 wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
1st, buy your 2 red books to play the army lol. Rule wise everything you need should be in these two books. Unless you want to play DA, BA, or WS, then get book 6 plus the great crusade army book. (If you want to do black sheilds or shattered legions you will need book 6 plus both red books.)


Even if you go for one of the legions found in the red book, you may want to consider getting Book 6 at some point anyway. Book 6 as a few new units plus new rites of war for all legions.


Hope that helps you atleast know were to start rules wise.

Thanks

Wait for the new red book, since the new legion red book has changes for a number of the previous legions. but beyond that, I'm not sure if shattered legions/black shields will be in the red book with the rest of the legions, but we'll find out soon anyways.

They won't be. The new Legions red book only has the Istavaan Crusade Legions and the Ultramarines.

So if I am starting a Raven Guard legion obviously wait to get the new red book and the normal red book.

 Ustrello wrote:
So if I am starting a Raven Guard legion obviously wait to get the new red book and the normal red book.

If you're starting a Raven Guard force, you'll need the 'Crusade Army List' and the 'Isstvan Campaign Legions' red books. You could use the old versions but, ideally, get the new versions of both, as they'll have all the new units and tweaks included.

Agreed because as I found out, you cant have just one Legion. <grumble grumble>

Col. Dash wrote:
Agreed because as I found out, you cant have just one Legion. <grumble grumble>

Could be worse: You could have 2 legions, a (slight) wanting of a 3rd (White Scars allies + Khan since them and TS were buddy-buddy. Same situation with my DG and some Night Lords), 2 Imperial army forces, and a wanting for a mechanicum force. GO CRUSADE FLEET WOO!

To be fair, if I ever finish these armies, It will look AMAZING in apoc. games.

Working on my 3rd. Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion and one day I might do a heavily converted Space Wolf army.

I have a few questions

-What mark was most common among the TS?

-Could I have an AoD with SM, an AD of Mechanicum, AND an AD of Solar auxilia?

What do people recommend for starting Auxilia?

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I have a few questions

-What mark was most common among the TS?

-Could I have an AoD with SM, an AD of Mechanicum, AND an AD of Solar auxilia?

What do people recommend for starting Auxilia?

- TS used all of the marks. they had a decent number of MK IV since horus was trying to bribe them much like he was doing with the blood angels.

- Kind of. HH used 6th edition rules for the most part, so IIRC you can have 1 CAD, and 1 allied detachement. Don't forget that with the right wargear/console you can take thallax/castellax in a legion list.

- I love my Auxilia though the price is a bit extremely high.