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I'm 100% in opposition to you here!

I think it looks A LOT better out of its BA colors!

Alpharius wrote:I'm 100% in opposition to you here! I think it looks A LOT better out of its BA colors!

I'll second that. I think the Grey Knights paint job makes it look great.

was in gw today and had a play with the storm raven kit, looks loads better in person and as to the dreadnought there is a magna grapple winch under the tail boom and it hangs from that. goes together real easy and the kit is quite nice

BrassScorpion wrote:Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool:

Flying Boxcar, C119


A-10 Thunderbolt II, "Warthog"

The A-10 is extremely cool looking, at least to me. Sure, it's not quite as streamlined and 'fast' looking as a lot of fighters, but ti looks like the airplane equivalent of a barroom brawler. Big, solid, and ready to hurt someone.

The C119 is a little harder to defend, but it is, unlike the Stormraven, mostly streamlined. Sure, it looks a bit ungainly, but it looks reasonable.

Having just checked out the picture of the sprue on the GW website, it looks like the hole cut for the turret is the standard size for the hatches from the tank kits. Just a thought but it might look a bit cooler with a Razorback turret on top?

BrassScorpion wrote:Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool:

This is not one of those times.

The A-10 is extremely cool looking...

I totally agree, but the pilots don't call it the "Warthog" instead of its official Thunderbolt II name for nothing. Compared to sleek fighter planes, they think it's ugly. And it wears ugly like a badge of honor. I've seen A-10 demos many times at airshows and walked up close to them in the static display areas at those shows and it never fails to impress.

This is the funniest complaint I've seen about the Stormraven. It comes from another forum. It's not the fact that they hate the model that's funny, there's plenty of that around and way too much to be funny. Rather, the humor is in the phrasing of the complaint which chases it's own tail in endless circles. Notice the obsessive, repetitive use of the words, "boxy" and "stupid".

We're not complaining that it's boxy, we're complaining that it looks stupid at certain angles. The reason it looks stupid is because it's too boxy, but they could have kept it boxy while making it look not-stupid from those angles.

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is adept at expressing themselves. Hilarious.

Having just checked out the picture of the sprue on the GW website, it looks like the hole cut for the turret is the standard size for the hatches from the tank kits.

GW uses that measurement over and over again and I love it. It's not only helpful to them with their production process, the swap options this creates for us modelers is endless and fun. Now there's just one more kit one can interchange parts with. I've already taken advantage of this to use a Defiler Chaos looking turret in place of the one that comes in the Land Raider kit for my Tzeentch Land Raider and many other more subtle bit swaps between Imperial vehicle kits.

It sounds like some stores have Black Box samples of the Stormraven this week based on some of the posts here. Maybe I'll stop by my local GW today and see if they have one. Then I can see if it's fugly, cool or somewhere in between for myself.

I think the grey knight paint scheme looks cooler, but then Again, I incorporate black and yellow into my BA vehicles, so I will have an oppurtunity to break of the red and hopefully design some nice hull markings for it. The greyknight one kind of reminds me of WW2 color schemes, just not khakis obviously. In any case to each their own, I just can't wait to bust a knife and plasticard on that kit!

Just ordered my stormraven from GFG, looking forward to having a play around with it and fielding it in a list! I think the GK coloured one looks alright!

Since the turret seem "standard", do we have any confirmation that FW doors (either the Rhino doors or LR) doors would fit on the SR?

Phil

H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.

This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?"

Putting the guns somewhere else would have been better.

I agree wholly. I have decided to order one of these, but I intend to remove the vent and rework the turret so it's similar to the turrets on a Land Raider\Razorback etc.

boreas wrote:Since the turret seem "standard", do we have any confirmation that FW doors (either the Rhino doors or LR) doors would fit on the SR? Phil

Someone said here earlier that the side doors are Rhino and the main door Land Raider.

You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

puma713 wrote:Those look like the DC dreads from the codex. Wonder if they've been ready for that long and just waiting on the Chibi-hawk to get the green light.


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And is that a new Sicarius-type captain in the second pic? Or has he always been around?

That capatain is a plastic conversion, featured in the BA codex release issue of WD

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

The Dreadnought?

The Rhino?

The Drop Pod?

Hard to say, really.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

The Dreadnought?

The Rhino?

The Drop Pod?

Hard to say, really.

Actually, he's referring to the current space shuttle.

It's affectionately referred to as "the Falling Brick".

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

Actually, he's referring to the current space shuttle.

It's affectionately referred to as "the Falling Brick".

bet the space shuttle looks KEWL, with the areodynamic shape and the black/white contrast (NASA has good painters)

this just looks meh. will get one probably, but only to convert

Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:



The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.

That looks good, but painting the plasma cannon barrels metal, no drybrush, is just...wierd.
I can easily imagine this with a yellow front ramp, to be referred to as the stormpelican.

It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Maybe the turrets are armed wrongly - anti-aircraft guns in the servitor turret, anti-ground guns in the nose.

I ahve been convinced to make my Stormraven in Imperial Fists colors.... STORMPELICAN AWAYYYY!

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

So where's the "bottom-mounted turret" on the AC-130 Spectre? I mean, it's supposed to be logically designed and it only fires at the ground.

Yet, all the guns are mounted on one side of the plane.

Simply put:
You wouldn't put the weaponry for "shooting the ground" in the bottom on anything that is potentially going to be landing or dropping off troops. Top mounted weaponry (or as we really only see on actual aircraft right now) and waist mounted weaponry make better sense in those situations, simply because it means even when the aircraft is on the ground it can still engage targets.

The Stormraven follows that ideal, and takes up the same method of weapon emplacement that you see on the UH-60 Black Hawk "Direct Action Penetrator" variant, which would have a role similar to the Stormraven. All the weaponry faces forward and is set up to clear a landing zone before they come in.

Does it mean the Stormraven has to alter its flight later on in order to provide ground support?
Yes.

But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AC-13,000 gunship, stormraven version,


Kanluwen does have a point, although I would say the AC-130 is a special case, don't se many planes set up like that, most have nose/front facing weapons

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus?

FM Ninja 048 wrote:AC-13,000 gunship, Stormraven version,


Kanluwen does have a point, although I would say the AC-130 is a special case, don't see many planes set up like that, most have nose/front facing weapons

Well, the thing that makes the AC-130 different from...well, pretty much every other aircraft out there, is that it's meant to "orbit" and remain on station to provide constant, precision(relatively speaking) fire support to the ground forces engaged below.

Even the A-10, which has the same relative role as the AC-130, has to set itself up for strafing runs to bring all its guns to bear.

The Stormraven isn't unique in that regard.

I like that new bird,if I ever got some cash and had my army finished I'd get it.

But I really want to get that new Dread.
And combine it with the Ven Dread to make a really fancy Dread.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

Phew. Thought my memory was finally overloaded!

But yeah. I'm kind of surprised there's no Psycannon option in the box for Knightravens.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

Phew. Thought my memory was finally overloaded!

But yeah. I'm kind of surprised there's no Psycannon option in the box for Knightravens.

Chances are, you will need to scrounge that one from the obligatory Grey Knights vehicle / upgrade kit in April. A bit like how ork Meks found in the Burnas / Lootas boxed set lacks the arm needed to hold a big shoota / rokkit launcher, which you had to take from a Boyz boxed set which, DERP, only had one of those.

Pft. If that's the case, screw that noise.

Get a Psycannon Razorback turret from FW.

...Which interestingly enough, has been renamed to simply "Psycannon Upgrade" and no longer just says "To upgrade a Daemonhunters Rhino to a Daemonhunters Razorback with Psycannon".

But yeah.

That would look far better on the Knightraven, I think.