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It's gonna own when they finally release a plastic Chaos Dreadnought kit.

bhsman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Y'know, to this day my biggest problem with the Chibi-Hawk remains that damned awful turret/air intake on the top. The fact that the vehicle has no rear is annoying, and makes it look stupid, but if it had a flat top with no vent/turret, it would at least be an improvement.

Apparently the air intake piece isn't required to assemble the model, if it helps.

Finding that out made the SR move a notch up in style for me. Once you remove all the crap at the top and use a slimmer turret it does wonders for its silly front-heavy appearances. Plus with the extra space, it's perfect to slap on a big decal or stencil a symbol.

My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.

This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?"

Putting the guns somewhere else would have been better.

Kroothawk wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:

bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.

With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.

Man, just accept that GW wasn't in the mood to spend 10.000 $ on a new dreadnought mould when instead they could just rerelease the old model to see if anybody still wants to buy it.

Since when does accepting something equate to liking it?
Also, if you think for a moment that, had GW made a SW Dread/Bjorn sprue to add on to an existing Dread, they wouldn't have made a profit, you can only be fooling yourself.

Eric


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LunaHound wrote:So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, get over it.

I think what Eric is saying is , recent years GW have done wonderful jobs on plastic kits.
And it shouldnt be hard to make a model thats better than the re-released Bjorn ( even if its metal )
So its a shame that we dont get something new and awesome?

And what i think: I think GW just have too many left over and dont want to melt them down...

MajorTom11 wrote:2 dreadnoughts???

LOL

Standard
IronClad
Venerable
Furioso

You forgot the AoBR one. But yeah, anyone complaining that we need more of the damn things is crazy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.

This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?".

My guess is that GW wanted to do something similar to the B-17's top turret. Unfortunately, it looks abominable on the Stormraven. Personally I'm wondering how a more classic turret on the belly would look.

I did indeed forget the AOBR dread... so 5 plastic dread kits, 4 or 5 metals, and then 15 or so FW? I think we've got it covered. Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol


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MagickalMemories wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:

bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.

With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.

Man, just accept that GW wasn't in the mood to spend 10.000 $ on a new dreadnought mould when instead they could just rerelease the old model to see if anybody still wants to buy it.

Since when does accepting something equate to liking it?
Also, if you think for a moment that, had GW made a SW Dread/Bjorn sprue to add on to an existing Dread, they wouldn't have made a profit, you can only be fooling yourself.

Eric


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LunaHound wrote:So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, get over it.

I think what Eric is saying is , recent years GW have done wonderful jobs on plastic kits.
And it shouldnt be hard to make a model thats better than the re-released Bjorn ( even if its metal )
So its a shame that we dont get something new and awesome?

And what i think: I think GW just have too many left over and dont want to melt them down...

MagickalMemories wrote:Someone gets it.

Smart girl, there.

Eric
(though I doubt the "melt[ing] down" part is accurate)

MM et all, probably best to leave it be now boys, points have been made, and frankly, both sides are ok from their point of view if you ask me. Plastic would most definitely be better, but on the other hand if you want to buy a metal one, good on ya. Frankly building the metal one would be a valuable lesson in rage suppression and a character building experience. Continuing this argument will be fruitless except for possibly making your testicles ache with frustration, and that's never a good thing , no matter the cause. Right?

Agree to disagree, and please, by all means remind me of this post next time I derail a thread arguing with someone who feels like telling me what I think LOL

Peace n love my nerd brothers!

MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol

Maybe next time they 'fix' our Codex we'll get one.

*does amusing but awkward interpretive dance to distract HBMC from thinking about chaos codex. I am horrible yet mesmerizing in my inability to express my inner giraffe*

H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.

Especially as, when the plastic Mark II Land Raider was released, they said they wanted a distinct look for the turret/sponsons, as if they're automatically controlled in order to distance themselves from Imperial Guard.

Then they do this...

Guess Space Marines are reaping the rewards from Jes going to work on the Dark Eldar.

Guess Space Marines are reaping the rewards from Jes going to work on the Dark Eldar.

Not all of the artists at GW are at the level of Jes Goodwin in artistic talent, but they don't work in a vacuum. Their designs get run by a committee of people above them, like Art Director John Blanche and I suspect that Jes Goodwin's opinion is also sought out for any major design before it is finalized and approved. So love it or hate it, one can hardly blame a single person for it. There's not some lone sculptor working in a room for years on this or any other model. And the mold cutting experts also review every design and request changes as needed to ensure it's practical to produce which also has an effect on the final design of any model.

MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol

*twitch*

Destrado wrote:Especially as, when the plastic Mark II Land Raider was released, they said they wanted a distinct look for the turret/sponsons, as if they're automatically controlled in order to distance themselves from Imperial Guard.

i think you're actually talking about the mark III (the current style) with the remote turrets. the mk I is the old rogue trader version while the II and IIB have the blocky imperial guard-ish sponsons (and are epic and fw models only, not normal GW releases).

Well either way, he's right. The various guns have been made with a certain aesthetic. Compare the Chibi-Hawk's turret to the Razorback Turret, Whirly Turret, Predator Sponsons and Land Raider Sponsons.

Notice the difference?

BrassScorpion wrote:Not all of the artists at GW are at the level of Jes Goodwin in artistic talent, but they don't work in a vacuum. Their designs get run by a committee of people above them, like Art Director John Blanche and I suspect that Jes Goodwin's opinion is also sought out for any major design before it is finalized and approved. So love it or hate it, one can hardly blame a single person for it. There's not some lone sculptor working in a room for years on this or any other model. And the mold cutting experts also review every design and request changes as needed to ensure it's practical to produce which also has an effect on the final design of any model.

I don't doubt this, but I think that his design notes from the Land Raider/Rhino were badly transported to this particular piece. If you compare both the Rhino and the Land Raider, they share similarities - I'm not saying that the Storm Raven should be a flying Rhino, but I think most people (here) would be a bit happier if it were. I just think that they let the ball down on this one.

Although I'll be the first to admit I should've put /sarcasm on what I said, as I don't think Jes Goodwin should or could be involved in every GW project.

EDIT : A cookie for warboss, I was indeed talking about the Mk. III, as the Mk. II was used by Jes in explaining the difference in sponson. Thanks

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well either way, he's right. The various guns have been made with a certain aesthetic. Compare the Chibi-Hawk's turret to the Razorback Turret, Whirly Turret, Predator Sponsons and Land Raider Sponsons.

Notice the difference?

It's a servitor-powered turret, therefore it's awesome. Might have to replace it with a Psycannon one, depending on the options the Grey Knight version will get.

Actually, looking at the sprues, the turret and intake behind it are seperate from the fuselage, so it'd be easy to leave them off and put some platicard over the hole and relocate the weapons elsewhere. I think it would do wonders as with the turret it does seem to be too tall.

I still say the thing looks like a plucked chicken from the rear.

Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

Still, looks good from behind, should be easy enough to convert now knowing that the top intake can be left off with a minimal amount of conversion.

BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

That's how:

boreas wrote:

BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

That's how:

............

You destroyed my last bit of innocence.

Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:



The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.

boreas wrote:

BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

That's how:

I'm going to gouge the other eye out now, first a naked Danny Devito clawing his way through a backseat naked, now this donkey-cave..

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol

Maybe next time they 'fix' our Codex we'll get one.

Hope so, I really do.

I'll just leave this here and be on my way...

Gods above...the GW Australian Mail Order mark-up is an absolute RIPOFF!

I just noticed the price for the Storm Raven by Ozzie mail-order...AU$110.00 - not including postage...

From Maelstrom...GBP 36.90, which works out at todays exchange rate to...AU$59.20...and includes postage.

Gee, I wonder where I'l be buying the kit from...

On a side note, will be buying one...but definitely will be lengthening that fuselage, try to make it a little more TH-like...

Padre^.

Guys - NO MORE TALK ABOUT BJORN AND METAL DREADNOUGHTS IN THIS THREAD!

Enough is enough!

Go make a new thread about that subject, if you really have to!

Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool:

Flying Boxcar, C119


A-10 Thunderbolt II, "Warthog"

Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:

*image*

The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.

You wouldn't be the first person to think that, nor the first to be wrong about it.

As for the paint scheme, I think it looks much better than all-red. Must be the alclad (sp?)-looking paintjob, makes it look more like an actual ship.

bhsman wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:

*image*

The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.

You wouldn't be the first person to think that, nor the first to be wrong about it.

As for the paint scheme, I think it looks much better than all-red. Must be the alclad (sp?)-looking paintjob, makes it look more like an actual ship.

Well, to be fair, I didn't think an American would be called British Home Stores man, but it would've been nice!

I prefer the red one, the red/white markings on the Grey Knight SR look really bad and the top/turret area just looks wrong.

I do believe however, that the model could look really good with the crap taken off the top (namely the turret/air vent/maybe rear tail too), so I hope to see someones conversion of it as such!