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t-hawk wrote:I just received my Thunderhawk from FW today. I had only one part that was messed up and needs to be replaced. Almost the entire kit was straight without any warping. Overall, I'm very impressed with the quality. I'm wondering if they recently made a new mold....

Reported as troll account.

"t-hawk" commenting on his FW Thunderhawk

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Joined today.

Yeh... either a FW employee or someone attempting to be smart.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I've had this logon name for over 5 years on other forums before deciding to finally buy a Thunderhawk. I'd suggest you switch to decaf and remember it's a hobby....

Back on target, the summer of fliers would be great and I'm looking forward to getting flyers integrated into the game. If my usual luck holds, now that I did purchase a FW Thunderhawk, it means the plastic one is sure to be released later this year. Had I waited another 5 years, it would have continued to be the most discussed 40k rumor.

TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?

If they have a release full of 100,- Euro models I'm inclined to think they would not sell enough of them to make back their investment, to be honest. They have only released two (three if you count the two Guard tanks as separate) such kits yet, and not at the same time. I don't think it would be a wise economic decision to release three or more of these things at the same time. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them, they could produce one kit and just chuck in a couple of chaos behicle sprues to sell it as a "Chaos Thunderhawk".. not ideal by any means but i can see them doing it.

Afterall, it works for tanks.

I agree. I'd buy a plastic one for both my BA and CSM armies. I'd do it now, but I can't afford another $600+ model.

I would easily buy a 200$ plastic thunderhawk. It isn't just the price which is detering with FW, resin is also not exactly awesome to work with, and as others have said, the casting quality is very uneven. My krieg commissar is an awesome cast, while my BA termie shoulder pads were pretty bad casts

Note that I didn't say it is impossible there will be a Thunderhawk, but the people expecting one will more than likely be disappointed (and blame GW on the internetz).

And if we do get one, and no big expensive flyers for several other (xenos) armies, then the Marine-hater posse will rage (and blame GW on the internetz).

I'm pretty that whatever happens, GW will get the blame.

Even if they do make a platic t-hawk, and it comes with free chapter sepcific doors and a free titan, there'll be something not quite right and the interweb will blame GW.

Praxiss wrote:I'm pretty that whatever happens, GW will get the blame.

Even if they do make a platic t-hawk, and it comes with free chapter sepcific doors and a free titan, there'll be something not quite right and the interweb will blame GW.

If it doesn't come with Ork Glyphs, I will probably complain some...

Gentlemen, this is Dakka Dakka, where someone, somewhere always finds something to bitch about.

Imagine the nerdrage we'll get if a Thunderhawk does indeed come out, and it's almost an exact (but bigger) copy of the Stormraven

Applying reverse logic, the Chibi-hawk is for the most part a scaled down Big Bird.

TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?

Most flyers discussed are smaller than a Valkyrie, only the (not so likely in the near future) Thunderhawk is bigger.
There are several independent sources who have seen flyers, but only one source speaks of the "Wartornj Skies" WD supplement.

Kanluwen wrote:Thunderhawk, as it stands, is the "best option" for the Astartes factions. Everyone, even Chaos, can use them.

When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights

Kroothawk wrote:

TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?

Most flyers discussed are smaller than a Valkyrie, only the (not so likely in the near future) Thunderhawk is bigger.
There are several independent sources who have seen flyers, but only one source speaks of the "Wartorn Skies" WD supplement.

Kanluwen wrote:Thunderhawk, as it stands, is the "best option" for the Astartes factions. Everyone, even Chaos, can use them.

When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights

Thunderhawk isn't a "dropship". It's a gunship.

Now, if it was a Thunderhawk Transporter--then yes, it'd look stupid. But the Thunderhawk? Nah.

But if everyone's getting fighters(which doesn't look entirely like it's the case, considering the Harridan is in there--and it's far closer to being a "dropship" than the Thunderhawk is--along with its suitability at attacking and destroying ground targets)--then it'll likely be the Marines getting the Land Speeder Tempest or something entirely pulled out of their collective bums.


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And for that matter:
The Eldar & Tyranid flyers that have been mentioned are bigger than Valkyries. The Harridans that we saw in IA4 picked up and dropped Valkyries to destroy them.

Kroothawk wrote:
When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights

Not to mention that in BFG, Thunderhawks are able to stand up to enemy fighters and interceptos pretty damn well.

I own the Eldar and Tau fighters and they are about the same size as a Valkyrie. The Tyranids will get a Harpy that is rumoured to be Valkyrie sized and having the Valkyrie base. Noone said that Tyranids will get a Harridan ("gargantuan") in the near future which is considerably larger than a Harpy ("monstrous").

Perhaps I posted about inexpensive model cases convenient for larger models just at the right time:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/355056.page

Wallyworld also sells a Sterilite footlocker that is great for storing minis and vehicles. It even has wheels and a padlock mount for Con use. GW trays also fit three wide inside - enough space for an entire weekend of gaming!

Praxiss wrote:The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them.

Actually Chaos has never formally been allowed to have a Thunderhawk, Chaos players who want one have just taken the "Hey Chaos, take Imperial tanks you like and use them too" note in there and ran with it. Of course there is nothing restricting Chaos from using any vehicle as Apocalypse allows you to use any blend of models you would like, but Chaos has never been formally given the Thunderhawk.

SonicPara wrote:

Praxiss wrote:The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them.

Actually Chaos has never formally been allowed to have a Thunderhawk, Chaos players who want one have just taken the "Hey Chaos, take Imperial tanks you like and use them too" note in there and ran with it. Of course there is nothing restricting Chaos from using any vehicle as Apocalypse allows you to use any blend of models you would like, but Chaos has never been formally given the Thunderhawk.

well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't

Who needs a platsic Thunderhawk, or even resin?

Got the ancient metal block floating about somewhere still in its crate.

Alphacerberus wrote:well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't

Exactly, any "Chaos Thunderhawk" that surfaces is just a Chaos player taking anything imperial that they want and using the rules for it because that vague little note says they can with Imperial tanks. It is the same thing as when you see Chaos players playing Apocalypse games with Land Speeders. There are no Chaos rules for them, they are just playing SM alongside their CSM but dressing everything up the same.

SonicPara wrote:

Alphacerberus wrote:well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't

Exactly, any "Chaos Thunderhawk" that surfaces is just a Chaos player taking anything imperial that they want and using the rules for it because that vague little note says they can with Imperial tanks. It is the same thing as when you see Chaos players playing Apocalypse games with Land Speeders. There are no Chaos rules for them, they are just playing SM alongside their CSM but dressing everything up the same.

Actually, no it's not.

The background has had the Legions operating Thunderhawks that they've stolen/looted from the Loyalists for quite a while now.
Why?
It's a simple frame to work from. The Thunderhawk is brutally utilitarian, much like the Rhino and Land Raider chassis are. The "Stormbird" that the original Legions would have had was as much a piece of art as it was a functioning craft.

In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.

From a game perspective you are correct in that Chaos has never had rules for a thunder hawk or even a standard drop pod that can't take off after landing.

AdeptArtificer wrote:In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.

Just a good example of "Fluff is fluid" there.
The Thunderhawk in other (older pieces of fluff) came about after the heresy and replaced the much larger Stormbird.

alphaomega wrote:

AdeptArtificer wrote:In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.

Just a good example of "Fluff is fluid" there.
The Thunderhawk in other (older pieces of fluff) came about after the heresy and replaced the much larger Stormbird.

Point it out for me then, because the fluff I've got shows AdeptArtificer to be right.

Why? Because as early as "Horus Rising", we've been seeing the Thunderhawk present and how it's gradually replacing the Stormbird.

Prior to that, there's no mention whatsoever of the Thunderhawk being a "replacement" for anything.

3rd ed codex has something about it I am sure.

Where my copy has vanished I am not too sure :/

But I believe it was in the part discussing the fleet organisation, as a fluff style report.


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Also no mention in BFG, Previous Chaos Codex, 3rd or 4th Edition Rule book about Chaos Marines having Thunderhawks. That was first done in Horus Rising, but in none of the other Fluff. Or book series.

They mention drop ships and the like, but never mention the Thunderhawk.

Flyers would be amazing, although it would probably have to be apoc only, otherwise things get stupid, and I think it will be difficult to impliment them, the rules will be hard to write, dogfights ect. and suddenly when you have this sort of thing battlefields seem far too small.

Teh flyer rules in apoc are pretty straighforward. Move a min of 36". When shooting at it you measure to the base and add 12" to take into account the height. And non-pintle or AA mounted weapons can only hit on a 6.

The harpy needs something to make it more survivable in standard games. Autocannons wound on a 2+ and ignore it's save, railguns and conversion beamers (and deffrollas,haha) insta-kill it. Its gun, which is only good for suppression at best, isn't reliable (even with being twin-linked). I haven't yet found a good niche for the flying beast, which sucks because I have two really cool looking ones I modeled from trygon kits with balrog wings and some other resin bits.

This will be really cool or very bad. I hope it's good, because air support for my guys is just what I need. Because it would look cool.

Kilkrazy wrote:If true, the Summer of Fliers is going to be more like a Summer of Damp Squibs.

It's Damp Squids.