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Deadshot wrote:People say they are easy to paint but they are far more detailed and difficult to paint than any other marines.

Spray Chaos Black
Spray metallic paint
Wash in badab black.
Drybrush gold on the lettering.
Paint any skulls 'n' that gold.
Books 'n' purity seals in dark flesh.
Tone up the purity seals with desert yellow/bleached bone mixes
????
PROFIT!

Not how I paint them, but after Necrons they are definitely the easiest army to paint quickly. Vanilla marines arguably require less technical skill, mind, not sure on that one..

Sure, if you want them to look like you put barely any effort into them.


I base coat them black, heavy drybrush boltgun metal, and pick out the detals. Its more time consuming and looks better.

I spent a full day on each of 8 paladins. 5 days from 5-7:30 everyday after school for a week on another. The Bro Banner took 3 days and Draigo was fully painted in a week. They are very hard to paint WELL. And so one who wants to paint non metallic metal will have a time of it.

Deadshot wrote:People say they are easy to paint but they are far more detailed and difficult to paint than any other marines.

Black Templars or, Emperor forbid, White Scars, would like a word with you.

Well you an put any amount of time into any miniature to make it blow anyone away with its resplendent glory. When I judge how 'easy' a model is to paint, I think about basic tabletop quality. The method I described would get you relatively reasonable looking GKs.

I started grey knights soley on how the models looked and
had no clue how powerful they were. Not until i came on here
and saw everyone whining

they are actually kind of difficult to paint depending on how much
time you want to put in.

Short answer :

was around when Codex : Daemon Hunters was released, fell in love with the army.

left 40k for some time before I could start collecting them.

2011, comeback ; see new book, new models, do want.

Honestly, the reputation of the army put me off at first, I don't like playing in easy mode. As my understanding of the book and the meta progressed, however, I came to think that there was more than enough room to make decent lists without falling in cheese material. Having actual Fast Attack choices and a wide variety of HQ is a welcome improvement.

Nevertheless, I must say it does feel more and more like the 'dex sold its soul in its transformation to "Codex : Silver Power Rangers" (and that it was done with the full intent of appealing to bandwagoners). I actually agree with the statement that a Codex Inquisition would have been richer. I still wouldn't (and won't) field anything but Grey Knights and Puritan Inquisitors, but that's just my take on the army.

To conclude, a note on competitiveness... I don't like spamming. As far as I'm concerned, there are no characters named Crowe or Coteaz in this book.
But you know that guy who's bringing literally dozens of chassis on the board ? He's the reason I won't lose sleep over fielding 3 psyflemen. Mechhammer 40,000 deserved every one of those S8 psybolts.
And this other, who can't breathe because he's too busy yelling the four letters "GK OP" like it's going out of fashion ? I'm really, really tempted to go with the "your tears are delicious" attitude just for him. I've never been able to take anybody who can say "X is overpowered" with a straight face seriously.

Yes, this might sound defensive. Guess it can't be helped, with passive-agressive posturing like the OP's.

Imma say its all band wagon, space wolves came out, every one played em, blood angels came out every one played them, necrons came out every one has them. remember tryanids? did you see ebay afterwards? Grey knights are codex creep, after the necron power lists come out people will play them. If sisters of battle come out, people will play them. its band wagon. Remember IG? you couldn't throw a stone and not hit a leaf blower list at any ard boyz. Don't worry about it. play what you want and forget about every one whining.

For me it was two reasons.

1. I love metallics and the clean crisp shininess of the GK's, "No weathering or chipping please, we're from Titan"

2. You get the Inquisitors et al and all the fun that goes along with making up stuff and kitbashing the characters

I airbrush/crush 4 different "silvers" on my minis from a basecoat of Chainmail, "shading" of Boltgun, first higlight Mithril and extreme highlight of Tamiya Chrome. In natural light they sparkle, they don't photograph well tho.
I use the ol' Badab Black for the line work and Chaos black in the arm and leg joints.
Calthan brown with a snakebite highlight on the leather bits with a splash of Devlan.
Purity seals and the like are snakebite leather then a bleached bone top coat.
Blood Red on the pauldrons and weapons with a blazing orange highlight.
The writing is done by filling the lettered areas with Badab then once dry a light brush of Vallejo Old Gold.
Eyes are Badab wash, then Necron Abyss, then Ice Blue then a dot of white.
I've never been able to make the Asuermen Blue wash they talk about work so I don't bother.
I do all the writing and eyes on the helmetless guys with a Maybelline Hypersharp Ultra Fine Eye Liner.
Finish off with a Tamiya Spray Coat of Flat
???????

Collect Profit !

Was playing a for fun blood angels list and asked my wife to pick a new army =) she looked at the sister's but I told her it just wasn't feasible at the moment.
Told her to go through the whole GW product line and pick our army and she picked grey knights so I ended up reading some of the omnibus and loving it so overall I love the grey knights and I love how it only takes 10 guys to do what other marines may not be able to =D

Nearly finished painting my GKs (will upload at some point) but I do fear that, despite being my newest paint jobs, they are the 'worst' in my 40k collection.

I literally just paint them boltgun metal, wash with badab black, give the flat surfaces a sheen from more boltgun and then just DOLLOP asurmen blue all over them. All the gold motifs, purity seals, etc. are painted dark flesh and layered up from there in my usual manner.

But, due to my inexperience with washes, there are splodges, colour inconsistencies and all sorts... I think the models look pretty enough and I've been complimented at my club (They look grey but not boring!) but I do fear that, were any seasoned painter to look at them they might dismiss me as an amateur :(


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Then again, I don't think I have ever painted a model past tabletop standards. Still, only have 2 years under my belt I suppose... Definitely most proud of my work on my Eldar.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Deadshot wrote:People say they are easy to paint but they are far more detailed and difficult to paint than any other marines.

Black Templars or, Emperor forbid, White Scars, would like a word with you.

Good lord - THIS - is the correct answer. White Scars would be a nightmare.

People say GK are easy to paint - because they are very easy to get to a tabletop (or above) standard. Like any model though you can always put more into it and get better results.

Imperial Fists are the hardest to paint. This is a scientifically demonstrable fact.

Yes, Yellow is the worst color to attempt to paint.

I still haven't found a yellow paint that doesn't require more effort then its worth to get it to where it doesn't look like

I try a coat of Sunburst over Ilyanden Darksun with a Golden Yellow Layering and a highlight if Sunburst.

Dark Flesh, Vomit Brown, then go from there with your other yellows... fairly easy, no?

White is a pain in the butt though.

Some people like the fluff behind Grey Knights, some people like the aesthetic of the models, most of the people are band-wagoining because they are cheese!

I want to collect them simply because I like the idea of small squads of elite soldiers. I was going to get space marines before these guys came out.

I'm also pretty tired of Tau as of now. We can shoot with mediocre skill, and pretty much don't have much else. I want something that is good in everything (GK) But costs lots of points.

I also simply don't have the money to get any other army right now. GK are (relatively) cheap, so I can actually afford to get them.

My desire for them has absolutely nothing to do with bandwagon. If anything, that is off-putting for me, as I like to feel that my army is somewhat unique.

I think the fact that Ward & co took the Inquisitors, Assassins and other cool stuff from other Imperial armies and lumped them all into GK is a factor, too. The Inquisitors and Assassins are (imho, ymmv, etc) some of the coolest units in the Imperium. Now, if you want to play them, you have to go GK (afaik? Not read the current Sisters codex).

Edit: As someone who's painting an entire Nid force yellow, I can attest to it being a PITA to get right. I find orange harder for some reason, though.

As a Squat player, the henchmen list suited them a lot more than just a guard list. It was an obvious choice with the amount of heavy and special weapons I could field, and dreadknights are just so F***ing cool!

Squat Kid wrote:As a Squat player, the henchmen list suited them a lot more than just a guard list. It was an obvious choice with the amount of heavy and special weapons I could field, and dreadknights are just so F***ing cool!

My understanding was that the Inquisition tend to roll with whoever they can call to heel when a problem arises. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of fluff for them joining IG/SM/SoB/GK/etc, so I'd say they fit the fluff for any of the Imperial armies. I couldn't say on mechanics, as I've yet to encounter a GK army on the table.

Well I have to say, reading these posts make me almost regret choosing GK as my very first army, almost. NOTE: I have only been in this hobby for 3weeks.

Time to throw my dog into this ring. I have read the descriptions of all the armies and their play styles. I considered it all and I still came to GK. I love the fluff, the models, and the play styles.

I know most think that they are cheesy because they are over powered and cheap to buy, in a sense. But when you think of it, by making GKs OP and hence the army to buy if you want to win, they have created a demand. It is a fantastic marketing scheme and I am sure the next new codex to come out will do the same thing. Force players, that don't already have that army, to buy models and paints. That is of course if you want the "Best Army".

As I said, I am enjoying the GK and I don't think I will change armies even if they nerf the hell out of it.

Hey, Grey Knights might be Cheese, but at least they're Fluffy Cheese (unlike Blood Angels pred-spam, or Space Wolves Longfangs.) They're Marines how Marines are meant to be. Granted, they could be more expensive, but still.

Faedother wrote:Well I have to say, reading these posts make me almost regret choosing GK as my very first army, almost. NOTE: I have only been in this hobby for 3weeks.

Time to throw my dog into this ring. I have read the descriptions of all the armies and their play styles. I considered it all and I still came to GK. I love the fluff, the models, and the play styles.

I know most think that they are cheesy because they are over powered and cheap to buy, in a sense. But when you think of it, by making GKs OP and hence the army to buy if you want to win, they have created a demand. It is a fantastic marketing scheme and I am sure the next new codex to come out will do the same thing. Force players, that don't already have that army, to buy models and paints. That is of course if you want the "Best Army".

As I said, I am enjoying the GK and I don't think I will change armies even if they nerf the hell out of it.

If you're enjoying playing them, then that's all that should matter, and you shouldn't let other people's grudge get in the way of you playing the army you want.

I agree with you on the power rise; it's been steadily happening for a while, and does look to be a deliberate marketing ploy (plus Matt Ward being.. Well, Matt Ward). That said, in terms of £/$/etc, Grey Knights tend to be among the cheapest of armies (small units, plastic models). So perhaps not.

Winterkit wrote:

Faedother wrote:Well I have to say, reading these posts make me almost regret choosing GK as my very first army, almost. NOTE: I have only been in this hobby for 3weeks.

Time to throw my dog into this ring. I have read the descriptions of all the armies and their play styles. I considered it all and I still came to GK. I love the fluff, the models, and the play styles.

I know most think that they are cheesy because they are over powered and cheap to buy, in a sense. But when you think of it, by making GKs OP and hence the army to buy if you want to win, they have created a demand. It is a fantastic marketing scheme and I am sure the next new codex to come out will do the same thing. Force players, that don't already have that army, to buy models and paints. That is of course if you want the "Best Army".

As I said, I am enjoying the GK and I don't think I will change armies even if they nerf the hell out of it.

If you're enjoying playing them, then that's all that should matter, and you shouldn't let other people's grudge get in the way of you playing the army you want.

I agree with you on the power rise; it's been steadily happening for a while, and does look to be a deliberate marketing ploy (plus Matt Ward being.. Well, Matt Ward). That said, in terms of £/$/etc, Grey Knights tend to be among the cheapest of armies (small units, plastic models). So perhaps not.

That is my point, it does not matter how much whining people do. Us GK players will continue to play GKs.

I have no sympathy for people who complain about playing too many of X, Y, and/or Z. At least you actually get to play a game.

Taken from another forum:

Grey knights are the clitoris army....every C!!! has one

ChocolateGork wrote:Taken from another forum:

Grey knights are the clitoris army....every C!!! has one

I have no idea what that even means as English isn't my first language but I'll assume it means something foul?

In any case, I'll just go ahead and put down a link to some sort of haters gonna hate image with a marine strutting as a counter *just imagine I linked it*

That quote is pretty hilarious =D

GKs being popular is a no brainer. Space marines are popular. Now look at GKs again. They're SMs with awesome rules, ridiculously awesome plastic kits, and the most ass-kickinest background Ward could twist the old background into. And if you do actually read the Omnibus and old codex you just find them to be even cooler.

But if you want to know why there are so many GKs at tourneys, you can ignore everything I just said except the awesome rules. Bottom line is they wouldn't be so abundant if they sucked.

Winterkit wrote:I think the fact that Ward & co took the Inquisitors, Assassins and other cool stuff from other Imperial armies and lumped them all into GK is a factor, too. The Inquisitors and Assassins are (imho, ymmv, etc) some of the coolest units in the Imperium. Now, if you want to play them, you have to go GK (afaik? Not read the current Sisters codex).

Since the units you listed were already in the Daemonhunters Codex, "Ward & C" didn't take the Inquisitors, Assassins and "other cool stuff", rendering your argument invalid.