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Is it just me, or is Danny really creepy and controlling? It seems to be becoming a soap with a domestic abuse sub-plot. I think he is supposed to be heroic and loving, but to me he seems to be controling, jealous and a horrid person.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Actually a very strong episode. The good mix of funny, emotional and serious worked well, there was some great acting by all the cast and it was very well written on the whole. Bit rushed at the end to fit in the plot arc bit, but I can line with that.
I think this episode also showcased the dynamic between Capaldi and Coleman very well, which is, in my opinion, much better and more interesting than her and Smith.
Danny is also more interesting now, and seems to bounce off the Doctor quite well.
Steve steveson wrote: Is it just me, or is Danny really creepy and controlling? It seems to be becoming a soap with a domestic abuse sub-plot. I think he is supposed to be heroic and loving, but to me he seems to be controling, jealous and a horrid person.
Nope, kinda the opposite. The sense that I'm getting is that he's really worried about that being what The Doctor is.
Steve steveson wrote: Is it just me, or is Danny really creepy and controlling? It seems to be becoming a soap with a domestic abuse sub-plot. I think he is supposed to be heroic and loving, but to me he seems to be controling, jealous and a horrid person.
Nope, kinda the opposite. The sense that I'm getting is that he's really worried about that being what The Doctor is.
Good point. I think he's there from an external perspective to contrast to the Doctor as Clara/we have come to see him, in much the same way as Rory was at the start. He shows the Doctor up as dangerous, aloof and alien (both figuratively and literally) when, through Clara, we've come to see him as safe, trustworthy and familiar.
Clara is able to stand toe to toe with The Doctor. The whole bit in the tardis where he was telling her to leave and she refused. Danny however is getting stroppy about her not telling him everything then threatening to leave her if she dosn't tell him everything, along with the whole "I'll protect you" bit at the end was very creepy. Clara and The Doctor have a relationship at times that is argumentative and strained, but one of equals. Danny seems to be upset at her having a life appart from him.
He seems to be expecting far to much from what is a new relationship. Rory was different in that he was far less aggressive about it, more supportive and was a relationship that existed prior to the Doctor/Amy relationship (excluding the meeting when she was very young).
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Steve steveson wrote: Clara is able to stand toe to toe with The Doctor. The whole bit in the tardis where he was telling her to leave and she refused. Danny however is getting stroppy about her not telling her everything then threatening to leave her if she dosn't tell him everything, along with the whole "I'll protect you" bit at the end was very creepy.
I'm not sure why you see it as creepy that he feels the need to be concerned about the woman he loves now that he knows she's frequently in mortal danger. I'd say that's a fairly normal reaction, and trying to keep her safe really isn't being controlling.
Clara and The Doctor have a relationship at times that is argumentative and strained, but one of equals. Danny seems to be upset at her having a life appart from him.
The Doctor is just as guilty of this. The sole reason he's angry with Danny is because he feels he's potentially not good enough for Clara, and I imagine he's judging that by the parameters that he himself is good enough, when his past is just as chequered as Danny's. The Doctor is lonely, his companion is the one thing that stops that, and if she goes off with someone else (not necessarily romantically) then he has no one.
How Danny sees Clara's time travelling is just how the Doctor sees her relationship with Danny.
Did anyone else catch the disruptive girl running with Clara in spacesuits in the next episode? It was quick, but I thought it might be her with her hair back.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was talking to my wife about Classic who companions. It'd be pretty cool if we went back to the three or four from like the Baker years.
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To be honest I was hoping for more alien death machine action but clearly the robot was just a plot device to allow the overall story arc to be advanced.
I am not getting, though, how now people who die violently while Doctor Who is within a couple of miles radius are transported into "Heaven" -- the policeman I mean.
pretre wrote: Did anyone else catch the disruptive girl running with Clara in spacesuits in the next episode? It was quick, but I thought it might be her with her hair back.
Yeah, she's in next one. No idea if she becomes a regular or not.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was talking to my wife about Classic who companions. It'd be pretty cool if we went back to the three or four from like the Baker years.
Personally, I'd hate this. The 3-companion Davison era I really didn't like as it was just too overcrowded (that and Tegan annoys the out of me!)
There's talk of Clara going at Christmas, but Danny's actor whose name escapes me mentioned he love to come back next year. That would be interesting, to see the 'primary companion' killed off/written out and have the Doctor and secondary companion pick up the pieces. They kind of did that in The Girl Who Waited, and it led to a very interesting dynamic.
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I think I disagreed with most of that. I agree about the companion not needing to be part of a plot arc to work (Clara has been so much better since the Impossible Girl arc, and his ctry and do something for christmasr and Sladen was something I'd almost noticed but not quite), but I don't think there was any need to 'soldier through' the excellent Ecclestone era, such as it was.
Like always, everything this series has been better second time around (hell, I now quite like Sherwood taken for what it is) and it's getting better, The Caretaker was great (I foresee Danny adding a lot to the dynamic) and Kill the Moon will supposedly herald major change in direction, which will be interesting to say the least.
Looks like it might be a Water of Mars redux, but that's no bad thing!
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Heh. It showed up on my RSS feed and I read it and started getting annoyed. It didn't help that I couldn't remember who the heck was writing it until I clicked the link.
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Paradigm wrote: but I don't think there was any need to 'soldier through' the excellent Ecclestone era, such as it was.
IMHO, that's exactly how I have to get through the Ecclestone episodes. BUT!!!! It isn't because of Ecclestone as the Doctor that I "have" to trudge through the episodes.. Nope, his Companion throughout that time was what caused my dislike, difficulty in watching his run of episodes.
Seriously. That is how bad I think Rose is, as a character (and she only gets worse once we're into Tennant's time)
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The writing and acting was great this week, especially with the astronaut character. Having a small cast like that really did work.
I thought the Spiders were a bit of a red herring and quite underused; the idea of an adapting bacteria that happens to look like a freaking massive spider is a great one that was, unfortunately, something of a throwaway concept this week. I suppose that is the trend these days, though, to sideline the villain in favour of plot/character.
I had almost feared it would be a Waters of Mars remake, but it ended up being a very good reversal of it. 'Grey Areas' vs 'fixed moments', the Doctor leaving and removing himself rather than taking charge.
The ending dragged on a bit, but sets up some interesing stuff. This could well be the beginning of the end for Clara (didn't notice her the Next Time trailer (which looked great))
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Good performances all round and some nice ideas but there were too many plot holes. Bacteria that look and behave like spiders? The moon developing mass rapidly out of nothing. A bottle of bleach that pops out of nowhere.
Clara's melt-down at the end just felt wrong somehow.
out of me!)
I agree about the companion not needing to be part of a plot arc to work (Clara has been so much better since the Impossible Girl arc, and his ctry and do something for christmasr and Sladen was something I'd almost noticed but not quite), but I don't think there was any need to 'soldier through' the excellent Ecclestone era, such as it was.
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