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2016/04/29 06:01:45
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
One thing I will say, and this isn't giving anything away, is that this film is 100% not Avengers 2.5. Everyone bar Thor and Hulk may be in this film, but this movie is a Captain America film through and though. I was worried it would be a Cap film in name only, but it's not. It is the sequel to The Winter Soldier.
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As someone who actually likes Agents of Shield, where's the tie-in point with Civil War again? IE do I have to force myself to endure the cinema before I can watch any more of the show, or is the break later between 19 and 20 or 20 and 21?
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2016/04/29 13:46:58
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Yodhrin wrote: As someone who actually likes Agents of Shield, where's the tie-in point with Civil War again? IE do I have to force myself to endure the cinema before I can watch any more of the show, or is the break later between 19 and 20 or 20 and 21?
Well there's no tie in during the film, because the films never reference the TV show. There may be a reference in next week's AoS, or the week after, but I can't imagine it'll be much. I mean, the references between the show and Age of Ultron were pretty slim, so don't expect anything more than that.
It's more a case of Ike Permutter used to be in charge of everything Marvel, and he butted heads with Feige because Feige wants to make good movies and Permutter is the biggest penny-pinching a-hole in Hollywood.
Then Disney broke Marvel Studios off from Marvel proper, freeing Feige from Perlmutter. Marvel TV on the other hand remains under Permutter.
Yodhrin wrote: As someone who actually likes Agents of Shield, where's the tie-in point with Civil War again? IE do I have to force myself to endure the cinema before I can watch any more of the show, or is the break later between 19 and 20 or 20 and 21?
Well there's no tie in during the film, because the films never reference the TV show. There may be a reference in next week's AoS, or the week after, but I can't imagine it'll be much. I mean, the references between the show and Age of Ultron were pretty slim, so don't expect anything more than that.
And the reference with the previous Captain America was "HYDRA are part of SHIELD", which would have slightly affected my enjoyment of the film had I not gone to see it first
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2016/04/30 23:27:34
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's more a case of Ike Permutter used to be in charge of everything Marvel, and he butted heads with Feige because Feige wants to make good movies and Permutter is the biggest penny-pinching a-hole in Hollywood.
Then Disney broke Marvel Studios off from Marvel proper, freeing Feige from Perlmutter. Marvel TV on the other hand remains under Permutter.
Wait, but...Daredevil and Jessica Jones are amazing. How is that possible??
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2016/05/01 01:24:04
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Netflix has a lot of autonomy, I imagine. I heard a theory from someone working in the film business that, for example, Daredevil season 2 for example legitimately used all the user data that Netflix has gathered to basically mathematically account for every plot point and beat for each episode.
2016/05/01 02:22:28
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Well that was really quite something... I was apprehensive going in, I thought it might be the samey filling in an awesome BvS/Apocalypse sandwich, and there was a lot that could go wrong...
None of it did! The Russos once again prove they can make a damn good movie, they handle a larger ensemble cast even better than Whedon did in Avengers Assemble, and keep the whole thing exceptionally tight. The fight choreography and visual direction was stunning, the writing was perfect and it somehow managed to be both the best Cap movie and the best Avengers movie...
Spidey was probably my biggest fear going in, and yet we get maaaaybe the best Spider-man yet... I need to see more of Tom Holland as Parker, but as Spidey he just nailed every line. Likewise, Boseman as Panther I thought might be somewhat superfluous, but he turned out to be a great addition, I'm a lot more keen on his solo movie now. Zemo was handled well, going forward I definitely want to see more of him... it's possible, unlike Strucker and the Red Skull who were ultimately a bit wasted.
Main cast were great as always, maybe RDJ's best Stark since the first time, great to see Ross back and I was glad Vision and Scarlet Witch got some more screen time after their less developed parts in AoU.
Yeah, I really can't fault it. There were a couple of things I'd like to have seen that didn't happen, but that's preference rather than criticism. Basically, go and see it, people!
2016/05/01 14:11:01
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
I really enjoyed it. Torn on where to place it in the MCU order, its in my top three, just not sure if its two or one. Winter Soldier had its pacing near on perfect.
Also I had a couple of minor niggles with it from a comic fan point of view, nothing serious, MCU has portrayed all its heroes very well, but villains have been hit and miss in my mind.
Loved Spidey and T'Challa though, cannot wait to see their individual films.
Overall would recommend it to anyone, if you are a comic fan, you need to go see it asap.
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2016/05/01 16:13:11
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
So, I saw it today and well, yeah, it was an enjoyable enough, well made film.
I'll try to say some more non-spoiler-ey ness. The main characters overall were good, Black Panther really good, Spiderman, good (like him more than Andrew Garfield, kinda reminds me of a younger Tobey McGuire Spidey in some ways.). And I'm pretty sure I'm developing a film crush on Elizabeth Olsen...
The filmmakers really did nail their goal of, "Make it so that both sides have a good point."
But, hmm, well. I didn't enjoy it that much. Not enough to rave about it anyhow. I don't plan on paying to go to the cinema to see it a second time, for example. I also wouldn't buy the dvd, though I'll probably watch it again when it comes out on Sky Movies. But yeah, there's a profound lack of excitement I'm feeling relating to it.
But...
Spoiler:
Wow, did it feel tame. "Safe" would be another word I used for it. Seriously, it really did feel to me a bit less of a "Civil War" and more of a "Civil Squabble." The only real 'casualty' was the result of a friendly fire incident.
The fights kinda seemed to feel like they had a lack of, I dunno, crunchiness? When Scarlet Witch commented that Hawkeye was, "pulling his punches" - I couldn't help but think, "yeah, pretty much everyone is."
And the result of it all? Cap fights to keep Bucky in a confined location in Wakanda than in a confined location in a prison cell. Bleh.
Oh yeah and one other thing. The trailers pretty much super spoiled the whole film. "Hey, how come Cap, Bucky and Iron Man haven't had that 3-way fight yet? Oh, well, I guess they're going to have yet another fight and fall out yet again at the end of the game then."
Though that seems pretty harsh, it's probably more, well, meant to be blunt. I didn't dislike the film and I'm pretty darn certain that very few people will dislike it either. That doesn't mean that it particularly thrilled or excited me, though.
2016/05/02 04:17:13
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Well that sure was fun. Definitely a Captain America film but the ensemble was handled really well. There were quips, as it's a Marvel film, but only when appropriate.
Scott Lang fanboying over Cap was hilarious.
To be honest, you know what's going to happen in a Marvel films these days just going in. The beats are all pretty similar. Hopefully some phase 3 films can break that just to be different, but I don't mind at all.
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2016/05/02 08:44:43
Subject: Re:Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Entertaining enough though, no faults with the cast, acting etc etc .
Spoiler:
When did Cap learn/know about Stark's parents ?
One assumes this happened off screen at some point -- deleted scene maybe ?
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2016/05/02 10:10:59
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
I've read the plot for it, as I always do almost...and I still plan on seeing it Thursday night, but I'm not overly impressed with the concept or the lack of casualties. Civil Squabble sounds about right.
Spoiler:
At least in BvS Batman went out with no holds barred and was inches away from ending Superman. For all of that film's flaws there was at least a decent superhero fight.
Super excited for the new enthusiastic teenage Spiderman and I'm hoping he'll be the best one yet. Still wish Glover would get a shot at the role however.
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2016/05/03 16:56:35
Subject: Re:Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
Bought my tickets for Friday, pretty damn stoked. I know Marvel gets a lot of gak for going over the top and playing it safe with characters, but most of their movies have been pretty damn entertaining and I expect this will be the same. Based on the trailers, I'm already digging it.
Out of all of them, Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier, and Avengers 1 are probably my top three favorites.
I saw this on Sunday. Really, really good film. A few thoughts, some spoilers in tags:
The film has a stately pace. It moves at a measured speed from event to event, giving it an almost documentary-style feel of, not realism, but... gravity. That doesn't mean that it is a slow film, but it definitely doesn't move as fast as say Ant Man.
The jokes are frigging hilarious, even as they are relatively rare in the film.
The action sequences are bananas, and they all make the different characters appear interesting, varied, and dangerous. There is a real weight to the different heroes in the combats, and that makes for some very brutal exchanges.
The film focuses quite a lot on what we might call 'the consequences of superheroes'.
Despite having a truly immense cast list, the film never feels like it skimps on any one character's screen time. Even characters such as the Vision, who have a relatively minor part in the story, get enough time to have a touch of development.
Spiderman and Black Panther, the new comers, are both great. Really looking forward to seeing more of these guys.
The ending is very good: I'm desperate to see where the MCU goes from here.
A spoiler thought about the ending:
Spoiler:
My favourite part about the film, in many ways, is the fact that it doesn't fully resolve the storyline: at the end of the film, we have two distinct sides, ideologically split, and the definite impression given is that both sides are confident and firm in their choices. Team Iron Man remains as the public and state-sanctioned team, with Team Cap becoming this underground group (bad news for Antman/Hawkeye's children). I think that the choice to leave this open - to not have the split resolved in the space of one film - is really bold, and means that we will be dealing with the consequences of this film for a long time. I mean, Ant Man & The Wasp must surely touch upon this, and explain how his status as a fugitive hero impacts on him, as well as his membership in the 'secret Avengers'. It certainly makes for a really thought-provoking climax, and helps to add to the overall gravity of the film.
The inevitable Batman Versus Superman spoiler thought:
Spoiler:
This film, despite having a similar idea, is really not that similar a film to BvS, I thought. The tone is different, the feel is different, the plot elements are different. Nevertheless, the comparison is an interesting one to draw! I really did like BvS, but I also think that it had these huge, immense problems - the pacing, the editing, Lex - and it was interesting to me that as I walked out of the two films my thoughts were so different. As I walked out of BvS, I thought about how oddly uneven it was, and how my love of certain elements was united with my dislike of other elements; as I walked out of Civil War, I thought about how impressive it was, how weighty it had seemed. Between the two, I would say that Civil War is definitely the superior film, and that claims of 'Marvel films are just joke-filled fluff films, not like grimdark serious DC films' are especially flimsy in this comparison. However, I think that both do very interesting things, and that we should be thankful for getting them in the same year! I'm also looking forward to getting to see BvS and its 15 hour director's cut, which might hopefully make this comparison even more interesting.
2016/05/05 08:16:39
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
You're right. It is very different to BvS. For one thing, it's coherent. For another, the motivations for characters actually make sense and/or exist. And they don't fight a Cave Troll at the end.
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Mostly mirroring all the comments above. My small complaints would be;
Spoiler:
how little Vision seems to do in the big fight. Like he's shown to be INCREDIBLY powerful, but he only acts a few times, and no one really comes at him/touches him during it.
Was also mildly annoyed at Panther's hypocrisy. "These heroes need to sign this big accord and be kept in check with someone to watch over them and holy crap that terrorist just killed my dad I'm going to put on a costume and go vigilante and murder him and don't you try to stop me".
2016/05/05 14:58:02
Subject: Captain America: Civil War new trailer page 7
AduroT wrote: Mostly mirroring all the comments above. My small complaints would be;
Spoiler:
how little Vision seems to do in the big fight. Like he's shown to be INCREDIBLY powerful, but he only acts a few times, and no one really comes at him/touches him during it.
That is kind of the point, I think.
Spoiler:
Stark calls in Vision on the assumption that him showing up will force Cap's team into surrender just by being there, because he could potentially shut them all down in an instant if he didn't pull his punches, but to actually let him do that would be exceptionally hypocritical. If I recall, the only things Vision does in that fight are knock down Giant Man and friendly fire on Rhodey while trying to take down Falcon, because if he had actually cut lose Stark would basically have won the fight but lost the argument completely.
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