Reaper 2017 thread

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**Taarnak**

NTRabbit wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
After they deadset stole money from AU backers by charging air mail prices and then sticking our pledges on a boat, and then announced Bones 4 before the boat had even reached the country, I'm sticking Reaper in the shady and deceitful company category with Mierce.

Not as bad as Mierce, but, you know. Not good, either.

Lots of my goodwill burnt there. Not that they give a feth about us.

I've asked in the KS comments, I've asked on facebook, I've asked in email, they flat out refuse to respond. No goodwill left at all for a company that wants to behave this badly.

I admit I haven't followed closely since i went in minimally for this one. Did they charge "air mail prices" or charge for Air Mail? It's a pretty significant difference, as one implies a certain amount of intentional deceit.

~Eric

**ced1106**

After everything I've read about shipping charges, it's almost never intentional, but it's even more frequently almost never accurate, either. Sometimes included in shipping charges are handling and picking fees, customs fees, VAT, taxes, and sometimes the creator can bypass costs that a customer could not. Shipping costs, unexpected fees, and other unexpected price increases happen, yet the creator, for obvious reasons, doesn't go back to the backers and say, "Hey, can we have more money for shipping?" I don't see what Reaper has to gain with intentionally deceiving customers, when the amount of money is, I think, much less than their "non-deceiving" income streams.

So, IMO, In the end, I think it's just better to find out how much backers in your area paid for shipping for last year's KS, as well as how well -- or poorly -- they estimated shipping during the campaign. Part of the reason why I didn't back CMON's GH KS was that CMON charges more for shipping than other KS to my area.

If you (that is, an international backer) do find a KS that you like and charges low shipping, by all means, back it. Particularly, these KS tend to be domestic, and backing domestic KS encourages domestic growth of the gaming hobby.

**Sining**

For Asia Pacific, instead of just shipping from China, which would have been the much cheaper option and one that CMON uses, they instead decided to ship all the way down to Australia and then mail it back up to Asia Pacific again. Cause somehow, to Reaper THAT IS BETTER. I mean, yeah if you're just charging customers for it sure -_-

Customers don't necessarily like having to pay for a more expensive option when other suppliers have a cheaper option on the table.

**NTRabbit**

Taarnak wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
After they deadset stole money from AU backers by charging air mail prices and then sticking our pledges on a boat, and then announced Bones 4 before the boat had even reached the country, I'm sticking Reaper in the shady and deceitful company category with Mierce.

Not as bad as Mierce, but, you know. Not good, either.

Lots of my goodwill burnt there. Not that they give a feth about us.

I've asked in the KS comments, I've asked on facebook, I've asked in email, they flat out refuse to respond. No goodwill left at all for a company that wants to behave this badly.

I admit I haven't followed closely since i went in minimally for this one. Did they charge "air mail prices" or charge for Air Mail? It's a pretty significant difference, as one implies a certain amount of intentional deceit.

~Eric

For Bones 2 (I didn't back Bones 1), it was shipped to us via air mail. For Bones 3, we were charged the same amount (plus inflation) to get our Bones shipped to us, and they were sent via sea mail. So you're right, they didn't outright state they were coming via air mail again, but that doesn't absolve the of the deceitful behaviour.

**TheAuldGrump**

Theophony wrote:
He even has the extra knuckle on his other hand . Maybe he has the ability to shoot 4 arrows at once.

That's part of the spear, not an extra knuckle.

The Auld Grump

**Sining**

NTRabbit wrote:
Taarnak wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
After they deadset stole money from AU backers by charging air mail prices and then sticking our pledges on a boat, and then announced Bones 4 before the boat had even reached the country, I'm sticking Reaper in the shady and deceitful company category with Mierce.

Not as bad as Mierce, but, you know. Not good, either.

Lots of my goodwill burnt there. Not that they give a feth about us.

I've asked in the KS comments, I've asked on facebook, I've asked in email, they flat out refuse to respond. No goodwill left at all for a company that wants to behave this badly.

I admit I haven't followed closely since i went in minimally for this one. Did they charge "air mail prices" or charge for Air Mail? It's a pretty significant difference, as one implies a certain amount of intentional deceit.

~Eric

For Bones 2 (I didn't back Bones 1), it was shipped to us via air mail. For Bones 3, we were charged the same amount (plus inflation) to get our Bones shipped to us, and they were sent via sea mail. So you're right, they didn't outright state they were coming via air mail again, but that doesn't absolve the of the deceitful behaviour.

Going back to look at my pledge, I was charged 90+ USD for shipping for Bones 3, which went to Australia and then was shipped to me using Auspost. Meanwhile, I paid 50 bucks for my Massive Darkness pledge from CMON, which was 2x the size and more than 2x the weight but shipped from China directly using an expedited service. Guess I won't be backing bones 4 at this rate.

**DarkStarSabre**

Elbows wrote:
Welcome to why I have yet to get in on any of the Bones Kickstarters. I don't like the material much for small figures (it's great on larger beasties) but the spastic "Hey do you like dragons? Here's some Chibi mice figures, oh and some science fiction monitors!" approach...doesn't generate any interest in me.

Don't you hate on the Mouslings.

I straight up bought the Mouslings from Bones 3 cause one day I'm going to show up to my local RP group, throw them down and say....

New Campaign Bishes. You all mice. Deal with it.

**Azazelx**

Sining wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:

For Bones 2 (I didn't back Bones 1), it was shipped to us via air mail. For Bones 3, we were charged the same amount (plus inflation) to get our Bones shipped to us, and they were sent via sea mail. So you're right, they didn't outright state they were coming via air mail again, but that doesn't absolve the of the deceitful behaviour.

Going back to look at my pledge, I was charged 90+ USD for shipping for Bones 3, which went to Australia and then was shipped to me using Auspost. Meanwhile, I paid 50 bucks for my Massive Darkness pledge from CMON, which was 2x the size and more than 2x the weight but shipped from China directly using an expedited service. Guess I won't be backing bones 4 at this rate.

I can say much the same for my Bones and MD pledges, both of which came from Aetherworks via Auspost. As NTRabbit has said, the shipping charges for B3 were pretty much the same as for B2, which was sent directly from the US.

Let's face it though. We RoW backers aren't important enough for Reaper to much care. Their bread and butter is the US customer, and we're probably considered more trouble for less work. They'll still happily take our money of course, but expecting them to care on a personal or business-wide level about an unfavourable reaction to them making a nice saving for themselves isn;'t going to happen. Should they need to justify it to themselves, it'd no doubt be seen as a quid pro quo for the shipping on Bones 1 (whether you or I personally backed that campaign or not).

**ced1106**

Sining wrote:
Going back to look at my pledge, I was charged 90+ USD for shipping for Bones 3, which went to Australia and then was shipped to me using Auspost. Meanwhile, I paid 50 bucks for my Massive Darkness pledge from CMON, which was 2x the size and more than 2x the weight but shipped from China directly using an expedited service. Guess I won't be backing bones 4 at this rate.

Might be the last time CMON has a direct shipment from China... Did your copy have these problems with the cards? : https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1820435/massive-qa-fail

**lord_blackfang**

Wow yea I wouldn't be buying Bones at ROW rates.

I paid about $35 shipping for a modest pledge (about $130 worth of dragons and ogres) and it seemed on the high end at the time, it's average cost today. The UK shipping hub unexpectedly saved me $45 in customs fees tho, so I think EU worked out swell this time.

**ced1106**

Missing pallete for the UK. Looks like part of the confusion happened because the contents were arranged in wave order, rather than by item.

Bryan Stiltz 4 days ago
Alright, posting this message using my personal account instead of the official one, because we are currently experiencing a bug that is preventing our main account form posting comments. (we are getting an error message that only backers can post comments).
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This is an update to a some of our European Zone backers who haven't received their rewards yet.
A pallet of product shipped in our container to our UK Warehouse has gone missing after entry inspections. Not wanting to wait for the missing pallet to turn up, we’ve already shipped a pallet of replacement product out to our UK Warehouse.
Unfortunately, a handful of orders are still waiting on this pallet to arrive at our warehouse in Nottingham UK. Once the pallet arrives, our UK team will be able to fill and ship these last remaining orders.
We don't have a timeline as to when these last rewards will ship yet, as the pallet is in transit. Thank you for your patience and we apologize for this inconvenience.
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that's the official verbage they wanted me to use. I wanted to clarify that as supplies ran out, our UK facility became confused, because the packing list showed there was clearly enough materials. but sure enough, when he got to very nearly the end, there were about 400 units across 6 part numbers that were just not there. Our paperwork suggests that this was one of the 19 pallets we sent to them (the pallets were mixed, trying to organize things to resemble a rough "wave order" for ease of fulfilment there). This took us a few days to figure out exactly what happened, and why he was experiencing shortages.
We're trying to track down the missing pallet. But we're not just sitting back and waiting and hoping to find it. We had a crew come in overnight to assemble a replacement pallet and we're expediting shipping of the missing materials. I want to assure everyone involved that we are working extra hours to resolve this as fast as we can. At this point it seems like if something can go wrong, it has, but we will do everything we can to make it right.

Reaper Miniatures 5-time creator 3 days ago
Reminder to Europe/Africa Zone and Pacific Zone backers - if you have a problem n your rewards (missing or damaged part, etc.) refer to the June 8 Update with information on what information we need in your contact email to us, in order for us to help you quickly,
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-3-the-search-for-mr-bones/posts/1907218

Also, this might help AUS reduce KS shipping costs for KS projects in general:

Clinton Macgowan Superbacker 2 days ago
@Chris Earl - I don't hold much hope for a refund on shipping. I am usually a torch bearer in the mob that goes for exploitative shipping for Aussies but it's passed and paid. I more hope that they just improve their rates on Bones 4 if there are going to stay with container shipping.
If not, I will be using a re-shipper called ShopMate which is run by AustPost. I have used it for Dwarven Forge who are even worse at ripping off Aussies and on the last KS, I saved over $100AU in shipping. And it was air-freighted.

**Sining**

ced1106 wrote:
Sining wrote:
Going back to look at my pledge, I was charged 90+ USD for shipping for Bones 3, which went to Australia and then was shipped to me using Auspost. Meanwhile, I paid 50 bucks for my Massive Darkness pledge from CMON, which was 2x the size and more than 2x the weight but shipped from China directly using an expedited service. Guess I won't be backing bones 4 at this rate.

Might be the last time CMON has a direct shipment from China... Did your copy have these problems with the cards? : https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1820435/massive-qa-fail

I really doubt it. I'm not sure if anyone else remembers but they had a similar error back during zombicide s2 where they forgot to print the XP lvls for the character sheets. They 'resolved' that by releasing digital character sheets and telling everyone to go print it themselves. And very obviously, they're not going to ship everything over to QA it. It would be cheaper to just fly over and QA it

But in all honesty, this seems more like an issue of copy fail and no one noticing that the green didn't stand out.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow yea I wouldn't be buying Bones at ROW rates.

I paid about $35 shipping for a modest pledge (about $130 worth of dragons and ogres) and it seemed on the high end at the time, it's average cost today. The UK shipping hub unexpectedly saved me $45 in customs fees tho, so I think EU worked out swell this time.

I didn't get that much. 2 graveyards, 1 tiamat, 1 stoneskull expansion and it came up to 90 bucks usd shipping. From China.

Also, frankly, disappointed with some of the models which are MUCH smaller than I expected from the art they used. 301 in stoneskull looks big, but it really isn't.
I am at the very least, fairly happy with graveyard expansion though

**Kid_Kyoto**

As today is Bones Eve, let's take further discussion of Bones 4 to this thread

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/734379.page#9521765

And keep this thread focused on retail releases.

**NTRabbit**

Sining wrote:
Also, frankly, disappointed with some of the models which are MUCH smaller than I expected from the art they used. 301 in stoneskull looks big, but it really isn't.
I am at the very least, fairly happy with graveyard expansion though

I don't mind the size of 301, but I do mind that it came fused with an integral base that wasn't in the concept art, which has kind of nixed my original plans for it, because it's not the sort of base you can remove or trim away like some other bones

And yes, I have a ShopMate I've never used, so I'll try that in future

**Nostromodamus**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
As today is Bones Eve, let's take further discussion of Bones 4 to this thread

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/734379.page#9521765

And keep this thread focused on retail releases.

Bones starts Tuesday August 1st, so today isn't the Eve...

**Kid_Kyoto**

Advent then

**Kid_Kyoto**

Well here we are August 1, a day we've all been waiting for and finally the big announcement!

MOAR

METAL!

Oh and something about a kickstarter but there's another thread for that.

Comouse and Rat Sonya are those rare figure I never knew I needed but once I saw them...

Geishrew and Moleja aren't quite as essential but maybe as gifts for Mrs Kyoto.

Beratzerker and Valkyrat are just the things round out anyone's Norodent collection.

And finally we have Sorcerhamster and ConjurIgiveuptryingtomakerodentrelatednames to finish off your Mouseling party.

At this stage I have to wonder why Reaper hasn't published or at least licenced a Mouse-themed RPG or Mini game. Seems like leaving money on the table.

Also on the list of "I never knew I needed that"

Dwarf jester berzerker. Dwarf. Jester. Berzerker. Three great tastes that... Wow. I could write a fantasy trilogy just on this figure.

Not sure who needs a female dwarf priestess or why, but if you do this is a nice one.

Finally two figures tagged as 'Day of the Dead' cavalier and duchess, and they're both fine middle-of-the-road fantasy figures suitable for PCs or NPCs. I can see myself getting the duchess easy.

It's good to know that even on today of all days, the eve of Bones 4 (or day of depending on your time zone) Reaper still squarely stands on the side of the one true casting medium...

METAL!

**mdauben**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Not sure who needs a female dwarf priestess or why, but if you do this is a nice one.

Lovely! I'll be buying this for sure. Now I just need a female Halfling assassin.

**Theophony**

Dwarf jester berserker

. Was he just an unemployed dwarf who answered the opening for kings jester and was hired (only applicant). He then tried to make the king happy only to fail miserably and be ridiculed by everyone in the court. He snapped and began beating everyone with his puppets. Once his rage subsided he was all alone and began searching the worl for the best knock knock jokes.

**tommse**

mdauben wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Not sure who needs a female dwarf priestess or why, but if you do this is a nice one.

Lovely! I'll be buying this for sure. Now I just need a female Halfling assassin.

Wizkids got a new line of bones like minis called Dungeons & Dragons Nolzur’s Marvelous Miniatures. They even come preprinted.

**Bossk_Hogg**

What is wrong with that dwarf jester? Either that is a stunningly bad photo, or a terrible sculpt, far below Reaper's standards. Is he naked? Missing a foot? He looks blobby as all get out.

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tommse wrote:
mdauben wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Not sure who needs a female dwarf priestess or why, but if you do this is a nice one.

Lovely! I'll be buying this for sure. Now I just need a female Halfling assassin.

Wizkids got a new line of bones like minis called Dungeons & Dragons Nolzur’s Marvelous Miniatures. They even come preprinted.

Pre-primed, not pre-painted. We actually use the second one for my wife's D&D character, as dual wielding female halfling rogues are impossible to find for some reason. They're much better than bones for human sized figures IMO.

**mdauben**

tommse wrote:

Wizkids got a new line of bones like minis called Dungeons & Dragons Nolzur’s Marvelous Miniatures. They even come preprinted.

You say that last part like is a good thing. I hate preprinted miniatures. Aside from the fact that I like to paint, most of them have

paint jobs.

Thanks for the head up, though. I was hoping for something a little more sinister looking but that is a cool looking figure.

**tommse**

I´ve got a typo there. They are primed white, not prepainted. That makes them actually quite nice and they are just 4,50 a pop.

**Bossk_Hogg**

Oops, already clarified

Carry on!

**Kid_Kyoto**

Ak! What with all the excitement what with Baba Yaga's hut and all that I almost missed these fine examples of the One True Casting Medium

METAL

First off some middle of the road knights by Bobby Jackson. A bit on stocky/thick side but overall good looking figures.

Their leader is called a Justifier, "Yes, you're right we're commandeering all your crops, burning your fields and leaving you defenseless and starving, but you have to understand the goblins hoard is coming and we're acting proactively. If we didn't do this the goblins would come and steal your crops, loot your fields and you'd be just as bad off plus they would have more food for their army. So really we're doing this for your own good. Plus you now have more time to flee to the hills and no incentive to make some doomed effort at stopping the horde. So really you're making out ahead."

JUSTIFIED!

And speaking of the goblin horde, a shaman suitable for activities at night, or just your next march in Charlottesville.

I once had a character killed by Vegepygmies, to this day I can't eat salad.

Middle of the road sort of wizard, not sure if I'd paint him white or grey.

So there we go, I think most of these are coming in bones 4 in 2019 but if you want them now you can get them. Reaper's dedication to covering every monster in the Monster Manual (IPR be damned!) continues to impress me. I mean Vegepygmies? Seriously? Wow.

**NinthMusketeer**

+100 Exalts for the Charlottesville joke!

**ced1106**

Found some discount Reaper metal at the OLGS/FLGS (Game Kastle's new online store, formerly FRPGames) : https://www.gamekastle.com/online/index.php?skip=2700&m=list&t=specials&sort=name

(Also, some Bonesyvanians : https://www.gamekastle.com/online/index.php?skip=3180&m=list&t=specials&sort=name

**Kid_Kyoto**

October mini is up

**BobtheInquisitor**

Is her wrist thicker than her thigh?

**Kid_Kyoto**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is her wrist thicker than her thigh?

I don't think it's fair to body shame her, Elven issues with anorexia and bulimia are well known.

Personally I blame mages using glamors and polymorphs for creating unrealisitic body standards.